Game 16: Tigers (5-10) at Indians (5-10)
by Ian Casselberry on Apr 17, 2008 4:15 PM EDT
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Detroit Tigers at Cleveland Indians, Apr 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Justin Verlander (0-2, 6.52) vs. 
Fausto Carmona (1-1, 2.20)
It's a battle for fourth place in the AL Central tonight in Cleveland! Actually, it's much more exciting than just a tiebreaker, with the Detroit Tigers suddenly rising up the standings like a phoenix from the ashes.
After pounding the struggling C.C. Sabathia last night, the batting order that has become a buzzsaw tries to prolong Fausto Carmona's winless streak. Last time out against Oakland, Carmona walked eight batters in just 3 1/3 innings. (Even Dontrelle Willis is shaking his head at that.) That's two more walks than he's allowed in 37 2/3 innings against the Tigers over eight appearances. Carmona's record against Detroit is 3-2, with a 3.35 ERA and 34 strikeouts.
If you look at the numbers, it doesn't look like Justin Verlander pitched very well in his last start, either. But is that really fair, considering he'd only given up two hits in seven innings against the White Sox until he just didn't have anything left for the eighth? Regardless, Verlander hasn't exactly performed as an ace in his first three starts, and he might be losing something off his fastball. (Hat tip to The Detroit Tigers Weblog.) Jacobs Progressive Field hasn't been a safe place for him either, with a 1-4 record and 8.89 ERA on the Tribe's home turf.
Once again, I'm on the road, trekking along on the second stage of my trip down south to Charleston, SC, so the Game Thread is going up early. The BYB Brigade (growing in both numbers and passion by the day) has made it quite clear that the Tigers play better when I'm nowhere to be seen, so I'll do my best to maintain a voluntary exile during the game. Best to abide by the veteran wisdom of Crash Davis: Never #@$% with a winning streak.
Housekeeping:
A big thanks to Mike McClary for helping out with Game Recaps while I'm traveling down south for my sister's wedding. (I love the format he created, and wish I'd have come up with it myself.) Please check out his work at The Daily Fungo and listen to him on The Detroit Tigers Podcast, if you get a chance.
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Today's lineups
As no one is around yet…
Detroit Tigers
Clete Thomas LF
Ramon Santiago 2B
Gary Sheffield DH
Magglio Ordonez RF
Miguel Cabrera 3B
Carlos Guillen 1B
Edgar Renteria SS
Jacque Jones LF
Brandon Inge C
Cleveland Indians
Grady Sizemore, CF
Jamey Carroll, 2B
Travis Hafner, DH
Victor Martinez, C
Jhonny Peralta, SS
Ryan Garko, 1B
Franklin Gutierrez, RF
Jason Michaels, LF
Casey Blake, 3B
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lineups
Detroit
CF Thomas, Clete
2B Santiago, Ramon
DH Sheffield, Gary
RF Ordonez, Magglio
3B Cabrera, Miguel
1B Guillen, Carlos
SS Renteria, Edgar
LF Jones, Jacque
C Inge, Brandon
Cleveland
CF Sizemore, Grady
2B Carroll, Jamey
DH Hafner, Travis
C Martinez, Victor
SS Peralta, Jhonny
1B Garko, Ryan
RF Gutierrez, Franklin
LF Michaels, Jason
3B Blake, Casey
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dueling lineups!
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great start…IF single for Santiago and BB for Sheff.
by LosTigres on Apr 17, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Carmona has thrown 5 straight balls…Tribe announcers keep stating he had tons of troubles with walks in his last appearance.
by LosTigres on Apr 17, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ducks on the pond for Miggy…this would be a nice way to extend his mini hot-streak.
by LosTigres on Apr 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah
At least they made Carmona throw a lot of pitches
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Verlander
Not an auspicious beginning
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 7:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JV is doing his best D-Train impression tonight. This will be his 3rd walk of the evening.
by LosTigres on Apr 17, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gametracker says
There’s no fast to Verlander’s fastball. nothing over 93 MPH.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fastball
The Cleveland radio announcers agree with you.
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIGGGGG Doubleplay. Don’t want to get down early.
Go Tigers
by Tony K on Apr 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YES!
Way to turn 2, and dodge a BIG bullet…
Verlander isn’t himself. I hope he’s not trying to pitch thru something.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The bats are still hot
The Tigers have spent the last 2 days trying to knock that left field wall down! 2B for Inge! Why Renteria didn’t score, I have no idea.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
for those keeping score at home
Carmona took 45 pitches to make it through two innings. A good sign if Detroit can keep near that pace. Verlander is on the same pace, however with 22 pitches in one inning.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that, and
now Carmona didn’t make it past 93 mph.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is Verlander?
And who’s that dude with no control on the mound?
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Did we turn the clock back a few days?
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We may need the reverse jinx
and get Ian back in the thread!
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good call
IAN GET BACK HERE!!!!!
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
didn’t garko get hit by a pitch yesterday?
by ahtrap on Apr 17, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
never mind
just looked up the box score, it was Carroll, not grako
by ahtrap on Apr 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When even Rod Allen says Verlander isn't right...
I have to admit to being a tad concerned.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was uncomfortable to watch...
I’m was almost surprised when he threw a strike.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this whole game is uncomfortable to watch
two innings of baseball, 97 combined pitches.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his velocity was up to 95
but he’s thrown 28 balls to 24 strikes.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least
We know that the boys can hit. So an early 3-0 hole isn’t what it was a week ago.
by pfuhrmeister on Apr 17, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 pitch, 1 out?
Verlander’s back! What happened to his impostor?
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If this keeps up
I’m tuning to the NBC comedies! 30 Rock has to be more entertaining.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey, 5-1!
Miggy with another RBI.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lovely
The indians just hit for the cycle in that inning….so much for the winning streak
by ahtrap on Apr 17, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the minus man strikes again
nice 5 run inning for Miner….ERA of what, 45 on the night?
by ahtrap on Apr 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can Miner start looking for a place in Toledo now?
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You know...
This team is a lot more fun to watch when their winning
by spartyboy40 on Apr 17, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clete Thomas continues to hit
I hear there’s some sort of cult…
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
first I fell asleep
Then I woke up and FSN was frozen on 8-1 with Sheffield scowling. An appropriate screen freeze, as my feeling exactly.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't miss much...
Other than some awful Tigers pitching.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what's going on?
The gamecast thing just had Magglio up for two pitches, and then Raburn taking over….did he hurt himself up at the plate, or did they just not catch the switch before Raburn went up to bat?
by ahtrap on Apr 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a glitch
Rayburn was pinch hitting, Leyland emptying the bench.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can he take Grilli with him?
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breaking news...
Just found out Billfer’s appearing on WDFN 1130 again tomorrow, talking Tigers at 10:35AM.
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my FSN still isn't back
I think the cable box just got so pissed at the tigers it gave up.
It’s still not back.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You aren't missing a thing
You’d be better served to catch up on your sleep!
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by BigAl on Apr 17, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
catching up on my reading
and I don’t mean the tigers variety this time.
by Kurt Mensching on Apr 17, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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