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Joyce/Skelton Salt in the Wound

  Which headline better captured the disbelief over what we're calling "Joyce-Gate": This one from Lookout Landing or Matt Wallace's zinger at Take 75 North?

  At Fangraphs, Dave Cameron scores "a huge win" for the Rays with the Matt Joyce trade.

  It's Just Sports thinks Edwin Jackson should be the Tigers closer for 2009.

  ESPN.com's Keith Law has astute scouting reports on both Jackson and Joyce.

  But maybe the best look at Jackson comes from Blake at The Spot Starters.  Two days later, this trade just continues to baffle.  What do the Tigers see that we seem to be missing?

  This is kind of after the fact now, but still worth a read.  Some people were fawning over a player like James Skelton being available in the Rule 5 draft.

  The Mets Minor League Blog had its eyes on Skelton, as well.

  The Arizona Republic's Nick Piecoro reports that the Diamondbacks think Skelton could stick as a third catcher.  He also has some scouting from the aforementioned Mr. Law.

  SB Nation's D-Backs blog, AZ Snakepit, has some of what the D-Backs fans think of picking up Skelton.

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I vote for Matt Wallace’s headline.

by mattintoledo on Dec 12, 2008 9:45 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Edwin

They see a 25 year old guy with solid stuff who has some upside and arguably pitched better than every Tiger starter last year except Galarraga. He isn’t a top of the rotation guy but we don’t have the money or the prospects to get someone like that. And quite honestly an average major league starter is about what a mid-level prospect with 116 MLB ABs is going to get. This opinion that we could have gotten more for Joyce is ridiculous. And looking at that potential Putz trade, we almost got less.

For months we’ve been complaining about the starting rotation which is probably a bigger hole than the bullpen. Few Tiger fans have any faith in Willis or Robertson and some of us aren’t sure that Miner is ready to log 190 IP. DD addressed that one very pressing need with this trade and maybe we should be so quick to dismiss it until these guys play next year. Keep in mind that Joyce turning into a stud RF isn’t a guarantee either, he hardly hit anything at all in the last two months of the season.

If you want to blame DD for something blame him for tying up $37 Million in Sheff, Inge, Robertson and Willis, a predicament that forces us to make moves like this (and for Laird) since we simply don’t have any money to throw at free agents. But at this moment the trade is completely warranted.

Quick sidenote. That Fangraphs review thinks this is a huge win for The Rays because of the improvements they are able to make in their starting rotation now that Jackson has moved on. This has nothing to do with The Tigers. The review basically admits that each player is worth around 3 wins. The Rays are the winners because they maintained 3 wins and are now able to add David Price. We added 3 wins to a rotation that had nothing to begine with.

I am a huge Joyce fan and I am disappointed that DD’s decision to dole out poor contracts to Willis and Sheff forced him to trade away more young prospects. But can we stop acting so flabbergasted that the trade happened? Our starting rotation was awful last year. This move at the very least makes it so we don’t have to depend on Willis to bounce back or Garcia to stay healthy. I vote that we stop complaining till the All Star Break.

by MacRae on Dec 12, 2008 10:17 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pitching always trumps hitting

Especially in the Tiger’s situation. Tigers will scores lots of runs. I am thrill they improved their D. Tigers need to sign Cruz and keep trading for a closer.

by Barry2 on Dec 12, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Would this have been better?

“One proposal involved the Tigers sending Matt Joyce to Tampa Bay and outfielders Wilkin Ramirez and Casper Wells to Seattle. Putz was the only player the Tigers would have received.” – Morosi

 http://www.freep.com/article/20081212/SPORTS02/812120397/1050/rss15

If this is really what Putz is worth, the Jackson trade was a smart move.

by MacRae on Dec 12, 2008 10:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That would've been insane

Who would the Tigers have to play the corner outfield spots in 2012 (let alone 2011)?

by Ian Casselberry on Dec 12, 2008 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

matt wallace’s headline was the best..but lookout landings article is completely hilarious , it was so funny I had to tell someone who sits next to me at work about it and he doesnt even like baseball….CONGRATS DETROIT your retarded lol

i think Matt Joyce is going to be a hell of a player, just like Cameron Maybin will, and Jair jurrgens….

by PBURGTIGER on Dec 12, 2008 11:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

That’s not really fair.

Joyce is probably going to be a good player, but he’s not Maybin-level talent. Plus, we got Miguel Flippin’ Cabrera in exchange for Maybin who was never going to be our CF anyway because of Granderson.

There’s no defending the Renteria trade however, Jair’s 4.66 2nd half ERA speaks to the durability concerns that plagued him as a Tiger prospect. Still, I’d rather have had him on the team last year.

by MacRae on Dec 12, 2008 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I glad DD did not trade for Putz

Well DD is a cheap skate which sometimes works in his favor. Good work DD on this one. DD is a good baseball man but lives in the past too much. I can buy Tigers new approach toward defense.

by Barry2 on Dec 12, 2008 12:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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