Off-Day Open Thread

Once again, we're kicking back on an off-day with things looking and feeling pretty good. The Tigers had a 4-2 west coast road trip, they're three games under .500, and five games out of first in the AL Central. Plus, they have six more games of Interleague Play (though the Cardinals should provide some stiff competition).
So it's Open Thread time. As usual, I'll toss out a few topics for discussion, but you can bring up anything you want, baseball or otherwise.
- Kurt thinks way too much has been made of the SF Chronicle's Henry Schulman referring to Ryan Raburn as a "scrub." Both and Curtis Granderson and Todd Jones responded. And Schulman eventually apologized.
What bugged me about Schulman's remark was that it's the sort of cheap shot bloggers often get accused of taking. In addition, for Schulman - who reminds us that he's been at this for 20 years - to say that he "didn't realize how insulting that word can be" strikes me as rather disingenuous. - I think I might finally go see Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull today. Has anyone else seen it? What did you think?
- One of my favorite baseball writers, Barry Svrluga of the Washington Post, recently left the Nationals beat to cover the Olympics. (This happened more than a month ago, which shows how much attention I've been paying lately.) Which baseball writers do you enjoy?
- George Carlin passed away yesterday, at the age of 71. As a kid, he was one of the reasons I was happy to have HBO. He got more cranky and less funny as he got older, but still made you think. Who are some of your favorite stand-up comedians?
Okay, it's your turn. The thread belongs to you. Enjoy your off-day!
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excitement is building
I cant believe what we hoped for 2 weeks ago is actually happening, we said they needed to win like 8 out of 10 or something to get back into it…I honestly did not think they were capable of doing it..when you get 11 games out I was really sticking a fork in them..
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 23, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The article
After reading Schulman’s article, I did not find it offensive at all. Actually, it was pretty refreshing to read a sportswriter’s column that wasn’t sugarcoated. Our writers would never say “scrub” but reading the article if I was a Giant fan was pretty on point imo. He seemed to be venting a little bit since obviously the Giants are his team, but he also said some nice things about the Tigers and you don’t hear about those unless you read the whole article. We all know or should know what he meant when he used the scrub word.
by densogirl on Jun 23, 2008 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All the good ones are leaving us. First Tim Russert, now George Carlin.
I think the most spot on comment I’ve read so far about the passing of Carlin was, “Why couldn’t it have been Dane Cook instead? Who would miss him?” (I would have added Carlos Mencia, as that’s how I roll)
I think the reason his death struck me so hard is that it was so out of left field. You didn’t see it coming. You thought he’s always be around, taking on sacred cows like religion, free speech, patriotism and politics.Carlin was fearless. Call me old and crotchety, but comedians today are nowhere near as daring and thought provoking as the likes of Carlin, Richard Pryor, Bill Hicks and Sam Kinison.
As for Schulman, I agree it’s pretty much a tempest in a teapot, much ado about nothing. But it’s a good point in saying bloggers are always accused of taking cheap shots, when the media, who do it just as often, rarely get called out.
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by BigAl on Jun 23, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I never had to see Carlos Mencia again, I think that I could handle that.
by Grant E. on Jun 23, 2008 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny that Todd Jones demands that Raburn be referred to as a back-up or a role player….would he be okay with someone referring to Raburn as a benchwarmer? Pretty much the same thing, right?
I laughed out loud when I read the line about how the players have thick skins, because the descriptions of the Tigers’ reactions to this incident shows anything but.
I wonder how they might be reacting to us ripping Fernando Rodney for not being able to find the plate if he were sitting on it?
Seriously, anyone making it to the major leagues is not a scrub, compared to you or me, they have mad skillz and stuff….but as with everything in life, there is a pecking order, and there are stars, and there are everyday players, and then there are the Raburns and Cletes, the guys who can be useful in a pinch, but you don’t really know whether they’ll make it stick, and compared to the guys who pad the second highest payroll in major league baseball….well, you conclude the thought….
Doesn’t mean that as fans, we love ‘em any less….
by ahtrap on Jun 23, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AAA All-Star, Major League scrub
If Raburn’s starting for your team, youi’re in trouble. Doesn’t mean he’s not good at playing the game of baseball. But compared to the other 749 guys, he’s closer to the bottom than the top. Why was it acceptable for everyone to make fun of Neifi Perez? He was a punch line.
And Densogirl, just because he writes in a town doesn’t mean he cares whether or not the home team wins. While it seems hard to believe, reporters really don’t care, they just want a good story.
My shocker was that the Tigers clubhouse got so upset over it. You’d think it was the very first time someone didn’t write that everything was wine and creamed strawberries.
by MackAveKurt on Jun 23, 2008 11:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think most of the outrage was simply because it came from a reporter for the SF Giants. For a team w/ such little talent made the comment relatively much, much worse. When someone who watches Molina hit cleanup everyday calls someone a scrub it seems much worse than if a BoSox writer said it.
And I appreciate the clubhouse rallying around Raburn. It would an intimidating clubhouse to be a young player in considering all of the past achievements/all-stars on the team. That has to be a nice reinforcement to Raburn that he is welcomed as part of the team.
by tbliggins on Jun 23, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOF Pitcher, Todd Jones?
20 more saves this season would put him 10th on the all time list. It’s hard to believe that he could end up being one of the top ten closers ever isn’t it?
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 23, 2008 11:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
when I think of Jones ...
I think we need to change one of those inspirational posters commonly hung up around offices.
“Perseverance:
Todd Jones”
But Hall of Fame? Not so much. They should probably elect the former saves leader first.
by MackAveKurt on Jun 23, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe this is old school thinking
But I’ve always thought a Hall of Famer should have been one of the absolute best at his position for a given period of time.
Does Todd Jones fit that category for closers? Maybe he does in terms of numbers, though as Kurt pointed out, the HoF has not looked favorably upon closers yet.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 23, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, he’s not getting in the hall… that was just silly on my part.
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 23, 2008 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
being statistically top 10 in saves doesn’t make you one of the 10 best necessarily – especially considering saves is a fairly recent statistic.
by Jerkwheat on Jun 23, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially considering saves is a fairly worthless statistic
fixed.
by tbliggins on Jun 23, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indy.
Ehhh, not that good. Ford is belivable enough as Indy even though he’s 60. The plot is a different story. There were abou three or four instances (they were important, no throwaway points of the story) that left me thinking “Umm… what?” Just some rediculous stuff.
by Grant E. on Jun 23, 2008 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not to give too much away, but Indy lost me at the refrigerator scene
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jun 23, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn’t want to be the one to say it, but yes, that is where it started to fall apart.
by Grant E. on Jun 23, 2008 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian,
Indiana Jones was pretty cool, my favorite baseball writers are pretty much you, Mike McCleary, and Buster Olney, because I most just ready blogs and stuff on ESPN.com because I don’t get the Free Press or Detroit News. Stand up comedians are Mitch Hedberg and Nick Swarson.
Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jun 23, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Todd Jones
I disagree, if someone is in the top ten of closers he should be considered among the greats of the game..expecially considering the distinked advantage someone has on playing on a team like the yankees or braves..do you think Jones would have 500 saves if he pitched and was the only closer for the Yankees for the last 15 years..I just looked at his Career stats and in 9 out of his 15 yrs in the league he has had 15 or less saves either due to injury, lack of opprtunity, or he wasnt the closer..so the majority of his saves have come in a six year stretch…
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 23, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hicks
Bill Hicks is my all time favorite comedian. Hicks, like Carlin, is no longer alive, and Hicks died in 1994 at the age of 32. Hicks was way too smart for his own good, did too many mushrooms and too much acid for his own good but he was hilarious. He was edgy. Go ahead, try to track down some of his stuff, a lot of his stuff is out on CD and there are multiple DVDs that span his career.
Hicks was angry but he every time he took the stage he ended with a feeling of peace, love and hope. He recognized that there was a lot wrong with the world and he hated that. However, he saw the good in it all as well.
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by spotstarters on Jun 23, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bill Hicks is #@$%ing brilliant. Unfortunately, I don’t think I could repeat any of my favorite jokes or routines here.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 23, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go see Indiana Jones if you want
...but whatever you do, don’t see “The Happening.” Rob Vaux said it best:
“The Happening, another case of elegant filmmaking kneecapped by a thunderingly stupid concept.”
George Carlin was the best, can’t believe I haven’t seen a link to this sketch yet. Genius.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 23, 2008 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mitch Hedberg
The depressing thing about tennis is that no matter how good I get, I’ll never be as good as a wall.
or my favorite:
I like an escalator because an escalator can never break, it can only become stairs. There would never be an escalator temporarily out of order sign, only an escalator temporarily stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jun 23, 2008 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s my favorite Hedberg joke, too. His delivery makes it even better.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 23, 2008 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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