Notable Omissions From the 40-Man Roster
I'm behind my fellow Tigers bloggers on posting something about the 40-man roster that the team officially released yesterday. Fortunately, a few of you took it on yourselves to discuss in the comments of yesterday's last post. (Thank you for that.) As it turns out, however, being slow may have worked out, since more information has since been released and one player's status needed to be clarified.
Presumably, the big news was the five players the Tigers added to the roster: Starting pitchers Guillermo Moscoso and Alfredo Figaro, reliever Zach Simons, and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells.
Those additions put 38 players on the roster, which leaves some wiggle room for any transactions or signings to be made in the next few weeks.
Of course, the natural impulse is to focus more on the snubs, the players left off the roster and thus eligible to be taken by another team in next month's Rule 5 draft. I thought Will Rhymes was a surprising omission, given how well he played last season (.307/.363/.392 average) and his participation in the Arizona Fall League. But since pitching often seems to be at a premium in the Rule 5 draft, perhaps Detroit thinks a small infielder with not much power will slide through without being claimed.
That's why the Tigersosphere was up in arms when Luis Marte wasn't listed on the 40-man roster. Starting pitchers who throw 78 strikeouts in 103 innings (along with 22 Ks in 17 1/3 innings in winter ball) aren't in abundance throughout the Tigers' organization. After further review, however, Detroit didn't need to protect Marte. He isn't eligible for the Rule 5 because he was 18 years old before signing with the Tigers.
But the one omission that's raising the most eyebrows in the Tigersosphere is catcher James Skelton. Skelton is perhaps the most intriguing Tigers prospect, not just because of the dearth of catchers in the minor league system, but due to a small body type (5'11", 165 lbs.) not normally associated with that position.
Perhaps his physical measurements are the reason Detroit left him unprotected, thinking the other teams in baseball would look at Skelton's height and weight and write him off. But Skelton has shown a gift for throwing out basestealers (28 of 73) and getting on base (.416 OBP in five minor league seasons), two skills that should be coveted. He also bats left-handed, which makes him a possible platoon partner with Dusty Ryan, if the Tigers felt they could go young at that position next season.
Leaving Skelton unprotected is a decision the Tigers could end up sorely regretting if he's drafted by another major league team and ends up as their starting catcher down the line. For an organization in need of young catching talent, it's a curious, almost baffling maneuver.
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Just a little calm
I really think we’re making too much of Skelton being left off the 40-man. At this point there is absolutely no indication that his plate discipline will translate in the bigs if major league pitchers know that he can’t go deep. The highest level of pitcher he’s seen is AA and that was only 85 ABs. Since a Rule 5 drafter would have to put him on their 25 man roster for the entire season, it would be a huge gamble to take him. A contending team probably wouldn’t take that chance at all and there are very few teams that have space on their 40-man AND fewer than 3 catchers already on it. With 3 spots open and two sub-par catchers the Padres are a possibility, but they’re going to want to leave space open for a Peavy trade which might bring in at least 4 players.
by MacRae on Nov 21, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
However...
Jay Sborz (who, unlike Skelton, was actually listed as a top-10 prospect at one point) might be this year’s Randor Bierd.
by MacRae on Nov 21, 2008 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - I forgot to mention him
48 Ks in 53 1/3 innings and a 2.87 ERA in Single-A this season.
by Ian Casselberry on Nov 21, 2008 1:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Skelton
Leaving him off makes no sense to me. None.
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by spotstarters on Nov 21, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
What team is going to take him?
Here, I actually did research on every team for how many spots they have and how many catchers they’re already carrying (teams not noted are full):
Angels: 4 spots, 3 catchers
Astros: 6 spots, 2 catchers
A’s: 1 spot, 3 catchers
Braves: 3 spots, 2 catchers
Brewers 6 spots, 4 catchers
Cardinals: 3 spots, 2 catchers
Cubs: 4 spots, 3 catchers
DBacks: 1 spot, 3 catchers
Dodgers: 1 spot, 4 catchers
Giants: 7 spots, 3 catchers
Indians: 6 spots, 3 catchers
MarinersL 3 spots, 4 catchers
Mets 7 spots, 3 catchers
Nationals 1 spot, 3 catchers
Padres: 3 spots, 2 catchers
Phillies: 4 spots, 5 catchers
Rangers: 2 spots, 4 catchers
Rays: 1 spot, 3 catchers
Red Sox: 3 spots, 4 catchers
Reds: 3 spots, 3 catchers
Twins 1 spots, 5 catchers
White Sox 3 spots, 2 catchers
Maybe if we start talking about the logistics of which team would take him and what they’d do with him we can open this up to some rational conclusions.
by MacRae on Nov 21, 2008 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
likely, yes
I tend to agree with you, that noone is going to look at him twice, since he’s only topped out at AA, and barely that.
Logistics? I believe the Reds carried those same 3 catchers on their 25 man all this last year, and all of them were kinda terrible.
The Giants are doing better than anyone on slots, and aren’t good, so they might be willing to grab him.
Side Note: Why are the Twins carrying 5? Are the counting Mauer twice?
by cherub_daemon on Nov 21, 2008 8:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In Skelton's case, I agree with the Tigers' logic
How many teams can afford to keep a 3rd string catcher on their MLB roster for an entire season? Let alone one who is quite small for the position.
This is an educated gamble the Tigers should win.
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by BigAl on Nov 21, 2008 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
omitting Skelton
The Tigers have until December 11th to add names like Skelton and Rhymes to the 40-man roster. But should they not, another Tigers catching prospect Alex Avila is right below Skelton on the 2008 catcher prospect chart — and climbing fast.. I suspect Dombrowski feels Alex has more upside — also entails more durability with his larger frame.
Very few teams could afford to add Skelton to their entire season 25-man roster in 2009 — so we all suspect he will remain unscathed during the Rule 5 Draft. I believe Rhymes will be added days prior to the draft. Tigers roster changes will occur in coming weeks. A trade or two is coming — some feel it’s inevitable — in order to keep the prospect ladder of progression on the right path. .
by DamusFucious777 on Nov 21, 2008 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That’s incorrect. Yesterday was the deadline and that’s why all this Rule 5 talk has arisen. The players who appear to be exposed now are exposed. Will Rhymes is one of them, and he probably was left off because when Hollimon comes back from the DL Rhymes isn’t even likely to start in Toledo.
I’d also be surprised if the Tigers viewed Rhymes as being ahead of Sizemore or Hollimon in their second base depth chart.
by mattintoledo on Nov 21, 2008 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Tigersphere
Tigersosphere is a bit much to pronounce. So for those of us who think words “outloud” in our head while we read, we would appreciate the term tigersphere instead.
by Boettcher on Nov 22, 2008 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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