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Game 81: Rockies (32-49) at Tigers (40-40)

Colorado Rockies at Detroit Tigers, Jun 29, 2008 1:05 PM EDT


Greg Reynolds (2-5, 5.68) vs. Kenny Rogers (5-5, 4.60)

A month or so ago, it wasn't very fun to type out the titles of these GameThreads.  I even considered changing the format, so I wouldn't have to keep noting the Tigers' won-loss record every day.  Today, however, I looked forward to typing out that record.  I'd been wanting to do it ever since Ryan Raburn sprinted across home plate last night with the game-winning run.

I think rock n rye has the right idea over at From the CoPa.  Let's hit the reset button on this thing.  Finishing off the Rockies for a sweep would help with that, of course.  The Tigers have worked hard to allow themselves to call a Mulligan on those first 81 games.  The second half of the 2008 season is upon us, and the promise we felt in March has returned.

Since giving up eight runs and 10 hits to the Giants, Greg Reynolds has put together two quality starts, in which he allowed just four runs in 13 innings.  On the road, however, his record is 0-3 with a 7.71 ERA.  Reynolds doesn't strike out many batters, so the Tigers should get their bats on the ball today.  And they really should be scoring more runs with the hit totals they've been posting recently.

Kenny Rogers had his streak of five quality starts snapped rather violently by the Cardinals on Tuesday.  He gave up five runs to St. Louis, which is one more than he'd allowed in his previous five games combined.  Was that a pothole in the road for Rogers or the beginning of a downward slope?  

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Starting Lineups

COLORADO

1. Willy Taveras, CF
2. Todd Helton, 1B
3. Matt Holliday, LF
4. Garrett Atkins, 3B
5. Ryan Spilborghs, RF
6. Jeff Baker, DH
7. Clint Barmes, 2B
8. Yorvit Torrealba, C
9. Troy Tulowitzki, SS

DETROIT

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Clete Thomas, RF
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Marcus Thames, LF
6. Gary Sheffield, DH
7. Edgar Renteria, SS
8. Dane Sardinha, C
9. Michael Hollimon, 2B

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 12:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the usual Sunday afternoon lineup from Leyland

you can count on him giving a few of the regulars off every Sunday. I’m not complaining though…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 12:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Will the Great Dane......

get his first major league hit today?

by MSU4LIF on Jun 29, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Clete hitting Second

I like it

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Maggs

Put on the DS according to the Free Press

by ashmark on Jun 29, 2008 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry meant DL list can’t type

by ashmark on Jun 29, 2008 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not good

Obviously, that’s a big loss.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's the link

Tigers put Ordonez on DL, call up Matt Joyce.

Crap. Those oblique injuries are never minor tweaks.

I’d rather see Clevlen get the call, but I bet Clete and Thames get the majority of the outfield time.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe they can put Jonesy with his wig in right field?

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember when one of the complaints about the Tigers was that they had no depth?

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Big Tilde going on the DL puts a hamper on the party at the Copa on the 12th…

I’m gonna go cry in the corner for a bit

by Jerkwheat on Jun 29, 2008 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it may even put a damper on it

by Jerkwheat on Jun 29, 2008 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it's close to 15 days, I think they'll be Ok

If Cabrera really gets on a roll, and if Sheff, Thames, Grandy stay hot, I think they’ll be fine in the meantime. Plus Raburn and Thomas can hit a little bit.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If this was about a month ago...

I’d be really worried about this situation. But lately almost everybody we’ve trotted out to left field has hit well, Sheff is back and hopefully consistently hits. It’ll be a nice chance to give some of the younger guys a lot of AB’s.

by LosTigres on Jun 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why Rod Allen is a good color guy

I like the discussion of whether Hollimon should have called of Miggy. I have MLB.tv so I have to watch the home announcers, so I’ve heard a lot of teams announcers, and I can say that Mario and Rod are some of the better guys around…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

you know who is just terrible? the white sox guys… i hate when they’re my only option.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they are the worst

other good ones are the Red Sox guys and the Angels’ guys.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dan Dickerson is pretty good too

If something big happens you can hear it. Regardless of what team does it. He gets a little more excited for the Tigers, but he’s hardly a homer. I can’t stand listen to most of the home team announcers when the Tigers are on the road. If the Tigers get a big hit or make a big play, most times it’s said in a tone of voice that would make you think the broadcasting booth is in a library.

However, Jim Price annoys me to no end.

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the san fan guys are probably the funnoest ive heard. all they do is make fun of people in th stands.. its hilarious.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 1:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CLETUS!!!!

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 1:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Angel Hernandez.

by LosTigres on Jun 29, 2008 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it’s gonna be an interesting game with him behind the plate

by wepri31 on Jun 29, 2008 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here we go

I think we’re about to see Miggy get on a serious roll

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow…..safe? really?

by wepri31 on Jun 29, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

clete’s just that amazing i guess…....i need to get that shirt…

by wepri31 on Jun 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

nice slide

the throw obviously beat him.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boney!

Glad to see you. Isn’t the Tigers’ record pretty good when you stop by?

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how did he go down and get that one?

didn’t think that one was going out.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rogers

This doesn’t look like it’s going to be a good day for him.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice throw by Sardinha!

Throwing out Taveras is a big deal.

But if Sardinha can at least bring the defense, I think he’ll be an okay back-up.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good throw

better tag by Edgar

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hollimon

I really like his aggressiveness on the bases. It’s bitten him a couple of times, but that sort of thing can give the lineup a boost when it’s dragging.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh boy

If Rogers can make it through the fifth inning today, I think that should be considered a small victory.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

at this moment i don’t see that happening… i could be wrong though

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

Kenny Rogers is Rasputin

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

kenny “the mad monk” rogers

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’ll take getting out of the 3rd with only one run scoring

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You will take no runs scored, sir, and you will like it.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man...

does edger make at least 1 error a game?

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do they let him walk after this year?

I wouldn’t mind seeing how Hollimon could hack it as an everyday player.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he was supposed to be an upgrade.. through 80 games he looks more like a liability.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's a good player

but to be honest, I think I’d rather have Jurrjens back.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

let's not forget

Carlos Guillen wasn’t exact a gold glove candidate either

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tough, tough call

This could be a Pudge Rodriguez situation. Hollimon’s history indicates he’d probably hit well enough, but would his defense at short be good enough for Leyland? That’s probably the question.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the truth is

that the Tigers have been getting subpar defense at short for years. I think Hollimon would put up 80% of the number Edgar and probably provide 90% of the defense. I hear that Cale Iorg may be the SS of the future, but he’s a few years away. I could see them letting Renteria and Pudge walk after the season in order to save themselves 20 mil

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know Leyland doesn't like platoons

But would a Hollimon-Santiago pairing give them equal or better production at SS than Renteria?

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think Ramon will ever hit enough

If Hollimon was brutal with the glove you could use Ramon as a late inning replacement

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upcoming free agent SS

Orlando Cabrera (34)
David Eckstein (34)
Adam Everett (32)
Rafael Furcal (31)
Cristian Guzman (31)
Cesar Izturis (29)
Felipe Lopez (29)
Edgar Renteria (33) – $11MM club option for ‘09 with a $3MM buyout
Juan Uribe (30)
Omar Vizquel (42)

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Furcal

but his ongoing back problems bother me

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

but that could also lower his price

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wonder how guillen would take it.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’d definitely allow Leyland to move Curtis out of the leadoff spot, if that’s what they’d ultimately prefer to do with him.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd almost prefer they keep it in-house

They can’t be paying everyone 8-12 million, and Cabrera, Granderson, Bonderman are all getting more expensive. They still also have to pay Verlander. Having a few guys making low money would help them stay on budget.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

double play...

kenny’s best friend.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They've been beating him down

but they just can’t put him away

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was slick

Cabrera turning the double play from first is yet another sign of how comfortable he’s becoming over there. And great cover by Rogers at the bag.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2 more hits for Marcus today

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

somebody tell me why thames wasn’t considered a full time player?

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i dont miss him.. even though he doing all right this year

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

sardinia...

the last guy in the world i want up in the situation…

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kenny

I’ve said it before. Kenny doesn’t have a great arm, but he does EVERY SINGLE other thing a pitcher can do to be successful. He’s prepared, he fields his position exceptionally, and he’s got a great pickoff.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He’s as complete a baseball player as a pitcher can be.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

one hit away from being yanked in the third

Kenny bounces back and has a chance to make it into the 7th

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you gotta know when to hold ‘em.. know when to fold ‘em…

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Leyland is humming that to himself right now.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlos could use a big fly right here…

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

or a walk

have a good feeling about Miggy’s next at bat

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or the old “can i help you?” – “no thanks.. just looking.”

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s looking pretty bad on TV.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what is this "rain" you speak of?

Down here in Georgia, I can’t remember the last time (other than the pop-up, pour and disappear summer storms) that it has rained

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thunder and lightning here in Mobile, AL

I gave serious thought to shutting down the computer to keep it from getting fried by all the lightning

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't remember a two-week stretch like this

On one hand, my lawn looks fantastically green. (And I haven’t had to go out and cut it.)

On the other, there’s not much sitting outside or grilling.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it’s like seattle here in cleveland.. rains everyday. but like Ian, my lawn is happy.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Houston

is hot and humid. Rains here everyday about 4:30.

by dettigionswings'stons on Jun 29, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Great Dane!!!!!

That ball’s a keeper!

by MSU4LIF on Jun 29, 2008 3:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That has to be incredibly rare

a catcher getting a triple for his first ML hit?

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s not fast at all either.. the rocks where screwin’ around with that ball out there.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dolsi

Looks like he weighs about 110 lbs.. And his 10/11 K/BB ratio scares me.

Also, first post! What’s goin on everybody?

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

welcome

nice name (assuming you took your name from the Tenacious D song)

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tenacious D

I did.. Been using it since ‘02 after I found out about ‘em, hence the 2k2.

Nice 1 2 3 from Dolsi!

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a great album

Explosivo was always one of my favorites.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Booing..

Really? Do we need to boo Grilli? Sure he sucked at the beginning of the season but he was a nice guy..

Also, booing Jonesey yesterday was a little much as well..

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

not a huge grilli fan… bbbboooooooo!

big jonesy fan though.. the guy is tough.. he’ll bounce back from last night.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dolsi has been doing a pretty good job for us… but what ever happen to Lopez?

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

any idea how thats going? heard d-train was starting in lakeland today…. hoping for the best for him.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so far

11 innings pitched, 3 earned runs, 14 K’s.

His last outing was 6 IP, 2 hits, 1 run, 7 K’s

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

CLETUS!!!

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Cult

it’s a couple good games away from being religion. Cleteism could be catching on in Right Field

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are a good minute ahead of my mlb extra innings telecast.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dolsi

he’d barely pitched above Single A coming into this season. He’s been a revelation.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 3:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dolsi is what Dombrowski hoped Cruceta or Bautista could’ve been.

It’s easy to say now, obviously, but this is one example of how Double-D’s offseason approach worked. No, they didn’t sign the big name or proven guy, but he brought in a lot of good, young arms, hoping at least one of them would work out.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bullpens

are such a crapshoot anyways. I think that is the best way to go. Every year there is a team like the 05 ChiSox or 07 Mariners where a bunch of guys you haven’t heard of have career years.

by tbliggins on Jun 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SIT ON IT!

I heart Dolsi

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

look out feddie!

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or freddie…. i’m holding my daughter.. typing has been hit or miss…

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jun 29, 2008 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to take off

Hopefully, the Tigers hold this lead up.

Considering they took it while I was away from the computer, maybe me leaving is a good thing.

Talk to you folks later! And as always, thanks for stopping by.

by Ian Casselberry on Jun 29, 2008 3:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jonesy????

Okay….I love the guy….and here we go with the Leyland confidence building….but he threw way too many pitches last night…..why not bring in Zoom Zoom…..I don’t get it.

by MSU4LIF on Jun 29, 2008 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zumaya

Yeah I’d like to see Zoomer in there too, get him in a pressure situation to build HIS confidence..

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is always a rollercoaster, but yesterday was his first blown save of the year. If he is your guy, and he is Leyland’s guy, then you have to send him back out there.

by tbliggins on Jun 29, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and..

more often then not, Jones follows up a turd with a quick outing.

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

looking for that to come out in time, ie before theinning starts….thanks walrus….

by ahtrap on Jun 29, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

That about sums it up nicely

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

now the double

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

can we just get a easy three today?

by ahtrap on Jun 29, 2008 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

THAT’LL DO IT! BRING ON THE TWINKIES!!

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 29, 2008 3:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good game everyone

See ya in Twinkie Town!

by MSU4LIF on Jun 29, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

there it is

ABOVE 500….how sweet it is

by ahtrap on Jun 29, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

brewers not doing their part so far, down 4-0 i the th to the twinkies

by ahtrap on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

yes it does.

by Juskimo on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leyland

needs to convince these guys that the Twins play in the NL Central.

by tbliggins on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Go Cubs

bring the Sox a little closer, and Tigs can duke it out with the Twins

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great

TJ, that’s the right Answer after yesterday. One Game over 0.500 . Thank you National League :D

So, the 2nd Half of Germany-Spain is on its way (doesnt look good for us, but hey, Tigs win)

bye

Greetings from Germany. Dirk

by Germantiger on Jun 29, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Little late to the party

But is there anything better than afternoon baseball…(Ok, anything better than winning afternoon baseball)

by ReichardZ on Jun 29, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Let me just say

This is the type of game good teams win and bad teams lose. This was a tough, grind it out type win.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 29, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tigers!!

Tigers are on the way up!!

by buckeyefan on Jun 30, 2008 10:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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