Detroit @ Kansas City GameThread, Jul 22, 2008 8:10 PM EDT

Game 100: Tigers (50-49) at Royals (45-55)

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 6:00 PM EDT in News

Detroit @ Kansas City

Kenny Rogers (7-6, 4.62) vs. Kyle Davies (3-1, 4.59)

You don't suppose the Royals might be a little jittery tonight, do you?

I mean, if I took a beating from somebody and the the next day, the same guy came back and raised his fist at me, I'd flinch. Probably wishful thinking on my part. I mean, as we've said after the Tigers had to swallow a tough loss or pounding, the schedule pushes a team to move on quickly because they have to take the field the next day. Besides, this Tigers team could easily follow up last night's run barrage with a pop-and-sputter effort.

Kenny Rogers is probably hoping his lineup saved some offense for tonight, because he's been giving up some runs lately. In three of his last five starts, Rogers has allowed four runs or more. (In those other two, he allowed three runs.) And in four of those games, opposing lineups got more than eight hits off him. In his last two starts (covering 13 innings), Rogers has given up 20 hits.

When Rogers faced the Royals in Kauffman Stadium earlier this season, they rocked him for seven runs and 11 hits in four innings. Both of these teams are now playing differently than they were back in May, but Rogers' recent history is something to consider. He has lost his last four starts against Kansas City.

Kyle Davies is winless in his last five starts, during which he's posted a 5.25 ERA. Since getting slammed for seven runs by the Orioles earlier this month, Davies has given up a combined six runs in his last two starts (12 2/3 innings). In two starts against the Tigers last season, he compiled a 1-1 record and 3.86 ERA.

Any chance the Royals send Jimmy Gobble back out there tonight? I mean, the best way to forget about a bad outing (10 runs! One inning!) is to get right back on the horse and try again, right?

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Cant wait to see the starting line-ups…where do you get them so far before first pitch?

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 22, 2008 7:19 PM EDT 0 recs

Whoever has it first

MLB.com, Yahoo!, or Jason Beck on his blog, usually.

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up 0 recs

I get them from the Detroit News Online

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up 0 recs

Ask and ye shall receive

Los Tigres
CF Granderson, Curtis
2B Polanco, Placido
3B Guillen, Carlos
RF Ordonez, Magglio
1B Cabrera, Miguel
LF Joyce, Matt
DH Sheffield, Gary
C Rodriguez, Ivan
SS Renteria, Edgar

Royales
LF DeJesus, David
SS Aviles, Mike
2B Grudzielanek, Mark
RF Guillen, Jose
DH Butler, Billy
3B German, Esteban
C Buck, John
1B Gload, Ross
CF Gathright, Joey

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 7:24 PM EDT 0 recs

Starting Lineups

DETROIT

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Matt Joyce, LF
7. Gary Sheffield, DH
8. Pudge Rodriguez, C
9. Edgar Renteria, SS

KANSAS CITY

1. David DeJesus, LF
2. Mike Aviles, SS
3. Mark Grudzielanek, 2B
4. Jose Guillen, RF
5. Billy Butler, DH
6. Esteban German, 3B
7. John Buck, C
8. Ross Gload, 1B
9. Joey Gathright, CF

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 7:24 PM EDT 0 recs

Now THAT is service

Double the pleasure, double the fun.

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 7:25 PM EDT 0 recs

Ha ha

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up 0 recs

Thanks

I appreciate it, however I do not appreciate Edgar Renteria or Gary Sheffiel din the line up anymore..I know Edgar has been playing hard thru an injury but he has done nothing all year..and they pure reason we got him was Guillen is getting older and his range at short was not that good anymore..and Now Renteria suffers from the syndrome…and Santiago has looked pretty good with the bat so far this year..why not give him 4-5 starts in a row and see what he does..rest the injured old guy..and I think you know how I feel about Gary Sheffield..I dont care if Thames bats .100 against lefties..he should be in the line up of Sheffield

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 22, 2008 7:35 PM EDT 0 recs

No real argument

Your points are valid, but I believe that what our friend Jimmy is doing is basically giving them one last chance. Perform now, or we’ll replace you. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just my feeling.

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 7:41 PM EDT up 0 recs

Whats up guys?

Edgar Renteria = Trade Deadline

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 7:49 PM EDT 0 recs

my entire family is big Leyland fans including my self..but I thought his job was to put the line up together that he thought gives us the best chance to win…I do not see how anyone that watches the Tigers day in and day out could think Chef gives us a better chane then Thames???

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 22, 2008 7:50 PM EDT 0 recs

That’s pretty muche exactly how I feel.

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up 0 recs

Management

One of the things that makes a good manager in any line of work is balancing egos. I believe that that is what made Joe Torre so good in NYC. He had to balance all those superegos all the time. Leyland has to put the best lineup he can on the field, but he has to do so without creating personality issues. Like it or not, they can damage a team, whether it’s a baseball team or a crew working for the power company.

It’s doing both at the same time that makes a manager good.

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up 0 recs

On the other hand...

Sheffield has looked better in the past few games, in part because Leyland HAS cut back on his playing time. Sheffield and Joyce have hot bats at the moment, so Thames is out tonight, but certainly not for long. If Leyland can keep working Sheff back to his normal self, THAT gives us a better chance to win. Gary is one of the best hitters of his generation, and if Leyland sees increasing production, he will continue to get starts. I will, however, be accepting arguments that Renteria in the lineup is hurting our chances.

by Grant E. on Jul 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up 0 recs

Renteria

See, I only have two problems with Edgar. His fielding and his batting. Other than that, he’s a FABULOUS player!

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

When your batting .224 and have 7 hr’s and your getting paid 12 million you better not have much to say when the manager says HEY I gotta a guy with 19 hr’s and 54 rbi’s i think he deserves to be the every day starter on this team..we will use you as needed

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 22, 2008 8:01 PM EDT 0 recs

Our Favorite Oriole

Apparently Luke Scott’s heroics this weekend have earned him some recognition. He just received an intentional walk in the 4th inning. Granted, it was to set up the force, but still…

by Oost on Jul 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT 0 recs

Sorry cant get off this subkect..thats like telling me Darren McCarty should have started over Franzen because its better for the locker room..who cares about the 15 or so playoff goals we would not have around…it just doesnt make sence..now I am done lets play some baseball!!

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 22, 2008 8:08 PM EDT 0 recs

Thames vs. Sheffield

I think the question is whether or not Thames is really an everyday player. Sure, like everyone else, I’d love to see him get a chance. Who knows what he could do with more at-bats? But why hasn’t he ever gotten them? What does Leyland see (or not see) that has always prevented him from committing?

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up 0 recs

i think he see the amount they are paying sheff and feels pressured to give him more at bats.

by HavocRox on Jul 22, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up 0 recs

I think Thames has shown over the past few years that he strikes out waaaaay too much. His numbers have been up mostly against lefties…..just saying this could add to the overall feeling. With the way Joyce has been playing, it makes for a pretty omptimal platoon…me thinks

by Zappatista on Jul 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up 0 recs

No Jimmy Gobble

Via Billfer, the Royals put him on the DL today.

So his back was the reason he gave up 10 runs?

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 8:09 PM EDT 0 recs

I think his ASS should be hurting

After the way those Tiger batters pounded him last night.

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up 0 recs

grandy helped him out there!

Check out Tony K and (tigs) jimdale's blog at baseballbrew.blogspot.com

by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 22, 2008 8:12 PM EDT 0 recs

GRANDERSON JUST POPPED OUT ON A 3-1 COUNT. Leyland needs to get on him.

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT 0 recs

TWICE! UNREAL!

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:13 PM EDT 0 recs

polly did too there tk

Check out Tony K and (tigs) jimdale's blog at baseballbrew.blogspot.com

by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT 0 recs

That should be two on, no outs.

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:14 PM EDT 0 recs

no batting gloves

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 22, 2008 8:15 PM EDT 0 recs

CG

looks pretty fleet of foot these days, especially compared to how he limped around a lot last year.

by Zappatista on Jul 22, 2008 8:16 PM EDT 0 recs

time to move him back to short and dump that waste of space renteria

by HavocRox on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

INGE

I really, really want to see Inge play there a game. (REALLY)

by Zappatista on Jul 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT up 0 recs

i think with his footwork he would do more than fine

by HavocRox on Jul 22, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up 0 recs

Fire up the diesel boys!

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT 0 recs

that's the maggs we've come to know!

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 22, 2008 8:18 PM EDT 0 recs

Please

Let’s not score 6 runs in the first.

Please

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT 0 recs

Let’s get seven

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up 0 recs

Keep clearing the bags

MAGS!

by Zappatista on Jul 22, 2008 8:19 PM EDT 0 recs

Who can clear the sacks, and go back to back?

Go Tigers!
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by Tony K on Jul 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT 0 recs

Davies...

this guy is going to go about four innings if all goes well for him.

Check out www.spotstarters.com for more news on the Detroit Tigers.

by spotstarters on Jul 22, 2008 8:20 PM EDT 0 recs

I think we're fine

Since Nate Robertson isn’t starting.

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT 0 recs

Uh-oh

I just used “we.” I try so hard not to do that. :-)

Bless You Boys

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 22, 2008 8:22 PM EDT up 0 recs

I know...

I catch myself doing that from time to time.

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by spotstarters on Jul 22, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up 0 recs

Tired Arm

If our rotation was more stable, say D train was actually that this year, a train; don’t you think Nasty Nate would be looking at 15 day stint on the DL ala last year?

by Zappatista on Jul 22, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up 0 recs