Game 42: Tigers (16-25) at D-Backs (26-15)
by Ian Casselberry
on May 16, 2008 8:26 PM EDT
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Detroit Tigers @ Arizona Diamondbacks
Jeremy Bonderman (2-4, 4.80) vs. 
Dan Haren (4-2, 3.04)
Oh, this looked like it would be such a great series when the 2008 schedule was first released. And maybe it still will be. But the Tigers weren't supposed to be shuffling into Arizona with hunched shoulders, avoiding everyone's gaze. Their record wasn't supposed to be a virtual mirror opposite of the Diamondbacks'. And Bonderman vs. Haren was supposed to be a clash of pitching titans.
By the way, are you already sick of hearing "Well, at least Detroit doesn't have to face Brandon Webb in this series"? I sure am. Is that how far it's already fallen for the Tigers, when we're happy to avoid an ace pitcher? Remember when we wanted to see how elite pitchers might fare against this lineup?
Besides, it's not like the Tigers catch a break in facing Dan Haren. On several other teams, he'd be the staff ace. And that's pretty much how he's been pitching so far this season. Haren has allowed more than three runs in just three of his eight starts. In his last two appearances, he's given up four total runs over 13 innings. Amazingly, Haren didn't win either of those games. He also hasn't pitched that well against the Tigers in six career starts, posting a 1-4 record and 5.12 ERA.
Someone else who hasn't been pitching well, in a much broader sense, is Jeremy Bonderman. He lasted just four innings against the Yankees last Saturday, giving up five runs, six hits, and four walks. Some blame Bondo's ineptness on an ill-fated attempt to grow a mustache. I still think he should see how far he can take the 'stache, but if he stinks tonight, there probably needs to be a clubhouse intervention with a shaving kit.
While watching tonight's game, I'll be lamenting not joining The Daily Fungo summit in Arizona this weekend, an unfortunate casualty of my travel plans to Malaysia. Hopefully, Mike and the rest of Team Fungo share some of their experiences from Chase Field here at BYB. Given how well Detroit has performed in Interleague Play over the past couple of seasons, maybe they'll be witness to a Tigers resurgence.
AZ Snakepit has your SB Nation opposing view for this three-game interleague series.
Short Hops:
- Joe Sheehan examines whether or not the DH really gives AL teams an advantage at Baseball Prospectus.
- Yahoo! Sports' Jeff Passan has some suggestions to spruce up Interleague Play, and some of them are pretty creative.
- We know at least two Tigers will be in uniform at the All-Star Game. Jim Leyland has been named as one of Terry Francona's coaches.
- Buster Olney ($$) wonders if the Tigers might have to enter the C.C. Sabathia sweepstakes.
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buster olney
If only I could get this man to have some baloney, sorry I listen to mike and mike, I just can’t help myself… No CC, no Bonds, No reanimated ted williams head on a cyborg body, please, just bring some of the young guys up from AAA if the season doesn’t turn around…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 8:56 PM EDT
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Starting Lineups
DETROIT
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Gary Shefield, LF
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Carlos Guillen, 3B
7. Edgar Renteria, SS
8. Pudge Rodriguez, C
9. Jeremy Bonderman, P
ARIZONA
1. Chris Young, CF
2. Stephen Drew, SS
3. Orlando Hudson, 2B
4. Conor Jackson, 1B
5. Justin Upton, RF
6. Chris Snyder, C
7. Eric Byrnes, LF
8. Augie Ojeda, 3B
9. Dan Haren, P
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 8:58 PM EDT
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fantasy team
I picked up Mark Reynolds early this year, at least I don’t have to be conflicted tonight… Ian on a serious note, thanks for what you do, I found this blog a week or so ago, I really enjoy it…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 9:14 PM EDT
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Thanks!
I appreciate the kind words. Despite the Tigers’ play this season, writing here has been a lot of fun with all of the participation we’ve had from regular readers thus far. So thank you for chiming in, and I hope you stick around.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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DON'T
praise him too much…..(his ego is already HUUUUGE)
Joking, I concur, it takes a lot of work to do what Ian does, even when it hurts…and I for one, appreciate it.
by Zappatista on
May 16, 2008 9:16 PM EDT
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It IS pretty large
Might have to check it in for my flight tomorrow.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 9:35 PM EDT
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Where the hell is Joyce?
Must have need a break, got winded from rounding those bases.
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:18 PM EDT
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So much for Sheff in the outfield
...or maybe not.
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 9:20 PM EDT
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or batting 3rd
... or maybe not.
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:22 PM EDT
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whatever
I’m so disheartened I almost don’t care. Hit Ramon Santiago cleanup, I don’t care, just get a win.
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 9:25 PM EDT
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Hey it with a try
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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Sheffield vs. Haren
.200/.250/.467, one home run, three RBIs, two strikeouts in 16 plate appearances.
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May 16, 2008 9:33 PM EDT
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I have a dilemma.
SO PLEASE HELP!!!
Newcastle, Pete’s Wicked, or Orberon?
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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Newcastle it is!!!
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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I am 110% ready
to blame the mustache if it’s still present and Bondo struggles tonight.
by Roar of the Tigers on
May 16, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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Newcastle, Pete's, or Orberon
Are they mutually exclusive?
by busta on
May 16, 2008 9:31 PM EDT
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I could mixed them I guess
depends on how the game goes
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:34 PM EDT
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Doesn't seem like you could go wrong
Although I LOVE Oberon when it’s hot. Since the Tigers are playing in 90-degree weather, that’s the way to go?
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Maybe round 2
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:39 PM EDT
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with Haren on the mound
on the Tigers O struggling against the Royals, I think we’ll all need plenty of alcohol to get through this one
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on
May 16, 2008 9:36 PM EDT
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Like I stated earlier
I am going to send DD my alcohol bill, the Tigers are costing me to much
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:38 PM EDT
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mixing
Hopefully you’ll be stone cold sober…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 9:37 PM EDT
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That a hesitation
isn’t good for Miggy, it gives him time to stop and make a sandwhich
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:42 PM EDT
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mlb tv
I couldn’t get mine to work till now, looks like I didn’t miss anything…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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not unless
you were expecting the Tigers to NOT be retired in order in the first, but I think most of us were expecting that.
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 9:48 PM EDT
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expecting, fearing it's just semantics at this part
My subject line took up all my thoughts for the next 10 minutes, must refuel… Dominoes, where are you?
by busta on
May 16, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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The saddest part of each new series
is hearing the announcers for the other team introduce the players the Tigers have. The D’backs announcers just mentioned the 41 All Star teams, and Polanco’s .341 average last year. Makes their struggles all the more painful to be reminded of how good an offense this should be.
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May 16, 2008 9:45 PM EDT
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The D'backs voice just said,
“With Pudge’s buttery hands….”
I don’t even know what came after that….still not sure where he could have went with that.
by Zappatista on
May 16, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
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Daron Sutton and Mark Grace?
Is that who you guys get?
Ugh. They were one reason I didn’t sign on for MLB Extra Innings.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 9:54 PM EDT
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holy crap
Justin Upton is scary good
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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To this day, I think the Tigers called up Maybin last year because of Justin Upton. They saw one 20-year-old outfielder tearing it up, and wondered if theirs could do the same thing.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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Dang!
Justin Upton guns down Maggs at 2nd. Love the aggressive baserunning, but Upton took Maggs to the gun show.
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May 16, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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wow, that throw was on the money
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 9:58 PM EDT
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yep
mark “slump buster” grace on the mic…..are the white sox on??
by Zappatista on
May 16, 2008 9:59 PM EDT
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at least everyone is making contact
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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yes
that is a silver lining. Plus, Haren is tough, but at least the Tigers have seen him before.
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:03 PM EDT
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the crowd there
obviously doesn’t know Grandy that well. The were a’cheering that hit like it was hitting the ground!
by Zappatista on
May 16, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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under 30
Their montage 30s ago didn’t show anyone under 30
by busta on
May 16, 2008 10:04 PM EDT
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ARGH
What was Miggy doing on that foul ball? Did he misjudge where the fence was? He absolutely should’ve had that.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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Bondo wanted the K anyway
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:06 PM EDT
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wow
half ass attempt by cabrera yeah hes worth all that money
by HavocRox on
May 16, 2008 10:07 PM EDT
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Stood there like a house on the side of the road.
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
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May 16, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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This is the best Bondo has pitched
since 2006, in my opinion
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by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:11 PM EDT
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Hate to revert, but
he IS throwing rocks tonight!
by Zappatista on
May 16, 2008 10:10 PM EDT
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pizza
I wish it were here already, but it’s not…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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Hey
I wonder what Thunder Dan Majerle’s been up to lately…
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:12 PM EDT
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I am calling it
Bondo is going big fly
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:13 PM EDT
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if he does
I’ll give you a billion dollars
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:14 PM EDT
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stupid question
when was the last time we had a lead?
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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all 9 hitter made contact
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:15 PM EDT
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bondo
seems to be getting ahead of hitters more tonight
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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1/3 done
Bondy’s looking pretty good… Go tiges…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 10:31 PM EDT
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pitch count
From D-backs blog Bondy 47, Haren 41 through 3…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 10:33 PM EDT
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about frock time
that dog is dancing
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by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:37 PM EDT
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hallelujah!
Give that man an 8 year deal!
by ThaWalrus9 on
May 16, 2008 10:38 PM EDT
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and a fist full of cash
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 10:40 PM EDT
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verry niiiiiicee......
I think my mlbtv is a bit behind…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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Woo Hoo!
Nice time to join the thread
by pfuhrmeister on
May 16, 2008 10:42 PM EDT
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Bondo
3 Innings no hits, one walk, 4 Ks? Who is this guy?
by pfuhrmeister on
May 16, 2008 10:43 PM EDT
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so let's hope all it took to fix Miggy
was NL pitching
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on
May 16, 2008 10:45 PM EDT
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DAMN!
I was watching it with a five minute delay!
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May 16, 2008 10:53 PM EDT
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sorry, my jinx
I got off work and went “whoa, a no hitter” and then the Dbags got a hit, and I said well, hey, maybe a shutout still? and they got a really far hit.
my bad.
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May 16, 2008 11:05 PM EDT
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Big Red
Chris Shelton just hit a HR for the Texas Rangers
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May 16, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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this is nice
keep getting easy outs.. karma owes us…
by busta on
May 16, 2008 11:17 PM EDT
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Rejoining the GameThread already in progress
Had to take a phone call, but kept up on the action. Wasn’t exactly an attentive listener when Cabrera’s home run went out.
Then whatever it was that Byrnesie did after hitting his home run… blurgh.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:21 PM EDT
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that rattlesnake noise is annoying
and seems pointlessly timed
by MackAveKurt on
May 16, 2008 11:28 PM EDT
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Sort of like the toilet flush the Lions call a roar.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:29 PM EDT
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Byrnes
Does he get plunked this inning for raising his arm when he hit his home run?
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:30 PM EDT
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Mark Grace is kind of an idiot
Just said that Bondo “has been a Cy Young candidate, many times.” What times were those?
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May 16, 2008 11:33 PM EDT
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hey now, don't sell him short
Mark Grace is a full blown idiot
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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May 16, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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Pizza
Is it too much to ask that the lead be intact while the pizza is being picked up?
And I may be late to the party, but I vote oberon. Always oberon.
by Juskimo on
May 16, 2008 11:36 PM EDT
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WTF?
What is with the foul balls tonight? Three guys are there, and no one catches the ball?!?
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:39 PM EDT
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little league
wait, I just insulted 12 year olds by comparing them to Tigers.
by MackAveKurt on
May 16, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
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I still can’t believe that play. You would think one of those guys would’ve caught the damn ball accidentally.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:42 PM EDT
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Maybe
They were all figuring out who was going to high five a fan after the catch.
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May 16, 2008 11:47 PM EDT
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you know
I could tell zach miner was pitching without once seeing who was on the mound
by MackAveKurt on
May 16, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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super
i want to shave his stupid head and hit him with a sack of doorknobs
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on
May 16, 2008 11:44 PM EDT
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Thank you, Ojeda
Helped the Tigers out there with a crap bunt.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 16, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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Thank you NL baseball for the free out
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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May 16, 2008 11:46 PM EDT
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Son of a...
I’m just… flabbergasted.
Miner was actually looking pretty good, until he served up that base hit.
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Zach Miner Leaguer
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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Got to love Zach Miner "League"
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 16, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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Shoulda kept my mouth shut
and the pizza place messed my order up to boot.
by Juskimo on
May 16, 2008 11:54 PM EDT
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ok
so do you pronounce that “Yoosk-imo” or what?
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May 16, 2008 11:59 PM EDT
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its
Jooooooo-skimo (people keep bugging me to spell it jewskimo for the sake of technical correctness)
by Juskimo on
May 17, 2008 12:02 AM EDT
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too much time in the U.P.
I Finn-ified it.
by MackAveKurt on
May 17, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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where's my beer?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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May 16, 2008 11:57 PM EDT
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I am beyond beer.
Time to unlock the liquor cabinet and where the hell is my dog.
"When I began playing the game, baseball was about as gentlemanly as a kick in the crotch." - Ty Cobb
by miggy4mvp on
May 17, 2008 12:01 AM EDT
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At least you guys are drinking
I’m looking around the room for things to smash.
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May 17, 2008 12:03 AM EDT
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Ian, can I go with you on your trip?
I need the two week break.
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May 17, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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You might have to be checked in
But sure. No TV, no internet… You can detox with me.
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Guillen/Cabrera
So, luckily for me, I have only had to watch the horrible national tv games being out in Portland. Is Guillen really a defensive upgrade over Cabrera at 3rd?
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May 17, 2008 12:04 AM EDT
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no
but I think maybe Cabrera is still an upgrade over Guillen at first …
It’s a disaster.
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Was Guillen worse than Thames over there?
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Yes
Thames looked gold glove in comparison to those guys.
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May 17, 2008 12:09 AM EDT
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I thought Thames looked good in his time at 1B last season. Not that I’m saying he should be over there now…
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It’s hard to believe that this team has played as badly as they have. At the same time, the makeup of this team is horrible. It is as if they were trying to build a fantasy team only.
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looks like I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue...
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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2003
at least in 2003 i expected to lose almostevery game because we were over matched. now it seems we are overpaid and under coached. where do i sign up for the Fire Jim newsletter? im just sick of it
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Three strikeouts
Not to take anything away from Cruz, because he had good stuff there, but the Tigers seem mentally weak so often. As soon as they fall behind, it’s like they check out.
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May 17, 2008 12:10 AM EDT
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just like 2003 game over as soon as we fell behind
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May 17, 2008 12:11 AM EDT
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Mr. Illitch
Please clean house before all is lost. keeping in line with “dumbrowski” should we go after jack mckeown heck he used to be a marlin also. marlins have performed so well so far this season for us.
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May 17, 2008 12:13 AM EDT
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Heart of the order up in the 9th
Joyce, Maggs, and Cabrera.
by Ian Casselberry on
May 17, 2008 12:18 AM EDT
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is there a heart on this team? seriously
by HavocRox on
May 17, 2008 12:22 AM EDT
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Tony Pena?
Surprised it’s not Brandon Lyon to close it out for Arizona.
by Ian Casselberry on
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Lyon just pitched 3 in a row
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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May 17, 2008 12:23 AM EDT
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honestly they dont need him a little leager could get us out
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May 17, 2008 12:25 AM EDT
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yeah it's weird
apparently when your team has a lead your closer pitches more than once a week
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
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And when flicked on the interwebs to see the Tigs up 3-1 I figured it would be the closer that lost it tonite. Maybe tomorrow…
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I missed it live
but how did Byrnes not get a fastball in the numbers after that fist pump?
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May 17, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
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uhhhh our staff couldnt possibly hit him in the numbers
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Maybe if his numbers were 6-8” off the outside corner.
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Too close a game
Plus, there were already two runners on base, with no outs.
He might get one in his first at-bat tomorrow, though.
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oh well as we all know “maybe tomorrow we will play to our potential”
by HavocRox on
May 17, 2008 12:30 AM EDT
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they were mesmerized by his care-free attitude and surfer hair cut
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on
May 17, 2008 12:32 AM EDT
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that was in response to the non-Byrnes beanball
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by rock n rye on
May 17, 2008 12:33 AM EDT
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Red Wings are tomorrow afternoon, right?
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by rock n rye on
May 17, 2008 12:34 AM EDT
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man I wish I liked hockey more
you can watch the wings. I’ll report back to you guys how the tigers find to lose tomorrow’s game.
by MackAveKurt on
May 17, 2008 12:36 AM EDT
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