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Game 33: Red Sox (20-13) at Tigers (14-18)

Boston Red Sox at Detroit Tigers, May 5, 2008 7:05 PM EDT


Daisuke Matsuzaka (4-0, 2.52) vs. Jeremy Bonderman (2-2, 3.86)

Usually I try to make these GameThreads all about the pitching match-up, but the big story coming into tonight's opener with the Red Sox is about the new batting order Jim Leyland promised we'd see.  "Drastic," remember?  Here is the starting lineup for your Detroit Tigers this evening:

    1.  Curtis Granderson, CF
    2.  Placido Polanco, 2B
    3.  Carlos Guillen, 3B
    4.  Magglio Ordonez, DH
    5.  Miguel Cabrera, 1B
    6.  Gary Sheffield, LF
    7.  Matt Joyce, RF
    8.  Edgar Renteria, SS
    9.  Pudge Rodriguez, C

"Drastic"?  Well, maybe not so much.  Though I suppose that depends on what you expected.  Releasing Jacque Jones and calling up Matt Joyce weren't entirely insignificant moves.  And playing left field might feel like more of a drastic move to Gary Sheffield (though Mike McClary tells me, via ESPN, that Sheff requested this move) than hitting sixth.  Maybe he can tear more of that scar tissue in his right shoulder playing long toss or throwing the ball to the cut-off man.  (And unlike Jones, maybe Sheff's throws will actually reach the cut-off man.) 

The question becomes whether or not Joyce will stay in the lineup.  I'd guess yes, since the Tigers went to the trouble of calling him up to Detroit.  But playing right field regularly is doubtful.  So if he stays, he'll probably move to left tomorrow, with Sheffield going back to DH (or rotating among two or three guys), and Ordonez taking his usual place in right.

Is this going to be enough to score some runs against Dice-K?  Boston has won Matsuzaka's last eight starts, and Daisuke has given up three runs or more in only two of his six appearances this season.  In his last start, he shut out the Blue Jays (who have been struggling to score runs) over seven innings. 

But if Jeremy Bonderman pitches as well tonight as he did last week at Yankee Stadium, things might work out just fine.

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WHOOO HOOOO, oh wait...

Now I don’t have anybody to torment! In all seriousness, Jacque Strap stunk. I am a little perplexed by the Joyce move though, I really wanted to see Clete get some love. Also, too bad that we really need a lefty as Clevlen is hitting pretty well too. Maybe with Sheff playing the field will help him stay in the game mentally and in turn effect his bat.

Game on!

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clete

Take a look at his recent performance. Joyce deserves it more.

by pfuhrmeister on May 5, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clete, RE:

Ya his numbers are bad, but he showed he can hit big boi pitching while he was up, plus his speed is desirable. I have no problem with Joyce getting a shot. It will be fun to watch, hopefully!

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would this not open up Carlos to DH (He is BAD at 3rd) and Inge to 3rd. Carlos’s Error cost us the game agianst Minny. Would like to see Inge get a starting shot again.

by BobbyHigginson on May 5, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Unless you believe Carlos hates DH-ing

My guess is that it’ll rotate among Sheff, Maggs, Guillen, and Cabrera.

And yes, I think a lot of people were hoping Inge would be back at 3rd.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One would have to think

that allowing Sheff to play the field is an experiment to see Carlos can move into the DH spot for Inge to play the field…wouldn’t one?

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheff asked to play LF

I’m almost expecting Leyland to use the DH position as just a way to give guys a “day off”

by pfuhrmeister on May 5, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sheff

The reports say that he asked. I would think, as a team player, Sheff probably said this after/during the release of “The Strap” as he would want to help the team in any way. It could also be a jumpstart and he is grasping at straws to figure it out…

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Red Sox starting lineup

1. Jacoby Ellsbury, CF
2. Dustin Pedroia, 2B
3. David Ortiz, DH
4. Manny Ramirez, LF
5. Mike Lowell, 3B
6. Kevin Youkilis, 1B
7. J.D. Drew, RF
8. Jason Varitek, C
9. Julio Lugo, SS

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 6:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rod and Mario or the ESPN telecast?

I thought tonight would be blacked out on ESPN, but maybe not, since it’s a home game?

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 7:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oooh, ESPN?

I’ll have to find a sports bar (after I get out of work – it’s 4:10 here)

by pfuhrmeister on May 5, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Back to back walks

So does Cabrera swing at the first pitch?

by pfuhrmeister on May 5, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?

This drive me nucking futs…more than anything this team does.

by bradm on May 5, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But hey...

I bet those Red Sox hitters are intimidated by what Bondo did to that ESPN camera lens.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

with all of these balls being thrown,

what’s the chance Pudge takes one?

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

J. Jones

Hey Ian,


I rest my Case.

Fats

by Fats Fothergill on May 5, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Steve Phillips or Joe Morgan

right now I’d choose pointy stick in ear

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

must be the uniform

must be the Red Sox uniform that causes Renteria to make errors.

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are actually discussing Ol'e

Tigers stadium. A nice discussion, of course there were a few jack ass comments. Phillips claims he was in the house for the all star game when Reggie had the light tower power!

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This at bat is a war

12 pitches and counting

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Somebody listened

When Leyland said they had to stop giving away at-bats.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sheff in left

He’s certainly getting the opportunity to run up to the fence with the long balls Bondo is giving up.

Crap.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

6 BB

Getting a bit weird.

by Matt in Toledo on May 5, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Letting him off the hook

You can’t let Dice-K get away with walking that many batters and not drive in a run.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it cold in hell?

Pudge….walk…..Inconceivable!

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No, really,

you can’t. It doesn’t seem possible.

by Matt in Toledo on May 5, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

FINALLY

And THAT, ladies and gentleman, is why it wouldn’t have been a bad idea to move Granderson down the order a bit. His hits can drive in runs.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yes, yes

But, no one else has his speed and smarts on the base paths or his average at this point. Sheff is not good at running the bases. Polanco, yah, but don’t you feel comfortable with him second. Pudge, uh NO. Renterria, I don’t ike that either. INGE! I digress…..hmmm, who do you want up there?

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leyland says Curtis is leading off - period

So I suppose it was a moot point to even bring up. I’d disagree with you about Sheff running the bases, though.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I concur

Sheff can get around the diamond

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you on both points, Ian

Granderson is a middle of the order, 100+ RBI hitter waiting to happen. Sheffield is the smartest baserunner on the Tigers. He has highest baseball IQ on the team.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot to add...

Unfortunately, Granderson is the one of the few Tigers who could be a legit lead off man. Which is I really liked Billfer’s idea of batting Sheff lead off.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to come off like Lynn Henning, but...

Sometimes, Comerica Park pisses me off. In how many other ballparks is that drive to left center by Magglio a home run?

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between being a pitcher's park...

and being unfair to your own batters. CoPa’s insane power alleys are unfair. Henning’s problem is harping on it seemingly once a week.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rope

Man, he hit that hard

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tough break

Like you said, Joyce smoked that ball. Had a chance to be a hero. Hit it right at Drew, though.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Potent offense.

Eight f** walks and they score once. That’s pathetic.

This team’s in a bad spot right now. If it isn’t one thing, it’s another.

by bradm on May 5, 2008 9:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I really think it's the uniforms

Red Sox uniforms are kryptonite for Edgar Renteria.

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 9:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bad throw by Renteria

But another example of bad footwork by Cabrera. If his left foot is on the bag, maybe he has a chance to stop that ball, even if he can’t make the out. By using the right foot, he has to cross over and stretch for the ball.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

You could give Cabrera the error there too. That throw wasn’t that wide.

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can they

capitalize on a base hit and some good luck?

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We'd like to welcome

all those viewers/readers who just watched the Detroit Pistons defeat the Orlando Magic. Unfortunately, Magglio Ordonez just grounded into a double play, so you’re not missing much.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

switching...

from ESPN to MLB.tv for good luck

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

do the Sox walk Sheff to face the rookie?

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jeez...no pressure rook

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and enter...

Inge or Thames…maybe Rayburn?

bringing in a lefty…

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thames

all or nothing

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That move sure worked. Nice job, Marcus!

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to see more of Marcus

Now that Jacque is gone, Thames has to get more playing time.

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree!

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Manny bare handed Thames single...

I’d pay big $ to watch Manny play 81 games in a spacious park like Comerica. The hilarity would never end…

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

cue the Benny Hill yakety-sax

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My earlier complaint about the CoPa

is hereby withdrawn. Saved a home run by Drew there.

by Ian Casselberry on May 5, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't know if it's possible

for me to love Grandy more than I do

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 10:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok you saved a run with that catch

now it’s time to create them Mr. Granderson

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on May 5, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Tater time...

better to get those out of the way when we are already down, and not up by one….HAM

by Zappatista on May 5, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Papelbon is darn near unhittable

...but if any part of the lineup can, it’s the next 3 guys.

by ThaWalrus9 on May 5, 2008 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So much for the "drastic" changes...

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on May 5, 2008 10:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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