Game 52: Tigers (21-30) at Angels (31-22)
by BigAl on May 27, 2008 7:55 PM EDT
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The Tigers fanbase is revolting. They are quite unhappy with the team as well!
I'm sorry, it's an old joke, but I felt the need to add a levity to ByB after last night's true gut punch of a 1-0, 12 inning loss to the California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels. The Tigers wasted Kenny Rogers best outing of the year, unable to mount any semblance of an offense, and were shut out for the 8th time in 2008.
It was the sort of loss where we could look back in a few months, and say, "Remember Bobby Seay giving up the 4 pitch walk off walk to the Angels? That's when the season ended."
Just how bad was the loss? Check out the reactions in the game thread ...
BigAl (that'd be me!): Jesus, I hate this team.
rook34: This is what we have. For better, or for what it looks like, for worse.
The Walrus9: a rhyming word that starts with F
MackAveKurt: I’m really really disliking this year’s version of the Tigers.
I'll let rook34 have the last word on what was a very disturbing loss.
rook34: We’re one Bondo explosion from officially being back in a tailspin.
Indeed. Let's try an move on from this latest debacle, shall we?
Tonight, the man the Tigers send to the mound to stop the tailspin is Jeremy Bonderman (3-4, 4.58). He's facing the Angels Ervin Santana (6-2, 3.24 ERA).
I really don't have much to say about tonight, other than the Tigers, and the fanbase, could really, really, really use a win. Seriously, just win a damn game.
I'll let Todd Jones finish off today's game thread post, as he's quoted not wanting to get on Jim Leyland's bad side. Apparently Leyland's not in the mood to be trifled with...
“Look, this team needs to realize that this guy took on Barry Bonds. He’d run every one of us out of town. You’re just better off if you don’t cross him. And I think he relayed that message 100 percent. You just don’t mess with him. It’s not that hard. He doesn’t ask a whole lot.”
Short hops:
It's a day of mourning for this Detroit fan. As Mike reminds us at The Daily Fungo, 28 years ago today, the Tigers traded 1st baseman Jason Thompson. Mike, I feel your pain. The big 1st sacker was one of my all time favorite players too.
At Mack Avenue Tigers , in an attempt to beat blogger's block, Kurt's answering questions about the Motor City Kitties submitted by his readers. He's looking for more questions, so fire away!
Eno compares the Tigers' all or nothing offense to a pinata at Where Have You Gone, Johnny Grubb?
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Too ridiculous to not be true
Well, as an introduction to how things may go tonight, the Freep posted a comment from Leyland that blames Guillen’s fielding troubles on a particularly nasty case of hemmorhoids. They are so bad, in fact, that according to the skipper, they need to be lanced. It’s in the Freep article detailing Sheff’s inevitable return to the DL.
There are so many humorous routes to take this one, I can’t pick just one.
Oh, I’ll try. This tells you what Leyland thinks of Inge. Inge doesn’t play in front of a guy who can’t play his position. That guy also happens to have a raging case of hemmorhoids.
Wouldn’t want to be Inge right about now.
Speaking of which
The Tigers’ MLB page has the official word: Sheff to the DL, Jeff Larish to the majors. Guillen will DH, Inge will play 3rd. Not sure how much of a look Larish will get, but he’s earned one….
The season.
At what point is it okay to stop watching every game in the hopes that this is the game when they turn everything around?
Have we passed that point?
I passed that point long ago. After the game they came back to beat Papel and the Sawx, I swore up and down that the turning point had arrived.
Oops. I have no idea why I’m still watching.
For my part
I was more excited and engrossed in the 2008 Tigers than any sports team I’ve ever followed. Even went to see them in Lakeland. After every painful loss, I tell myself to take a few days off, but sure enough the next night I can’t help myself. Just take tonight. I watched the last game where Ervin Santana pitched against the Tigers. He had dominant stuff. I’ll bet he doesn’t give up more than 2 runs and probably strikes out 7, and yet, I am compelled to watch…
Hope is hard to come by
But that doesn’t mean I’m going to stop watching. There is always something to watch for and hope for, no matter how bad the season goes, like trying to make sure they didn’t set a futility record in ‘03.
by pfuhrmeister on May 27, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Tonight's lineups
Detroit Tigers:
C. Granderson cf
M. Joyce lf
P. Polanco 2b
M. Ordonez rf
M. Cabrera 1b
C. Guillen dh
E. Renteria ss
I. Rodriguez c
B. Inge 3b
California/Anaheim/Los Angeles Angels:
M. Izturis ss
G. Matthews Jr. dh
V. Guerrero rf
G. Anderson lf
T. Hunter cf
C. Kotchman 1b
J. Mathis c
B. Wood 3b
S. Rodriguez 2b
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yes
Much like Clete, he looked good at first, but there’s a reason they aren’t highly regarded prospects…
Playing in 41 games out of 50...
is pretty damn good for a reserve player.
I've never seen a .220 hitter get this much ink...
You know, maybe Inge would be starting here, or even in another city, IF HE WASN’T HITTING .2FREAKING20!
Instead, let’s keep complaining to anyone who will listen in the media.
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Anyone else not have audio on their FSD feed?
Damn you Fox and Charter!
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No Audio here
getting kinda annoying. Should have it fixed by now
Good thing
The Tigers got 2 hits back to back (with one of them going out of the park). I still stand by my prediction that Santana doesn’t give up more than 2 runs and strikes out 7, he’s got nasty stuff.
Angel Announcers throwing around the "p" word in reference to Bondo
Stupid Rex Hudler and his attempts at jinxing the Tigers
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
Inge!
Despite his lack of hitting and his diarrhea of the mouth, I think he should play most days just for that defense.
by Kurt Mensching on May 27, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
With Sheff on the DL...
Inge will likely play every day. His being out of the lineup gives the Tigers much more flexibility.
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This is the problem with Inge
If all these “Inge still not that happy being on the bench” articles would stop, the Tigers fanbase would go back to loving him. Dude is a great defensive player.
It's one of the laws of the baseball universe....
Make a great defensive play, lead off the next inning with a hit. Simple as that.
1 and 2 spots are killing us
3 Ks for Joyce tonight. Not trying to beat the kid up, but he hasn’t looked good at all the last few days. Still, he’s a good defensive LF and we’ll need him out there tonight.
That pitch was right over the plate...
Vlad won’t swing unless it’s out of the strike zone!
Big K for Bondo!
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Yes he is
The Tigers have had THREE hits (and no walks). They are very lucky, like I said earlier, that they were able to string 2 of those hits back to back, and one went over the wall.
77 pitches through 7 for Bondo
night off for the bullpen perhaps?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
They'll call on the pen
when the Tigers need to issue a 4 pitch walk.
Seriously, I’d like to Bondo go deep into the game, especially after the pen going 5 innings last night.
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This game has been a pleasure to watch
Pitching duels are more fun when your team is out in front. Let’s cross our fingers for an insurance run.
Fun fact
Ervin Santana’s birth name was Johan Santana. He changed it when he was in the minors after another guy named Johan Santana got famous. How odd a coincidence is that?
why let someone else lose the game for you
If Bondo’s getting the loss, he’ll do it himself
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
I agree
As much as I like the Caped Cruceta. But, it looks like we’ll see how the Caped one will do…
All splitters
He has to throw all splitters. It’s a nasty pitch and hard to elevate. Get a ground ball or a strikeout.
That's the problem when your stuff is really breaking...
You might bounce it up there… 2-1 game.
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So much for the lead...
Tie ballgame.
I’m not all that confident Cruceta gets out of it now.
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i'd better get to bed.
if i go now, there’s a chance I won’t be cranky at work tomorrow
Sleep…where the Tigers always win
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
lucky you
The Tigers even lose in my dreams.
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Good Lord!
Cruceta looked great…for 1 batter. Then he just lost it.
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Like I said at the tme
he was as popular as a lions backup quarterback and would probably have the same results.
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I had the same feeling
Way overhyped by fans and media alike. I just took one look at his era in the majors (pre-tigers) and though… oh boy… another overrated pen man.
I hate being right
Before the game I predicted 7 K’s, 2 runs allowed for Ervin Santana. I hate being right.
There is hope
Darren Oliver looks like he’ll be next in for the Angels. He doesn’t scare me, I think Polanco/Ordonez/Cabrera can get to him.
What did I miss?
Just got back from the first company softball game of the season.
Anything exciting? Who gave up the lead?
Has Leyland beat anyone in the dougout for sassing him yet?
well
at least it didn’t waste our time with an extra inning loss
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:27 AM EDT reply actions
I can't watch this team
This seriously beats me up… I hate it. I hate being a Tigers fan this year… Words I’d never though i’d speak.
i'd lke to addend my comment from last night
I hate this team.
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions
Back to 10 games under .500
There’s really no reason to expect them to contend at this point, is there?
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I'm as upset as everyone else
But you have to at least acknowledge that the opposing pitcher was ridiculously good tonight. Honestly, they were lucky to even have a lead to blow.
tip the cap all you want, a loss is a loss
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
you can justify every loss in a season if you try hard enough
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I know
I’m not making excuses for them, they’re horseshit right now. I have to keep talking myself into reasons to come back every night.
Ugh... so incredibly frustrating...
television is still intact somehow, as is the remote… a miracle in and of itself
It's going to be 11
Bad as this sounds, we’re due for a bad starting pitching performance. Hopefully it’s not tomorrow.
2 consecutive walk off losses to go 10 games under
I want to say the Tigers have hit rock bottom, but it’s not even JUNE.
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No kidding...
At this rate, the season could be over within a week. This trip could get real ugly.
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What scares me is....
We’ve had four really good starting pitching performances in a row. AAA pitcher goes tomorrow. Nate leads off at Seatle, who can’t be this bad forever.
Things can’t be particularly good in that clubhouse at the moment. Leyland has burned his tantrum cards.
I have no idea how this gets better before it gets worse.
yeah
As crappy as the pitching has been on occasion, I really think the offense has been the bigger problem. Like I said, the Tigers were 2 good swings away from being shutout tonight. They need to score runs more consistently.
and frankly
reach rock bottom is worse than the previous
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Could the tigers
Put the entire starting team on the DL day to day, bring up the mud hens and play them for a series?
Any reason why this would not be a good idea at this point?
No
Fire Lloyd McClendon. 41 All Stars in the starting offense, they shouldn’t have been shutout 8 times already, or whatever the number is.
If somone gets the ziggy, McCelendon is the likely sacraficial lamb
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Nope
Unlikely. If Lloyd goes, Leyland will go too. Leyland’s biggest problem is his undying loyalty-see Chucky, Sheff, Lloyd, Sheff, blah, blah, blah
Then fine
I love Leyland, but fine, he can go too. Can’t let the inmates run the asylum, and that includes letting the manager control personnel moves. Let Lamont take over if Jim is that loyal to Lloyd.
Take Grandy
I know this is probably unfair to Lloyd but still, look at how hot Grandy was his first week back. After a week or so with the team (and with Lloyd) he went into the same funk as everyone else.
I also think
Chuck Hernandez has been making progress. Verlander, Bonderman, and Rogers have all been much improved their last few outings.
For whatever reason...
the starters weren’t ready when they left Lakeland. Leyland has admitted as such. They’ve been pretty good the last 10 days or so, and I don’t see any reason that won’t continue as long as they stay healthy.
The offense-and defense I have less faith in. AAA players aren’t the answer. Joyce’s bubble has burst-hopefully they don’t leave him out there twisting in the wind to kill his confidence.
There’s no answer other than our star players playing like star players.
JEEZ FSN
Do they think anyone at all want to hear postgame interviews with the other team after a loss?
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:41 AM EDT reply actions
I'm only staying up to see what cliches Leyland breaks out tonight
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not many
they cut him off fast. Maybe if they didn’t interview a fricken Angel they’d have had more time.
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
the only silver lining
is that the rest of the division has stunk too. 7.5 games back in May is doable. If they ever get their heads out of their you know what’s
and the dark cloud
the Tigers have stunk about all of those slumping Central teams, why should we think that’ll change?
by Kurt Mensching on May 28, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I see no reason to think things will change
But if the Tigers were in the East, they’d be 10 games behind 2 different teams and would be pretty much hosed.
Solid reasoning
but at this moment I can find no good reason to continue to hope. Maybe I’ll feel better tomorrow, but I doubt it.
If we go 35-5 and transform into the 84 team
we will be 56-36 and in prime position.
So the answer is obvious:
Time travel.
Someone go tell Alan Trammell that his name is now Alan Rentaria and Jack Morris that his name is Justin “Jack” Verlander.
ironic
I was the first to call for Leyland’s job and now I’m the one who’s not really in favor. Not really opposed, but I just don’t see it helping.
The only way Leyland goes...
is if he quits early and heads for Pittsburgh. Which he’s not above doing.
Well
He just looks “puzzled” and seems to have no answers… at this rate he may end up quitting before the season is done.
There are no answers
Leyland has made some epically (is that a word?) stupid decisions and I’ve had more than enough of his cliches and deflections. But honestly, I don’t see how canning the guy or him leaving in the middle of the year makes us better. Unless, the team has turned on him and no longer listens. If that’s the case (and only the guys on the team know for sure), then by all means send him home. But otherwise, throwing the guy out basically sends a message that the season is a waste, that all of us who bought tickets wasted our $, etc.
Those things might all be true, but I doubt Ilitch wants to admit that just yet.
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