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Great run, but...

So here we are at the mid-point of the season, one game over .500, 41-40.  Not only that, but they've won 17 of their last 21!  Very impressive.  I'm not going to lie to you, I have been watching, waiting, and hoping to get back up to .500 this year.  It's pretty much been what we've been hoping for since about oh, I don't know, mid-April?  And here we are.

Sure, it's a tremendous accomplishment for the way this team started.  But let's not buy our World Series tickets just yet.  First let's take a closer look at that winning streak.  2 of those wins were against Cleveland (currently playing at a .451 pace.)  3 from the Dodgers (.469) 2 from SF (.439) 2 from San Diego (.386) and 3 from the Rockies (.390)

Granted, they did manage to wrest 2 out of 3 from the Cardinals (.566) and a sweep of the Pale Hose (.568) but Chicago really wasn't playing well during that stretch.

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Still, 41-40 *IS* a game over .500, and good enough for third place in the Central right now, and we are all thinking that the Tigers are going to the post-season.  Time for a good stiff shot of realism.  Here are the last five years Central Division and Wildcard winners win totals:

             Div     WC

2007     96     94

2006     96     95

2005     99     95

2004     92     98

2003     90     95

So to make the playoffs out of this division is going to require AT LEAST 90 wins.  And that's clinging to some pretty slim odds.  Here's how many games some relevant teams are on pace to win in 2008:

White Sox 91

Twins        88

Rays         97

BoSox       95

Yanquis    86

Angels      96

So again, it's going to take at least 90 and a lot of praying.  What would it take for the Tigers to win 90?  They'd only have to go 49-32 the rest of the way, playing .605 ball.  Here's some more pipe dream numbers for you:

To win    PCT

91           .617

92           .630

93           .642

94           .654

95           .667

96           .679

97           .691

98           .704

99           .716

In case you still don't see that as long odds, go look how many games the Tigers have against Minnesota in the next two weeks.  Seven.  Sure, they could sweep those two series, plus take out Cleveland and Seattle.  But it's not likely. And I have to ask myself if the rookie pitchers are going to look this good all season.  Or if the injuries to Mags and Brendan are going to let some of the recent gains fade quickly into memory.

It's been a great run, and this may not be the peak for the boys this year.  But I think it's time that we ask ourselves "Can we be satisfied finishing third in the Central this year?"  Because that's what this year's Tigers' destiny appears to be.

Now go out there and prove me wrong, Jim.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff. However, it does reflect the views of this particular fan, which is as important as anything else written here at BYB.

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Well this was sobering. Thanks pfuhrmeister!

by explosivo2k2 on Jun 30, 2008 5:00 PM EDT   0 recs

Yeah

thanks for the good feelings, nice thread! last time I checked you dont have to win 90 games to win the division..You have to finish with a better record then the other teams in your division..I realize 90 seems to be the mark..we play 42 against our own division the rest of the year..the teams we need to catch are going to be right there in from of us…Go Tigers!

by PBURGTIGER on Jun 30, 2008 6:40 PM EDT   0 recs

Agree & disagree

I agree that the WC is out of the question. You are also right on the money showing that it will still take a great 2nd half to have a chance at the post season. As we all waited 2+ months for these cats to start playing well each loss reduced their margin for error in the remaining months. This team does not need to continue to play .809 ball (17-4 in their last 21, although it would be nice) to make the playoffs. It cannot afford, though, anymore rough streches. No more 2-7 road trips or 4-5 home stands. They simply must play well from here on out.

Where I disagree is in your assessment that it will take at least 90 wins to take the AL Central. I think it will be the 1st to 90 wins. The CWS are on pace for 91 wins. Although they are a few games under their projected wins, they have also been extremely healthy during the 1st half. The Twins have been winning w/ no power but hitting extremely well w/ RISP which is difficult to maintain for the entire year. While both of those teams could continue to play well, I don’t see it happening. If the Tigers can get to 90 wins (huge if) I believe they will win their 1st division title since ‘87.

by tbliggins on Jun 30, 2008 6:46 PM EDT   0 recs

For what it's worth

Baseball Prospectus’ Playoff Odds Report gives them a 13.6% chance of making the playoffs. That’s a 11.6% chance of winning the division and a 2% chance of grabbing the wild card.

A good series here against the Twins would be a good start to what is still an uphill battle.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 30, 2008 7:09 PM EDT   0 recs

they actually have 3 slightly different odds reports

If you go by ELO Odds Report (which weights recent performance more heavily): 18.7% Playoffs

If you go by Pecota Adjusted Odds Report (which regresses teams to their expected performance): 19.7% Playoffs

Bottom line. Still got an uphill climb.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jun 30, 2008 7:14 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Debbie Downer…

Go Tigers!

baseballbrew.blogspot.com

by Tony K on Jul 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT   0 recs

RE: Great run but...

this apparently was written by a guy who believes that just because a guy hits 3 homeruns on opening day means that he’s going to hit 486 homeruns on the season.

A lot can be said about the Tigers’ poor start, and their potential to make the playoffs. A lot can be calculated and analyzed and this and that and the other right?

Until you realize that Detroit had the best record in baseball last year at the halfway point and they closed the season out horribly. Until you realize that the Tigers are only what, 6 games back of the ChiSux with what, 70+ games left?

Detroit can go barely over .500 the rest of the way and the ChiSux can go barely below .500 the rest of the way and the Tigers could tie them up for 1st place in the division. Good pitching is contagious… good hitting is contagious, same with poor hitting and pitching. Any team can get hot at any moment (just look at the Twins).

Don’t write off the season just yet… give the Sux a chance to fade like they tried to do in 2005.

by Boney on Jul 7, 2008 1:28 PM EDT   0 recs

I would rather fade at the end of the season and win the World Series,

than fade in the WS. OH man thinking back to 06’ and how you gagged that championship away has got to hurt… Also if we fade the Tigers are the team to catch us? HAH! No offense but I am much more worried about the Twins.

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by Where Triples Go to Die on Jul 9, 2008 3:46 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

True

but being absolutely irrelevant the past 2 seasons and being at the bottom of every analyst’s “list” of teams likely to make the postseason even though they’re leading at the break speaks volumes.

There’s only so far Gavin Floyd can take you, before he realizes he’s Gavin Floyd.

by Boney on Jul 9, 2008 4:26 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Win the world series? Focus on the playoffs first, and even if your there in October, no way the Six can handle Chicago’s REAL baseball team. You know, that team from the north side of the city.

Go Tigers!

by Tony K on Jul 13, 2008 12:03 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

No...

This was written by a guy who seems to be one of the few people who realize that it would take a significant letdown by the Pale Hose, a significant letdown by the Twinkies AND a significant burst by the Tigers to even make it interesting.

Or, what I like to call, a realist, and a 40+ year Tiger fan.

Peter

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 12, 2008 9:28 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

or

the fact that I’m a “realist” as well and I realize that it’s on if the Tigers pull within 5 or 4 games of the division lead or the wild card lead.

If you’re within 5 going into September, you have a legit chance and we’re what now 8 back? You make up 3 in mid-July – entire August and then the ChiSux will feel it just like they did in 05 with the Indians chasing them to the very end

by Boney on Jul 13, 2008 4:08 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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