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Game 4: White Sox (1-2) at Tigers (0-3)

Chicago White Sox at Detroit Tigers, Apr 4, 2008 1:05 PM EDT


Jose Contreras (0-0, 0.00) vs. Nate Robertson (0-0, 0.00)

Rob Neyer beat me to my idea of how I was going to lead off today's Game Thread when he called 2008 "The Year of the Catch Phrase."  Less than one week into the season (for everyone else besides the A's and Red Sox), it's hard to believe that anyone will coin something better than "And that happened."  The Tigers should learn these words, learn to love them, and live by them as they move past the first three games of this season. 

(A close second for the year's best catch phrase, by the year, and one that could contend for the title was coined by our dear friend/arch enemy, Samela: "Lamesauce.")

So maybe as you've slowly begun to accept that the Royals just might match up really well with the Tigers and "have their number" this year, here comes the team that has bullied Detroit around for the past couple of seasons.  Last year, the White Sox went 11-7 against the Tigers, and had a winning record at Comerica Park. 

Jose Contreras, however, didn't contribute to that dominance, going 0-2 and giving up 19 runs and 26 hits in 18 innings.  In his last start of 2007, he lasted just one inning against the Tigers,  who bombed him for seven runs and seven hits. 

How did Nate Robertson do against the White Sox?  Not bad, allowing seven runs in 13 innings for a 1-0 record and 3.46 ERA.

Gary Sheffield is indeed out of the lineup, due to his injured finger.  However, according to Danny Knobler, he is available to pinch-hit, if needed, and isn't expected to go on the disabled list.  Miguel Cabrera is back in, and will take Sheffield's DH spot in the batting order.  That means Brandon Inge will fill in once again at third base, and Clete Thomas will get the start in center field.

South Side Sox has your SB Nation opposing view for this weekend's series.

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Starting Lineups

CHI WHITE SOX

CF N. Swisher
SS O. Cabrera
DH J. Thome
1B P. Konerko
RF J. Dye
C A. Pierzynski
LF C. Quentin
3B J. Crede
2B J. Uribe

DETROIT

CF C. Thomas
2B P. Polanco
1B C. Guillen
RF M. Ordonez
DH M. Cabrera
SS E. Renteria
C I. Rodriguez
LF J. Jones
3B B. Inge

Not crazy about Clete leading off again today. Unless Leyland thinks one of his guys swinging a decent bat should be in a RBI spot, I don't know why he doesn't stick with Renteria.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Good first inning

Two strikeouts for Nate, keeping the bases clear when Thome came up.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Clete doesn't mess around

Each game he's played, he's gotten a hit the first time up.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions  

clete

Yeah, I'm a bit skeptical of Clete too, but as long as he keeps hitting, might as well leave him there.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Here to complain about Cabs batting 5th again

One more time...Leyland has his best hitter 5th in the lineup. Sheffield out of the lineup makes the decision that much easier. But I guess Guillen/Sheff hit 3rd last year and they'll hit 3rd again.

by silverstadium on Apr 4, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

A left-right-left thing?

It might also be that Guillen is swinging the best bat right now.

Though I agree with you; I'd like to see Cabrera in the #3 spot.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

huh

no blue mouthguard for Polly today

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I heart Contreras

the perfect cure to an anemic line-up

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Exactly what they need

Though even scoring a run there, it was on a weak swing by Maggs.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice pick by Guillen

Though he still plays first base like a shortstop.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

ya

carlos guillen, defensive wizard?

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

C'mon, man

Feel free to keep the ball in the park, fellas. Quentin's first home run of the year.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 1:35 PM EDT reply actions  

another K

Have all of Robertson's strikeouts come after falling behind 3-0?

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 1:37 PM EDT reply actions  

oh dear

Jacque "the new Craig Monroe" Jones

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Clete for MVP!

Jock has been somewhat less than impressive thus far.

by Grant E. on Apr 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

woohoo

Clete is no slack-jawed yokel

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

What've I missed

Been in class for the past hour, just gettin update on my phone, 5-2 Sox, how are we playing?

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Nate's been rough

Hey Rojo --

Didn't look good in that third inning.

But The Clete Thomas Experience is still going strong.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice nice, I gotta find a hi-res photo of his jersey for the facebook thing, our rookie rank is still Maybin haha.

We gotta win, this is killing me, you guys have no idea all the razzing I've been getting here at school. I'm quite a vocal Tigers fan, and well, its been biting me in the ass lately haha

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

at least

Contreras isn't throwing that well, either. We'll get more runs.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I love Ozzie Guillen

I know most people hate him, but he constantly makes me chuckle. Love him going to the mound and chewing out Contreras.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Yea I hate him, but he is entertaining

Sucks I'm here at the University of Indianapolis and we don't get FSN Detroit, we get FSN St. Louis...

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 4, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions  

There we go!

Finally, a big hit! Two RBIs for Pudge.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

pudge!

What the heck? He's a machine!

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 2:15 PM EDT reply actions  

he was due

J-JO!!!!!

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Thank you, Jacque

Thanks for coming to play today.

They needed to pounce on Contreras. I think Ozzie's got him on a short leash.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

Contreras just looks like he would rather be sitting in the clubhouse today, Bring on Octavio Dotel!

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice

always fun to match your season's offensive output in just three innings....granted, it's a heck of a lot easier to do in the first week than later, but they way the Tigers started out in KC....

by ahtrap on Apr 4, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

im sure his family is proud

His wife Brandine and the children: Tiffany, Heather, Cody, Dylan, Dermot, Jordan, Taylor, Brittany, Wesley, Rumer, Scout, Cassidy, Zoe, Chloe, Max, Hunter, Kendall, Caitlin, Noah, Sasha, Morgan, Kyra, Ian, Lauren, Q-bert, and Phil

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

polanco

has put a hex on that ball. I see they scored that one as a hit, at least.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

phew

Nate wriggles free.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Scoring some runs here would be nice

The Tigers need to get a lead on Contreras before Ozzie takes him out.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions  

You gotta be kidding

Pudge thrown out, trying to get back to second? The Tigers can't capitalize on an opportunity.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 2:54 PM EDT reply actions  

there you go Zach

K on JI
JIM THOME

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

That was slick

Was that a slider from Miner? Totally froze Thome.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ozzie wants no part of Clete

Jose Contreras is out, after giving up a lead-off single to Inge.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Why the sacrifice?

Clete is swinging a hot bat! Why take it out of his hands?

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

I think it's almost never a good idea to sacrifice in the 6th inning (in the AL, anyway). But having a guy with 3 hits on the day sacrifice makes no sense at all to me.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gotta say these games are exciting at least, better then the 4/0 and 4/1 beatings the last two games. Go Tigers

Water covers 70% of the earth, Curtis Granderson covers the rest!!

by BigReg on Apr 4, 2008 3:11 PM EDT reply actions  

All Redneck Team

Boone Logan & Clete Thomas. We have the start of a very good thing!

Water covers 70% of the earth, Curtis Granderson covers the rest!!

by BigReg on Apr 4, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

And THAT...

... is probably why Kenny Williams traded for Orlando Cabrera. Nice stab up the middle.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions  

On a warmer day...

That might have been a home run by Konerko. Just a double, instead.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

3 pitches...

Grilli being Grilli

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

GRILLI

I don't even understand why Leyland brought him in. And then he serves up a fat change-up to Pierzynski. 8-5 White Sox.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Grilli is Italian for "Gas Can"

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't get it

He should be strictly a mop-up man. Either with a huge lead or huge deficit. Why bring him into a tied ballgame in late innings?

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was just commenting

to a friend that Grilli's HR pitch looked like a batting practice toss. Ug-er-ly.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

And then Grilli throws it away

If the White Sox want to give up an out, why not take it? Instead, Grilli misses with a wild pitch.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions  

thank you Carlos Quentin

this inning should have been a lot worse

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Wow

That was an awful performance by Grilli. Thank goodness the White Sox are incompetent on the base paths.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

Bad baserunning let him off the hook. Nice glove work by Inge, too.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Inge could

play himself into a really valuable role for the Tigers this year.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Dotel was brutal his first time out

Hopefully, the Tigers can knock him around like the Tribe did.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 4, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd take it

Any knocking around of White Sox is always welcome to me :)

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Weak

Well that was relatively flaccid. Darn.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I still think

this team is going to be brilliant this season. I just hope that a sense of urgency kicks in relatively soon.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions  

5-4-3!!!!

nice work

"WOO HOO HOOOOO...HOO" - Rod Allen

by rock n rye on Apr 4, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Puzzle

Now it's time to put all of the pieces together and get back in this!

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or not.

1-2-3 isn't going to cut it.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Weird

That Jones hasn't had much work so far this season. Stinks.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 4:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Jones

has been invincible (admittedly in two innings of work). Grilli, less so.

by Krazzid on Apr 4, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jones

I was hoping Jones wouldnt have to pitch in many pressure situations early this year, of course I was anticipating the Tigers having big leads in those games.

jgrubbs

by jgrubbs on Apr 4, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crap.

0-4. Who'da thunk it?

by ViolaHalo on Apr 4, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Good

I don't want to be one of those fans who thinks the sky is falling during the first rough patch, but the Tigers are the only winless team in the majors.

by jgrubbs on Apr 4, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly don't see it getting better soon. Two more against the White Sox (who always play us tough), then three in Boston. an 0-9 start is not unthinkable.

by bradm on Apr 4, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Amazing

Never thought we'd see a 4 game slump to start the season.

Hitting-based teams can take a while to get going, though. Still not time to panic. Aside from Grilli, pitching's been decent enough and they're finally getting some hits.

Look at those LOB numbers though. Yikes! Can't move a guy home.

by Twas Brillig on Apr 4, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Decent enough

Though not great, I should clarify.

by Twas Brillig on Apr 4, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

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