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Game 6: White Sox (3-2) at Tigers (0-5)

Chicago White Sox at Detroit Tigers, Apr 6, 2008 8:05 PM EDT


Mark Buehrle (0-0, 37.50) vs. Justin Verlander (0-0, 6.00)

So let's try to think of tonight as a do-over Opening Day.  I realize that doesn't quite work.  The five games the Tigers have already lost count in the standings, and this contest will be played under the lights (the first night game for Detroit this season).  But with Justin Verlander starting for the home team and the ESPN Sunday Night Baseball crew shining a national spotlight onto Comerica Park, tonight's game has the trappings of something special. 

Of course, it would be nice if the Tigers didn't carry that "only winless team in the majors" distinction into the game, and that will surely come up more than a few times during the broadcast jibber-jabber between Jon Miller and Joe Morgan.  No one expected this kind of start leading up to a national showcase.  But as the kids like to say these days, it is what it is, and the Tigers will have to see about getting that first win of the season tonight.

Mark Buehrle was brutal in his Opening Day start against the Indians, giving up seven runs on seven hits (including two home runs) in just 1 2/3 innings.  Amazingly, he didn't take the loss.  And he was mediocre in three appearances against the Tigers last year, posting a 1-1 record and 4.64 ERA in 21 1/3 innings.  Most of that damage occurred in one game, however.

Gary Sheffield returns to the lineup tonight, but Placido Polanco will sit out with a stiff lower back.  Was sending Ryan Raburn back down to Toledo really the right decision?  Maybe it doesn't matter, since Raburn hasn't played much second base, anyway.

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Starting Lineups

CHI WHITE SOX

CF N. Swisher
SS O. Cabrera
DH J. Thome
1B P. Konerko
RF J. Dye
C A. Pierzynski
LF C. Quentin
3B J. Crede
2B J. Uribe

DETROIT

C I. Rodriguez
LF M. Thames
DH G. Sheffield
RF M. Ordonez
3B M. Cabrera
1B C. Guillen
SS E. Renteria
CF B. Inge
2B R. Santiago
3B B. Inge

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thames

Why is Thames batting second instead of Renteria. Is it because Lelyand likes power in the 2 hole if Polanco isnt in there?

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

I think that's it. Power from the #2 spot is something he and La Russa seem to share a belief on.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lets not fuck it up boys

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK

Here we go.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

let's not...shit, too late

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

C'mon...

Most people haven't even sat down yet.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Un

b
lievable.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There we go

Justin says "one is all you get, bitches."

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fits him perfectly.

Let's go boys. Bring the bucket of chicken. Get Jobu some rum. Whatever it friggin takes.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It really is

Does he look in the mirror every day and think that looks good?

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ian you have Inge playing two positions up top there

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Shoot

Bad cut-and-paste. Sorry about that.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish we had two Brandon Inges haha

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn. Wonder what it's gonna take to get this team playing well?

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So is the general consensus...

...that we hate the white sux more than any other AL team?

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander looks

tough tonight. Love that!

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There is always the Yankee's to hate, but sometimes I feel thats to easy

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Verlander's change-up

That's looking like a nasty pitch tonight. Two punchouts with it. Take notes, Bondo.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man it is sick tonight, was just tellin my buddy that.

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really hated

the Royals when mike sweeney was there.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I can not stand Cleveland

Being a U of M fan, I just hate anything coming from Ohio

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Boo

I live in Ohio and am an OSU alum. At least we can agree on the Tigers.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can also agree

That Tressel owned Lloyd. It only hurts us 'cuz it's true.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spread offense

coming. We'll see what happens.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Peter Gammons

He's so wasted as a sideline reporter, giving little anecdotes and asking "tell us how it felt" questions.

Let Erin Andrews do that. Baseball Tonight really misses him in the studio.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could always go for more Erin Andrews

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I could always go for more of those to, especially with the start to this season

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ozzie Guillen

makes me crazy. I can't even tolerate looking at the guy.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate Joe Crede.

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're haters

I think we need a win or something.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice DP, now Verlander has to strand that runner

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Exhale

That looked like trouble when Verlander walked Uribe.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buckled down

and got him. Ace through and through.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My wife

just walked into the room and aske what the hell is that on his face, he must not have a woman in is life

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 8:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cialis and Viagra commercials

are so appropriate for us right now.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah

we need to score

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But it says we can't "drink alcohol in excess"

Now is a better time than ever to do that.

by Grant E. on Apr 6, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough hop?

Crede still looked like he had time to make that play. Not that I'm complaining.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Inge

They just can't get Inge out, even when he grounds the ball to one of the better fielding 3B in the league

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on, we cant have that after they gave us a break

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Lord.

That's just beautiful.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Least

He was trying to get something goin, not made at him that was a hell of a throw

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kind of a dumb mistake

But I like Santiago being aggressive.

... even though you have the top of the order coming up. Blurgh.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to agree with Joe Morgan but...you can't make the first out of the inning at 3rd

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and...

Trying to do too much can lead you to make bad mistakes.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn. Nice catch.

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Uribe

Must translate to something close to 'Tiger Slayer'

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes I don't like him, but he is always amusing to listen to

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maggs Will Take It

That has to be the first time a hit has dropped over the infield or into the gap in this series for the Tigers.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Someone needs

to tell Cabrera to stop using bats made of balsa

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Miggy's bat

That's the only break the Tigers are getting.

Well, other than Joe Crede's fielding.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the third bat Cabrera has shattered this season. Not sure if that means anything.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We should just keep hitting to Crede.

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Keep hitting it to Crede!

Detroit's best offense.

He floated that ball from the start.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just like Mike & Mike

We finish each other's sentences, LosTigres.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good lord. Let's just give them runs.

Nothing is going right.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Man oh man. Maybe we just hate playing at home.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some good news?

Curtis Granderson's hand is healing nicely, and he can "resume baseball activities" tomorrow.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If they could only hit the way they should

Then I wouldn't mind the 3-1 score in the fifth

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Dave...

Rick Astley just called. He wants his red turtleneck back.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great at-bat by Santiago

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't imagine a more frustrating beginning to this season.

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh.

This is pathetic.

I'm trying real hard to stay positive, but plays like Guillen's do not help.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's going to get hurt

Guillen keeps straddling first base like a shortstop taking a relay from second base.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that

and thought the same thing. NOT good.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So How Long

Has Dave Dombroski been on Miami Vice...

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking Mr. Furley

The landlord from Three's Company. All he needs is the ascot around his neck.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Instead of walking him....

....I think they should have just beaned him.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The bullpen is busy...

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thats not a good balls to strike ration

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ratio not ration

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So JV just hit a guy to score a run. Every single thing I thought I wouldn't see in 2008 has already happened now.

by LosTigres on Apr 6, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, seriously

How many different ways are the Tigers going to mess up?

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was fully expecting a Crede grand slam in that situation.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least they haven't gone to Grilli - yet.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully, his neck is still stiff

He must've strained it while turning to look at all the hits he gave up.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I cannot go to class tomorrow and listen to all the fans of other teams remind that the Tigers are still winless

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This team is

worse than any Tiger team in history because they're expensive. At least we had virtually no payroll back in 2003.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fans booing

A couple of games ago, I thought that was too harsh, but the fans are entirely justified tonight. This is some crap baseball.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Sox should have scored zero runs in that inning. Guillen's error caused us SIX runs. I can't believe I just typed that.

It's okay, though - this team has a track record.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to have to quit drinking beer

during games and find something harder if these keeps up much longer.

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

"The Tigers could well

draw over 3 million fans this year."

Yeah, right. Not like this.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Again with the double play!

How many have the Tigers hit into? Three? Four?

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That double play.

Saw it coming a mile away.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time to bring in the bench

let miggy and sheff rest and get health

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pudge

I am continuing to watch to see if Pudge swings at every pitch he sees tonite. He's 5-5 so far. Great leadoff hitter approach.

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know

the whole team has do it so far this year even Polanco, Leyland needs to make everyone take the frist strike just like in little league.

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sorry

but thats how i feel right now, i will change it for the next game, a new day new hope

by miggy4mvp on Apr 6, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You knew we were in trouble when leyland didn't have Clete in the line-up.

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 10:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fans waving at the camera

I think I want to respect that they're having fun, but I'd go Kenny Rogers on that cameraman if he got near me right now.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I know how you feel

and I was thinking the same thing seeing their out-of-place giddiness.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The possibility that the season is over before it really begins is what's so disheartening about this start. Especially when you have a season ticket package. :)

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

While the home plate umpire is dazed...

Kevin Rand should tell him the score should be Tigers 9, White Sox 1.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Buehrle

Last year, the Tigers pounded soft-tossing lefties.

But he's exactly the type of guy to give a lineup pressing to score runs big problems tonight.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another season of the White Sox looking like world beaters when they play the Tigers?

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Home vs. Road

Do you guys give any credence to the media's excuse for the Tigers that playing at home to start the season was detrimental to their success?

Because I've always thought playing at home is supposed to help a team. Call me crazy.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that once a slump starts you feel more pressure to do things at home

...perhaps a spell together, away from home will help. Who knows. Couldn't be worse.

by ViolaHalo on Apr 6, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it is more managing the huge expectations than being at home. Now, being at home playing the this awful just makes everything worse.

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's Grilli Time

We're down 9-2, its safe to bring him in, let him eat some innings

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 10:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Grilli Time

These sorts of games are the only ones in which Grill should be pitching.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cabrera

Maybe if we wave a hotdog in front of his face he'll get a hit.

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice throw!

That was a sweet play at 3rd, though. Rocket throw.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clete

pinch hitting for Pudge. So Pudge did swing at every pitch he saw tonite. At least he didn't hit into a DP.

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure if he was batting anything other than leadoff he wouldn't have let us down by not hitting into a DP

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent point

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joe Morgan

Joe Morgan seems to care alot about Ozzie Guillen.... and also seems to think Justin Verlander has a "sinker"... what a joke of a broadcaster

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else sick of the Planters ad?

Though the woman is an interesting representation of the Tigers' play tonight.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Orbitz

Not as sick as I am of that Orbitz ad

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yea, its annoying

it's probably a combo of ESPN showing it 37 times and the Tigers playing like shit

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inge at catcher!

And boy, does he look happy to be there.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BRANDON INGE IS CATCHING

YES!!!! He's better back there then Pudge... yes, I said it.

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you couldn't have already guessed, I completely agree.

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's next?

I'm not sure where the Tigers go from here. (Don't say Boston.)

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What's Next

Bring up Porcello.

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

btw... thats a joke

btw... thats a joke... had to be VERY sure that was clear

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who would go down? Does Cabrera have any options left?

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Something has to be done, but what?

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anything to snap a losing streak

Maybe all of the Tigers should dye their facial hair douchebag blonde...

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dombrowski

Maybe this will make Dombrowski open his eyes and fix this bullpen.

by Tigsfan on Apr 6, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really, really hope we can look back on this game in three weeks and say, "Remember when we lost 12-2? Seems like ages ago."

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bright side

Ok, even I can't find a bright side to this.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Tigs are 0-6

and Bill Self actually won a big game. I feel like I am taking crazy pills.

by tbliggins on Apr 6, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That guy in the Tiger suit

He has to want to punch someone in the face right now. Or someone should punch him; I'm not sure.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Meat of the order coming up

Inge, Santiago, and Clete. Who'd a thunk it?

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tomorrow.

I can't imagine sports talk hosts will be telling their listeners to stop panicking tomorrow.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The topic du jour

They'll probably want to talk NFL Draft.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see I stopped to play some video games and I come back and its worse

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone have a rally cap on?

Dare I hope for this bottom of the ninth to get interesting?

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About the only chance

Would be a quick trade of Grilli and have him take the mound for the Sox.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A grand slam wouldnt even cut the lead in half

by jgrubbs on Apr 6, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A fitting end.

Good call, dude.

by bradm on Apr 6, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Peter called it

Another frickin' double play.

Perfect ending to this.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Enjoy writing up this recap man

I can't imagine how painful it'll be.

by rossjohnson87 on Apr 6, 2008 10:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for sticking it out

I know it wasn't easy, but I think everyone appreciates the shoulders to cry on.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 10:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I turned off the TV, but stayed here.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I live in Connecticut

I DID watch the women play basketball, so it's a doubly disgusting evening for me.

by pfuhrmeister on Apr 6, 2008 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have permission

Go out and hurt a small animal, Peter. You might feel better.

by Ian Casselberry on Apr 6, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Fantasy Meets Reality...

When i see Jim Leyland look strategically at a situation and come to the same conclusion that I do in my Fantasy Leagues,I know that we're in serious dog shit!! Last night..".get Clete into the game and have Inge catch..." YIKES!!!

by headscratcher on Apr 7, 2008 10:57 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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