Off-Day Open Thread/Therapy

Okay, I think we could all use a day off from this Detroit Tigers team (which I'm ready to call "The WTF Tigers"), so I wouldn't be surprised if you stayed away from the BYB today. But I like to post these Open Threads on off-days, just in case anyone wants to vent, about anything Tigers-related or otherwise.
Of course, we have the amateur draft today, and when news of Detroit's selection breaks, I'll post something pertinent. Is there a particular direction you'd like to see the Tigers follow today, or are you just ready to see what happens?
We'll also likely see a transaction or two, with Denny Bautista apparently ready to return, Ramon Santiago's shoulder injury, and yesterday's four-run meltdown by Casey Fossum to consider. Anyone you'd like to see called up or shipped out?
And hey, how 'bout those Red Wings? Going to the parade tomorrow?
So the discussion belongs to you. Feel free to add anything you'd like in the comment thread. We're here for each other. Just be nice.
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Yesterday's line up
When I tuned into the game yesterday on mlb.com and saw this line up.. i knew a sweep was almost assured. I mean look at it:
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Carlos Guillen, 3B
3. Marcus Thames, LF
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Jeff Larish, DH
6. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
7. Pudge Rodriguez, C
8. Ramon Santiago, SS
9. Ryan Raburn, 2B
There is absolutely no way this line up could produce. 5 through 9 went 1 for 15 and honestly did you expect anything less? OK first off, it is completely ridiculous to think Larish will come on the scene drive in runs and hit homers. You have to get the kid in the game and let him relax, get in the flow. Leaving him on the bench at the DH spot gives him too much time to think. It’s nerve racking enough, I’m sure, just to get the call up to the bigs. I mean, this is what you’ve been waiting for and you don’t want to blow it. You don’t need this kid to sit around and think about that the whole game in between at bats.
If you want some one to sit around a stew, it should be Cabrera. In my opinion he needs a break because his head is just not there when he steps to the plate. I say put him at DH so he can only think about hitting. We need him to get it together at the plate.
Pudge is a number 9 hitter, period. His hands are just too slow anymore and he looks like a goof at the plate. He can’t catch up and drive good fastballs like he used to. I’m sure every pitcher in the league knows by now if you get two strikes on him just give him high cheese, it doesn’t even have to be close to the strike zone, he’ll wave at it. That said, he’s very valuable to the team, he has to be in there. How many would-be base stealer don’t even attempt to run on him? We’ll never know the answer to that, but I’d assume opposing managers consider him in their decision to put a steal on or not.
Furthermore, What in the world was Jimmy thinking sitting Polanco verse a team he destroys? Not to mention the fact that he’s pretty much the only one who has his bat going right now. I realize every player need a day off, but sitting him in a afternoon game before an off day when he has a hot bat is just dumb, especially because Rayburn has just been terrible this year. .196… yikes!
The only move I thought made sense regarding yesterdays line up was putting in Santiago in place of Renteria. A lot of guys are all over Miggy for not hitting, but what about Edgar? His bat is ice cold right now. He’s 1 for 15 over the last 5 games and how many of those ABs have come with RISP? He did need to get sat down for a game or two and regroup.
So if I was going to run out a line up yesterday that I though at least had a shot to win it would have been: (and of course I’m in no way qualified to manage a big league club, let alone a little league one, it’s just my opinion)
1. Curtis Granderson, CF – This kid is good. He needs to be in there.
2. Placido Polanco, 2B – Great track record vs Oakland pitching
3. Marcus Thames, LF – i think he deserves a shot at being an everyday player
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF – Even if he slumps a bit, this guy is just a great hitter
5. Carlos Guillen, 1B – I feel more comfortable with him at 1B then at 3B.
6. Miguel Cabrera, DH – Needs to sit on the bench with a bat in his hands and think about how to use it like he used to.
7. Brandon Inge, 3B Defense = awesome / Bat = not so much
8. Ramon Santiago, SS – Great D, good hitter, great bench player. How the guy comes in and hits after sitting so long is beyond me.
9. Pudge Rodriguez, C – Slow bat anymore but a legend behind the plate. I don’t think Inge could do a better job.
So what do you think? Am I crazy? Did you feel like yesterdays line up was going to prevent a sweep?
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 5, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Yesterday's lineup
That lineup could’ve been even worse. Jason Beck reported that Leyland wanted to sit Maggs and Pudge, as well, but injuries to Clete and Inge prevented that from happening.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 5, 2008 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shake it up, for real this time
Im sure we all remember the last line up shake up, which wasn’t much of a shake up at all. How about we try that again, but this time actually shake things up. For one, lets get Larish back to toledo and get hessman up. Im starting to think Hessman pissed off leyland or something because i really cant understand why hes not on the roster. Yes he is a lifetime 240 minor league hitter, and everyone likes to call him the “Richie Sexton” of triple a, but what is he is just a late bloomer? And even if he does hit 240, thats better than what they have been batting lately. We need some more pop, regardless of what side of the plate it comes from.
If it was up to me, i would bring up Hessman and brent clevlen, who is also having a great year, and put ramon on the DL and Larish back to toledo. Then make a totally different lineup. Like cannonad said, give cabera a little rest, Something like…
1. ss-Rentria (i know he has been struggling , but this is a guy who as hit at the top of the lineup his whole career, maybe he would be more comfortable)
2. 2b-Polanco (when hes playing good, hes the bets number 2 hitter in baseball)
3. cf- granderson (hes going to be a 3rd hitter some day, why not give it a try now)
4. RF- Maglio (he will hit no matter where he bats)
5. DH-Carlos Guillen (like mags, hes going to hit anywhere if he stays healthy, DH gives him the best chance to do that, not to mention his Roger Dorn like defense this year.)
6. 3B- Mike Hessman (If they ever bring the 21 HR, .287, 38 rbi guy up)
7. 1B- Marcus Thames (im glad hes getting more playing time, but until he can hit for average, keep im him the back third of the lineup, remember all how much the power in the back of the lineup helped us in 06, and remember, this guy was better than cabera at first)
8. LF- Brent Clevlen (He is batting .330 with 13 hr and 55 rbi’s for crying out loud)
9. C- Inge (let him catch like 1 out of every 3 games, that would keep Pudge fresh and maybe his bat would improve.)
Now im not saying this should be any everyday lineup, but they need to do something different. Maybe the guys would actually like a change and have some fun doing it.
by Soper on Jun 5, 2008 3:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like it! Send it over to Leyland & Dombrowski and lets get it started!
Jeff
by cannonad03 on Jun 5, 2008 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers First Round Draft Pick
Ryan Perry – RHP – University of Arizona
Height: 6-4 Weight: 200
Here is the MLB.com Scouting Report on him:
Fastball: Perry threw his fastball anywhere from 93-98 mph and sits comfortably at 96-98 mph when pitching out of the bullpen.
Fastball movement: It has pretty good sink when it’s down in the zone.
Slider: A bit inconsistent, it’s been plus at times, but it can be sweepy and more average. He throws it in the 78-82 mph range.
Changeup: It’s a plus pitch for him. He throws it 82-87 mph with good arm speed and deception. There’s good sink to it as well.
Control: He throws strikes, but has a tendency to elevate the ball in the zone at times.
Poise: He’s got good mound presence and goes right after hitters, especially when coming out of the pen.
Physical Description: Perry is wiry strong, a good athlete who is lean, but pretty physical, kind of like a slightly stronger Brandon Morrow.
Medical Update: A motorcycle accident limited him in his sophomore year, but he’s now healthy.
Strengths: Two plus pitches, with a chance for three. Size and clean arm action say he should be durable.
Weaknesses: He opens up early on his delivery, making it easier for guys to see the pitch coming. He didn’t pitch at all in high school, so he’s still more of a thrower than a pitcher.
Summary: More than one scout has scratched his head about the Arizona right-hander, who has a plus fastball up to 98 mph, a plus changeup and a slider that is a plus at times. Despite this arsenal, he’s been hittable due to a tendency to open up on his delivery too early and keep balls up in the zone. Some see him as a reliever, and he should move quickly that way, but his size, arm action and repertoire say that a patient club could end up with a front-of-the-rotation starter.
It will be interesting to see what kind of plans Dombrowski and the Tigers have in store for him. Clearly he fits into the power pitching mold that the Tigers have sought out in the draft. Oh, and I’d be willing to be that there is a clause in his contract that says “No motorcycles.”
by Grant E. on Jun 5, 2008 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigers don't have Comp Round Pick
Next pick is 2nd Rd., #67 overall.
by Grant E. on Jun 5, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather not talk about the Tigers today. So how about those Wings? Great game last night!
Who here enjoys Ramen noodles as much as I do?
Anyone going on vacation this summer?
Go Tigers
by Tony K on Jun 5, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Champions
Watching the Wings last night brought tears to my eyes, they wanted to win so bad. Both teams played hard and either could have won, but that is a team with real talent and “heart”. It should be mandatory watching for the other pro teams in Detroit.
by densogirl on Jun 5, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love the off-topic!
I’ll be curious to see how many turn out for the parade tomorrow. I’m thinking they won’t draw the 1 million that allegedly came downtown in ‘97 and ‘98. Should still be a great time, though.
I love Ramen noodles – probably more than I should, for health’s sake.
And I think I’ve taken care of my vacationing for the year, outside of a weekend road trip here and there.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 5, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am SO tempted to cut class(es) tommorow and go down there, but I don’t know if a few hours of detention is worth it. I don’t know if anyone else would want to go, too.
And Ramen isn’t that bad for you!
Go Tigers
by Tony K on Jun 5, 2008 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tigers Second-Fourth Round Picks
Round Two : Cody Satterwhite – RHP – University of Mississippi
Height: 6-5 Weight: 200
MLB Scouting Report
Fastball: Satterwhite touched 95 mph and pitched at 92-93 mph.
Fastball movement: He had good movement and life on his fastball.
Slider: It’s a pretty good slider, though inconsistent.
Changeup: His changeup is average at best.
Control: His command is up-and-down because of inconsistencies with his delivery.
Poise: He seems to lack some maturity on the mound at times.
Physical Description: Satterwhite is everything you want from a pitcher, with a tall, lean, projectable body and plenty of room for growth.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: At times, he has electric stuff, particularly with the fastball and slider.
Weaknesses: He gets hit more than he should considering his stuff. Problems with his arm slot and release point have kept him from being consistent.
Summary: Originally the Ole Miss Saturday starter, Satterwhite got bumped to Sundays because of his uneven performance. Scouts still love his body and his arm strength, but he’s gotten hit much more than you’d think he should based on his electric stuff. The issues largely come from inconsistencies in his delivery and despite the subpar season, a team that feels it can tweak his mechanics is still likely to draft the right-hander fairly early.
Round Three: Scott Green – RHP – University of Kentucky
Height: 6-7 Weight: 240
MLB Scouting Report
Fastball: Green can throw his fastball in the 88-93 mph range.
Fastball movement: His fastball has plus life.
Slider: He throws it 78-82 mph and it projects to be average.
Changeup: It’s slightly below-average and he throws it 79-80 mph.
Control: His command is slightly below-average.
Poise: He’s shown some decent poise despite struggles this season, sitting in the bullpen taking abuse from fans without responding.
Physical Description: Green is a big right-hander with a prototypical pitcher’s body, kind of like Ben McDonald and muscular like a Kyle Farnsworth.
Medical Update: He’s had a series of injuries, the most serious one being to his elbow that required Tommy John surgery and forced him to red-shirt in 2006.
Strengths: Size and arm strength.
Weaknesses: Injury history and a bad delivery.
Summary: Green turned down a large bonus offer a year ago when the Red Sox drafted him in the 15th round, hoping he’d have a strong junior season and vault himself into the first round. Whether he sees that kind of money again remains to be seen, but his performance, one that’s seen him taken from the rotation and nearly buried in the bullpen at Kentucky, doesn’t point to a guy who’s going to go early. That being said, his size and arm strength will still be enough to intrigue someone to take a chance.
Round Four: Brett Jocobson – RHP – Vanderbilt
Height: 6-6 Weight: 205
MLB Scouting Report
Fastball: Jacobson threw his fastball 88-91 mph from a downhill plane.
Fastball movement: When he was down in the zone, there was some sink. However, he left his fastball up in this start
Curve: He’s got a big 11-to-5 curve with a lot of depth that is an above-average pitch.
Changeup: His change has a chance to be a plus pitch with more development.
Control: It hasn’t been much of an issue in the past, but he had no fastball command in this start.
Poise: He was OK on the mound in terms of presence.
Physical Description: Jacobson is a big, tall right-hander with some deception to his delivery.
Medical Update: Healthy.
Strengths: Size, which he uses to his advantage on the mound, and the chance to have three average to above-average pitches.
Weaknesses: Some don’t like his less-than-clean delivery, in which he hides the ball behind his shoulder. He’ll need to show better fastball command to garner serious attention.
Summary: With a tall, projectable frame, scouts have always been intrigued with Jacobson. He has the ability to throw three decent pitches - fastball, curve, changeup - for strikes and from a downhill plane. He doesn’t have the prettiest delivery in the world and some issues with fastball command hurt him early on this season, something he’ll have to straighten out to get serious consideration early in June.
The common theme to all of the Tigers picks today is that they all seem to have had mechanical issues. Obviously, Dombrowski tagged these guys that he thought underperformed in college because of correctable problems. Hopefully these guys reward his faith. Congratulations and good luck to all the new Tigers!
by Grant E. on Jun 5, 2008 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: Draft updates
Grant, thanks so much for posting these. We’ll have something on the front page this morning about the draft. And I’m hoping to get some semi-scouting reports from a friend who got to see Perry and Green pitch at the NCAA Regional in Ann Arbor last weekend.
by Ian Casselberry on Jun 6, 2008 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would not be against anyone on the roster getting traded right now. They can keep Porcello, but I don’t think I’d shed many tears if anyone else was traded. I just need to see some different players out there. I’ve had it with this group.
Check out www.spotstarters.com for more news on the Detroit Tigers.
by spotstarters on Jun 5, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the next week
well if their was ever a time to rattle off seven in a row right now would sure be it…dont expect it my self but hey, when you have hit rock bottom….only one freakin direction to go…can you imagine if they did now? they would pass cleveland and probably be inside five games of the division for sure…I know I am dreaming, but man o man way to much talent to be this bad….
by PBURGTIGER on Jun 5, 2008 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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