Game 95: Tigers (47-47) at Orioles (45-48)
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
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Detroit Tigers at Baltimore Orioles, Jul 17, 2008 7:05 PM EDT
Kenny Rogers (6-6, 4.55) vs. 
Garrett Olson (6-4, 5.65)
Jim Leyland may not like getting just three days off, when roughly 75% of the other major league teams gets four, but Detroit's All-Star break comes to an end tonight in Baltimore. The Orioles and Tigers will be the only two American League teams playing tonight.
Both teams enter crucial stretches of their season. Tonight begins an 11-game homestand for the O's, and a successful one could put them back in the AL East race. And we know what's at stake for the Tigers over the next 10 games. A nice run puts them squarely in competition for the AL Central. A bad one could render August and September disappointing, with trade rumors as the juice that keeps things interesting.
July hasn't been very good for Garrett Olson, as he's gotten shelled in his two starts this month. In his last nine innings, he's given up 13 runs (12 earned) and 15 hits. However, Olson hasn't lost in Camden Yards this year, going 3-0 with a 4.28 ERA in six starts. This will be his first time facing the Tigers.
Kenny Rogers hasn't won in his two July starts, either, though he's pitched better than Olson. Against Minnesota in his last outing, Rogers had to settle for a no-decision after seven innings. From there, the Twins made the comeback that rocked the Tigers' world, according to Ron Gardenhire. In 14 career starts at Camden Yards, Rogers has a 4-3 record and 4.22 ERA.
Carlos Guillen won't be in the lineup tonight, as he's back in Detroit to take care of his wife, who just had surgery. Reportedly, everyone is doing fine.
Camden Chat has your SB Nation opposing view for this four-game series.
Short Hops:
- Jason Beck is reporting that Zach Miner will be the starting pitcher for the Tigers on Monday.
- The Daily Fungo discovered some potentially good news for the Tiger Stadium preservation effort at Senator Carl Levin's website.
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Sheffield
Here is a hypothetical way to handle Sheff: make him the leadoff hitter. I realize that his 323 obp would not cut it out of the leadoff spot, but that may increase substantially if his primary objective was to get on base. He has proven that he has the ability to draw walks w/ his 395 career obp and 378 obp last year. There is nothing wrong w/ his wheels as he is 25/30 in sb since coming to Detroit. Batting leadoff would reduce his need to hit for power leaving him to concentrate solely on getting on base.
The toughest thing about attempting this would be how long of a leash to give him there. By hitting him leadoff, you are committing to him playing virtually everyday which is taking ABs away from the Toledo crew who have earned them. Getting an OPS+ of 78 out of the leadoff spot would be crippling, so there would have to be a set time (10 games? 15 games?) to see if he has turned it around. By then, their slim playoff hopes may be completely gone.
So, what do you think? Can a player who has been a power hitter for 20 years flip a switch and swing for the gaps rather than the fences?
by tbliggins on Jul 17, 2008 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Win Probabilities
Vegas gives the Orioles a slight edge in tonight’s game. My Simulator, which has been predicting games over the past two seasons gives the Tigers a 53.39% chance of winning, while AccuScore gives the Tigers a 57% chance of winning. Run totals range from Vegas:10, Simulator:10.49, AccuScore:10.9
vr, Xeifrank
by Xeifrank on Jul 17, 2008 6:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just knew it!!
I knew after bashing Chef for about ten minutes in the pregame he was going to do something…I was telling my Dad that he should be on the bench for Joyce..I love it when someone from my own team tells me to eat it..
by PBURGTIGER on Jul 17, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Starting Lineups
Little bit late with these…
DETROIT
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Marcus Thames, LF
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Gary Sheffield, DH
7. Pudge Rodriguez, C
8. Edgar Renteria, SS
9. Brandon Inge, 3B
BALTIMORE
1. Brian Roberts, 2B
2. Adam Jones, CF
3. Nick Markakis, RF
4. Aubrey Huff, DH
5. Kevin Millar, 1B
6. Melvin Mora, 3B
7. Ramon Hernandez, C
8. Jay Payton, LF
9. Brandon Fahey, SS
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Little bit
Maybe we’re still on our All-Star breaks.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mario
looks a little chubby standing there, lol
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C'mon now
Are the Tigers going to hang onto a lead here?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kenny's
looking a little rough these last 2 innings. Pitch count at 35, not to bad.
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks to the O's baserunning choices
he could be in a lot worse shape
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks,
two weeks with out the internet and TV. I don’t know how i did it when I was little
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oakland
getting rid of there team again, Blanton to the Phillies today.
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm
Pudge to Florida?? Might happen if they are out of it.
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well,
it might not even take being out of it.
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
considering this is probably his last year anyway with Detroit. Might as well get something for him.
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets get Uggla
if we could
by dettigionswings'stons on Jul 17, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watching on the tracker...no TV here...
Is Kenny really getting hammered or are they getting lucky?
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Feels like a quiet three runs, six hits to me. But he’s throwing a lot of pitches.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, crap
That one was hammered by Melvin Mora.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Possum
getting warm, hopefully he can pitch like his last outing…
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeesh.
Need some good innings out of Fossum or Lopez.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 8:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
omg
did he get out of a inning without allowing a run or a a major jam?
by PBURGTIGER on Jul 17, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he better go another good inning now, 1st hit and I bet he’s pulled
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pudge
One first class ticket to South Beach, anyone?
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
not so fast
we’re one pillow mishap away from Dane Sardinha, full-time starter
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like my Sardinha's in mustard..
I agree, Pudge is more than just the catcher, BUT DD is no bone head. If he can improve the team, he will. Will Inge catching daily be a drop off of significance? I don’t really know, but what he could get for him WOULD make the team better…he do it.
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say get rid of Shef and let Guillen DH and Inge back to 3rd
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow,
I’ve seen amputee little league teams run the bases better than the Orioles
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
W.O.W.
How the hell did we get out that inning? Insane.
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 8:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Hammer!
With a moon shot to left!
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hard to believe hes the team leader in homers
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MARCUS!!!!
good to see the break hasn’t slower him
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
slowed him too…
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. Who gets the call in the 7th?
Captain Crookedhat?
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Captain Hook!
Wow, that’s a quick hook on Dolsi! Is this a new approach for Leyland?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bobby
The mediterainian should Get er done here
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
4-6-3 dbl play
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Their line
13h, 4r looks a lot like a bunch of our lines, except we would only have 2 runs..
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ground ball from Rodney
That’s has to be worth a mid-level prospect from someone right?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The last time an Oriole angered Sheff, it didn't go too well for the O's
right, Daniel Cabrera?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inge
Looks like he hasn’t missed a step over there.
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You can tell he just loves playing third base.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like
there’s some pop in these Tiger bats tonight.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If not for Jay Payton
There would be even more on the scoreboard.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Crap
Has anyone seen what the Mud Hens are doing tonight? I was trying to get tickets to see them this weekend, but with Ortiz making a rehab start, all four games are SRO.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
15-1 Pawsox in the 7th
At least Cleven hit an HR, and Clete just got hisself a single.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who the heck is Derek Wathan?
He just hit the salami for the Hens. 15-5
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good inning for Zoom.
Lets get Jonesy one more.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no offense to rook's comment
but I think it’s not to good of a situation, where you have a two run lead and you have to get your closer another one, do yall agree?
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just being greedy.
Jonesy is what he is.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there such a thing
As a comfortable lead with Jones?
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but if he even makes this close I’ll castrate myself
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't do that
Just give yourself a pinch or something.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Slit your wrists if you must
but don’t do THAT.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was kidding but
Jonesy makes me want to punch drywall
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you seen
Jonesy pitch? He is the HAM! Heart Attack Man!
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
unfortunatly i have
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope Detroit wins tonight
so when I wear my orange Tigers hat tomorrow, noone will boo or throw peanuts at me
god I hate Baltimore
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Full pack coming in
Leyland can smoke a full pack of Marlboro reds before Jones will finish the inning
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Since I don't think Matt is here
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
oriole park is beautiful, and Ian that my friend is halarious
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I made it to a game last year
It’s nice, but overrated.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the nice part about it
buying a $9 ticket and sitting front row behind the dugout because noone is there.
The concourse isn’t that great, the seats are uncomfortable and Boog’s BBQ is cold
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed my trip to Balto years ago
But getting to the lightrail after the game was a pain in the ass.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im about to make this gamethread a cussing party
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
El Salvador!
Nothing like a “defensive” replacement, huh?
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ramon
is usually money
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
boney
don’t even bring up 2006
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones
Never does it the easy way, does he.
by Wingz on Jul 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is Rod saying
this is going to be an unintentional, intentional walk?
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I posted it before there was a strike, but ya, I could hear it…
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
markakis
took the biggest cut ive ever seen
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Put Todd
On the trade bus with Fernando
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even better
put him on the same bus as Joe Borkowski
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jonesy? or borowski
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it better be
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im going to puke
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He is sweating
like a hooker on nickle night.
by Zappatista on Jul 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jesus...
hits it to the deepest part of the freaking park
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jones and Rodney for
Brian Fuentes
thank you
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seriously im going to yak on my laptop with every windup
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For the love of Kaline...
Took Curtis all the way to the warning track to catch that ball.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
0-2
dont screw this up
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and....
exhale
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the bag!
Never was a doubt, right?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like Rasheed Wallace once said about buttholes puckering up...
mine did, time to go relax
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Millar is still a douche
put some more pine tar on your helmet, loser
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But... but...
That’s how the Red Sox did it.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well.
The usual hideous ninth, but we get a win.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
oh come on
He keeps it interesting. We’d get bored if we could wheel Rivera out there every night.
I’m kidding.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Who wants to watch a movie where you already know the ending? We get suspense in Detroit!
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
I’m not sure what “closer” is supposed to mean, but putting base runners on EVERY time he comes out can’t be working in Jones’ favor.
I mean he’s getting the job done, but man….JL needs to set aside a pack just for the 9th each game.
by gf206 on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of movies...
Anyone here going to a midnight showing of ‘The Dark Knight’?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couldn't get tickets. Going tomorrow. Yup, I am a dork.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's one of my goals this weekend
find the movie theater in the area, then go see “Dark knight”
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by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Yesterday, we won a game. (In our case, Sunday)
We win today, that is two in a row. We win a game tomorrow, that’s called a winning streak. It has happened before.”
The greatest manager in Indians history, Lou Brown, from Major League II.
by rook34 on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exhibit A
Why the Tigers can’t get back into contention.
Jonesy’ll blow a few of these along the way.
No Dark Knight for me tonight.
by skoneyhill on Jul 17, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey there!
Thanks for stopping by.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I needed a place to vent
figured this was as good as any.
Is the doctor still in?
by skoneyhill on Jul 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Figures
Leyland threatens Sheff and Reneria with reduced playing time in this morning’s paper and they suddenly look like ballplayers tonight.
Kenny Rogers looked every bit of 43 tonight.
by skoneyhill on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearly, he's next
Just threaten to bench him, Jim.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Final Jonesey thought
Instead of making a sandwich, you can just go shop at Art Fairs. That’s a nice option for you these next couple of days.
by skoneyhill on Jul 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather watch Jonesy
Art Fair in this weather isn’t going to do it for me. Wake me up on Sunday when it’s over.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guys
remember, we’re on pace for .500 the rest of the way!
no chance of the playoffs!
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 10:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wait a minute
They’re not on pace to go 68-0 the rest of the way?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 17, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6.5 back
baby steps
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
by rock n rye on Jul 17, 2008 10:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As long as we finish 6.5 games better than the Sox
no matter what “pace” we “forecast”
we’ll be in the playoffs
by Boney on Jul 17, 2008 10:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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