Game 72: Tigers (33-38) at Giants (31-41)
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 2:31 PM EDT
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Detroit Tigers at San Francisco Giants, Jun 18, 2008 3:45 PM EDT
Armando Galarraga (6-2, 3.31) vs. 
Barry Zito (2-10, 5.88)
The Tigers came back strong after their first loss in six games for a 5-1 win last night over the Giants, perhaps indicating that Monday's game was more of a stumble than a fall. As Kurt said at Mack Avenue Tigers, the loss felt like more of a fluke rather than a return to bad form. Clinching a series win this afternoon would confirm that sentiment, however.
Is it at all strange that Barry Zito's record resembles Justin Verlander's (3-9, 4.55)? In last night's GameThread, Matt was lamenting the way wins and losses are decided for pitchers, and Zito and Verlander present two examples of how won-loss record is often not an accurate barometer for judging a pitcher's merit. Verlander has been frequently victimized by a lack of run support, while Zito apparently suffers from an inability to get hitters out. Zito's been hurt by his lineup in a few games too, but in eight of his 14 starts, he's given up five runs or more.
On Detroit's side, the Armando Galarraga Experience continues to gain stature. Unless he's "piggybacking" on another pitcher's start, Galarraga has been close to outstanding, as if he was sent from another planet to save Tigers baseball. (And I'm not discounting that, by the way. A proper investigation - preferably by NASA - has yet to be conducted.) Over his last three starts, he's given up just four runs in 21 innings.
By the way, I completely overlooked Edgar Renteria getting his 2,000th hit last night (something Samela did not do), which is something that deserves its own post. I hope to get to that later tonight. (Meanwhile, Billfer attacked the notion that Renteria's defense is poor, which is another sort of tribute.) I just got caught up in the excitement from Ryan Raburn and Marcus Thames hitting the long ball, which surely fueled me through some 1 a.m. typing.
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Starting Lineups
DETROIT
1. Edgar Renteria, SS
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Magglio Ordonez. RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Marcus Thames, LF
7. Ivan Rodriguez, C
8. Curtis Granderson, CF
9. Armando Galarraga, P
SAN FRANCISCO
1. Fred Lewis, LF
2. Jose Castillo, 3B
3. Randy Winn, RF
4. Bengie Molina, C
5. Aaron Rowand, CF
6. John Bowker, 1B
7. Travis Denker, 2B
8. Omar Vizquel, SS
9. Barry Zito, P
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 2:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m counting on the game thread to keep me awake this afternoon….struggling to stay alert at work….
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
come on now, there is only one Experience – the Todd Jones Experience
by Jerkwheat on Jun 18, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey guys, im new here, but gooooooooo tigers
by Ramon Santiago (little man big heart) on Jun 18, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome!
Glad you stopped in. Don’t be a stranger!
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
almost game time, thank god
I have read every single article printed about the TIgers today, ready for first pitch..LETS GO!!! I am just so much happier when they are playing well..
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 18, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Game time?
wasnt the game suppose to be a 3:35 pm start?
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 18, 2008 3:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jumping on zzitto in the first, I love this new team in Detroit..freakin great..I would what happen to those guys from a few weeks ago? I think they fell into the black hole or something
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 18, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the san fran announcers said he was probably the toughest out in the line up… i was like WHAT
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is how you lose ball games..
bases loaded with 1 out and not getting anyone in??? come on guys
by spartyboy40 on Jun 18, 2008 3:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Happy or Disappointed
Are you guys more happy that the Tigers got 2 in the first, or disappointed that they only scored 2?
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 3:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
those who say disappointed are spoiled from the recent play of this team..we have to remember this is the team that got shut out 7 times already this year
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 18, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but I think you have to be disappointed in any team that loads the bases with only one out and the next guy up strikes out on 3 straight pitches
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im alright with two, the fact that they scored runs first and THEN left men on base, so I can deal.
by slomo984 on Jun 18, 2008 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The hitzones on the ESPN Gamecast are pretty sweet.
Checking in at lunch, going to have to go back to the grind in 45 minutes or so.
by Juskimo on Jun 18, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Galarraga
$5 for everyone here if Galarraga goes deep.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is it?
that ESPN.COM is freezing up on me at work, but bless you boys is running smoothly…whats going on? still 2-0?
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
3-0
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5-0
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Barry Zito
At least our awful lefty (d-train) isn’t messing things up in the majors like poor Barry Zito. He just has to sit there and get booed pretty much every game. It’s 3-0
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably can’t hear the boos with the fists full of cash he has stuffed in his ears.
by tbliggins on Jun 18, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-0 now and Barry Zito might have walked you
by Jerkwheat on Jun 18, 2008 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Anyone here watching the game on FSN?
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Raburn
That was a pretty brutal thing to say about Raburn, especially in the paper
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, nasty.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For all those not able to watch the game some writer for the San Francisco Chronicle (or whatever it is) wrote in the paper that it would be bad enough being beaten by one of the Tigers high paid thumpers, but the Giants got beat by a .219 hitting scrub named Raburn
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That roster
If Raburn played for the SFG he would probably bat 2nd. Look at that roster. Molina is servicable, but not as a cleanup hitter. Lewis and Rowand are the only everyday players that could even sniff playing time on a contender. So, does this writer expect the Giants to sweep a rolling, talented club?
by tbliggins on Jun 18, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummm.. well with famous, house hold names like Bowker supplying their power on Monday why wouldn’t they write that? i hope you can pick up the sarcasm, i’m laying it on pretty thick.
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that writer might be suffering some delusions of grandeur about his hometown team.
by slomo984 on Jun 18, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Everything is jumping off the bats. Zito’s pitching is like a tasty, tasty beef brisket sandwich. Yum! (yes, I’m hungry)
by WildElliot on Jun 18, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you’re just making me mad all over again that my fave place to get brisket over here shut down a few months ago….
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, granted, it’s only the second inning, but is anyone else already ruing the fact that the man with the crooked hat messed up what could have been a third straight sweep?
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Considering how the season started, I’ll cherish every series win we can get.
by slomo984 on Jun 18, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bummer
You typically like to get to the long relief as early as possible Not when Zito is on the mound, though.
by tbliggins on Jun 18, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dunno, i’ll stick with zito in there.. he’s living up to his ERA so far..
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s what you call a manufactured run….a hit, an error and a wild pitch….was it an egregious error on Cabrera?
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
holy crap...
did anyone just see the Rod Allen clip the San Fran broadcast just showed?
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if you didn't...
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is classic. The look on the pitcher’s face as he is sprinting to the OF is phenomenal.
by tbliggins on Jun 18, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss all the fireworks?
Zito isn’t even in the game anymore? Whoo!
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Giants are not very good.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He walked Galarraga if that tells you anything.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe someone told Zito it was Andres Galarraga.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This makes me so happy
Like I said last night, if the Tigers hadn’t come out and pounded Zito today, it would’ve been such a disappointment.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I thought you jinxed us last night with that comment.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just read that SF Chronicle story
Pardon my French, but what an asshole.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah..
That’s just really surprising. I just did a little write up on it (plug). It’s unusual to see a journalist do that.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s just oozing with bias, for one thing.
And it comes off as somebody’s mad he has to watch bad baseball.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then he calls Marcus Thames “Homer or Nothing.” How bitter is that?
Here’s the article in question.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha that may be a little bitter, but the mans last 8 hits have all been home runs, so it is rather accurate. I just can’t help but laugh at what Thames has been doing.
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn;t think it was all that bad
the .219 hitting scrub on raburn was a bit harsh, but as a beat writer covering a team, you’re supposed to come across as a supporter as well as a reporter, I think….
I mean, personally, the worst type of sports reporter is the Drew Sharp type, who’d go out of his way to slam home teams unnecessarily….so he took a couple of shots, (well, one, at Raburn), so what? He called the Tigers team a murderer’s row, and gave props to a young up and comer in Sanchez.
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It strikes me as the kind of thing angry fans say when they get beat by someone they have never heard of, but I thought journalists were supposed to have a bit more objectivity
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, that was the other thing. Like he feels like he was wronged personally that the Giants weren’t able to win after a quality start and that the Tigers were doing it to ruin his life. Weird style.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Might as well link to your post on the subject, Blake.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are the man Ian. A God among men.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
But I think Marcus Thames has dibs on that title.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good point.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How great is that Curtis is pretty much hitting the ball everywhere? He’s all over the field.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Galarraga
The man is just an on base machine
by jgrubbs on Jun 18, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Galarraga is an on base machine.
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by spotstarters on Jun 18, 2008 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never quite felt like a threat
But nice to see Galarraga finish off that inning so he’s eligible for the win.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the Giants aren't very good....
but, with our bullpen, a big lead makes me feel more comfortable
by Brian8603 on Jun 18, 2008 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
one more at bat for Thames to pop one….unless the Tigers generate a few more runs, that is
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THEY TOOK MARCUS OUT?
They can’t take him out!
by pfuhrmeister on Jun 18, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That does seem a little bit harsh, doesn’t it? Let him try for #9.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya know whats crazy? he’s such a team guy, he probably doesn’t even care.
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 18, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think you’re right. Sit back and enjoy the win.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
still has hit 8 home runs in a row streak
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just signing in from beautiful downtown Plano, TX
What got into Polly today? He’s hitting .316?
by pfuhrmeister on Jun 18, 2008 6:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why is Galarraga being charged with an earned run by Yahoo? That first run followed a error by cabrera before the striekout/wild itch that allowed the run….shouldn’t the error have rendered it unearned?
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 68-year-old "ball dude"
Would the Giants be better if they had him playing third base right now?
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I love this blog, the game, and you guys, there’s free beer and burgers in the hotel lobby, so I’m outta here.
by pfuhrmeister on Jun 18, 2008 6:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are you going to match the free beer and burgers for us, Ian?
by tbliggins on Jun 18, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could probably offer a fifth of dark rum and some nachos. I’ll have to check the freezer for burgers.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do what you must...
Free food & booze are hard to resist. We understand.
by Brian8603 on Jun 18, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ball Dude layin' out for the ball
Sabean needs to put him on the roster.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Leyland could pay him $20 to stand in for him the rest of the game. Just switch uniforms.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Tigers need to acquire him for the stretch run...
Not like they’re in the middle of a youth movement or anything.
by Brian8603 on Jun 18, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a thought
assuming Dolsi gets through this with the 5 run lead intact…..do you send Rodney out there to mop up, and get in a few pitches in a less threatening situation that what he faced Monday?
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the exact same thing. Is that an insult to Rodney? Or an opportunity to work some things out?
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the latter….but….then again, he came in against the Giants and couldn’t get them out (I mean, seriously, Bowker?), would you put him in a pressure packed situation against the Red Sox or even the White Sox right now?
by ahtrap on Jun 18, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Let him try to locate that fastball.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh....
Ball Dude’s gonna get himself DFA’d.
by Brian8603 on Jun 18, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess it's gonna be Dolsi in the bottom of the 9th
by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 18, 2008 6:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
or not
no one on the bench to pinch hit for Dolsi in the top of the 9th I guess?
by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 18, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Break up the Tigers!
They’re a Fernando Rodney implosion away from a 9 game winning streak.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 18, 2008 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was driving around doing field work most of the day
listening to a drubbing of Barry Zito, made the Atlanta traffic much more enjoyable
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jun 18, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As fun as these three games have been...
I am really looking forward to sleeping at a decent hour tonight.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 18, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As much as I hate to say it
In that seris with San fran I truly can give enough credit to Aaron Rowand, it seemed every time he made a routine fly ball and someoine was on base he would keep them honest and almost turned the double play on maggs in game 2 i think? Wasn’t there once trade possibilities of getting him, but hey now THE HAMMER, GRANDO, and maggs hold it down i couldn’t be more happy
THE HAMMER
by Ramon Santiago (little man big heart) on Jun 19, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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