Game 102: White Sox (57-43) at Tigers (52-49)
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 5:00 PM EDT
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Gavin Floyd (10-6, 3.52) vs. 
Nate Robertson (6-8, 5.69)
Given that the Detroit Tigers "had" to win three out of four from the Minnesota Twins before the All-Star break and three out of four from the Baltimore Orioles after the mid-season recess, and only won four of those eight games, I hesitate to suggest what needs to be done this weekend against the Chicago White Sox. But winning this series would certainly make the AL Central race extremely interesting.
Gavin Floyd began this season looking like an AL Cy Young Award candidate, but maybe beating the Tigers in his first two starts of the year had something to do with that. In those two games, Floyd allowed just three runs in 13 1/3 innings. And in that second start, he had a no-hitter going through 7 1/3 innings.
But as we know now, that was a different Tigers team. And it was against these same White Sox that Detroit finally started to play like a team interested in competing for a post-season spot, sweeping a three-game series from Chicago in early June. Since then, the Tigers are 23-12, a .657 winning percentage. Add those three games, and it's .684.
And who knows what that record could be if Nate Robertson wasn't going through one of his worst stretches of the season?
Robertson is winless in his previous five starts, and last Saturday against Baltimore was the sour, rotten cherry on top. He not only couldn't hold the 6-0 lead he was given in the first inning, he couldn't even pitch through three innings. It was an absolutely terrible performance, and despite being a fan favorite, I think people are as down on Nate as they've ever been. Pitching well tonight would go a long, long way to restoring some confidence for all involved.
South Side Sox has your SB Nation opposing view for this weekend's series.
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Tonight
Hopefully, Nasty Nate can bring it back to the good side…but I will be missing the festivities as the IMA (Indianapolis Musuem of Art) has Friday night movies outside in their ampitheater. Tonight you ask? The Big Lebowski under the stars, and you know the dude has to abide. I’ve got the caucasians on ice, and a few oat soda’s.
Go Tigers.
Is WGN showing the game tonight? I’ve gotten accustomed to watching the games on tv again after having four games on local cable for me against Baltimore and getting to watch the KC series due to the Extra Innings free preview.
Back to the laptop screen and mlb.tv for me…
Box score
Where is it? Not on here….not on Yahoo…..20 minutes to game time…..I need to set up my fantasy line up?
Lineups
Sox
O Cabrera, SS
AJ Pierzynski, C
C Quentin, LF
J Dye, RF
J Thome, DH
P Konerko, 1B
N Swisher, CF
J Fields, 3B
A Ramirez, 2B
Tigres
C Granderson, CF
P Polanco, 2B
C Guillen, 3B
M Ordonez, RF
M Cabrera 1B
M Joyce, LF
G Sheffield, DH
I Rodriguez, C
E Renteria, SS
Role Call
Pale Hose
SS Cabrera, Orlando
C Pierzynski, AJ
LF Quentin, Carlos
RF Dye, Jermaine
DH Thome, Jim
1B Konerko, Paul
CF Swisher, Nick
3B Fields, Josh
2B Ramirez, Alexei
Kitties
CF Granderson, Curtis
2B Polanco, Placido
3B Guillen, Carlos
RF Ordonez, Magglio
1B Cabrera, Miguel
LF Joyce, Matt
DH Sheffield, Gary
C Rodriguez, Ivan
SS Renteria, Edgar
wish I was from Michigan so I knew what this stuff is.
Being down here in ‘bama, I’m missing the official drink of my adopted home (Maine) which is the one and only Moxie.
feels a bit like a playoff game doesn't it?
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meh...
trying to. nate needs to get them off on the right foot.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
man, you just jinxed that...
sorry, i’m a bit on edge.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey MacRae
Inge played SS and was a relief pitcher in college…..
Check Wiki
(From a posting in the Trade Subject prior to the thread)
I had written to move Inge to SS. macRae said he never played there.
I had said a few days ago to....
move Guillen back to SS and Inge to 3B, but then I thought more about it…..on Inge’s days off or backing up Pudge that would be too much moving back and forth from 3B to SS for Guillen
let's make floyd throw some pitches...
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only in the national league west
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i think that's a different jason johnson...
i could be wrong though.
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wow...
its the same one. wow.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Just like KC
get the starter to 100 by the 5th, and feast on the bullpen
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
I'd have like to have seen more runs..
But it was nice to see Floyd have to work to get out of the inning. Hopefully the Tigers can keep it up. Nothing worse than one of those 6-7 pitch innings.
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Who is that guy with the glasses?
And what has he done with Nate Robertson?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
Resurrect the WGN question
ok, so apparently, they’re not showing it tonight, but is WGN carrying any of the series this weekend?
Just wondering if I might be able to watch a little Tigers baseball over the next couple of days….and not just listen to the sox broadcast on the radio….which, to be honest, is pretty good, a hell of a lot better than the Cubbies with the utterly worthless (except for laughing at how bad he is) Ron Santo for color commentary….
awright, lemme just get this out of the way right now....
Perfect game thru 2! WOO HOO!
(ducking and running away)
:-)
argue renteria...
get kicked out. pleases.
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cleveland..
leads the twins 4-0 in the 2nd.
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I'll settle for a win.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Out of the jam
If Nate can keep hitting his spots, I like the Tigers chances
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
wow...
that’s why you gotta love granderson.
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if maggs...
gets doubled up here, i’ll be very upset.
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It's not just you...
Hell, even Maggs and Miggy are going for the extra base!
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too bad we're stuck here...
and those lucky ducks at the stadium get to party.
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if joyce homers...
i’ll give everyone here a quarter.
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nope...
no dice.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
does pierzynski have bleached hair?
what a tool.
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yep...
i think we can take that. good start to the series.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
stupid pudge.
trade him to the marlins for mike rabelo.
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marlins have a pretty good SS
but I’m not one of those fools who says “trade Pudge for Hanley Ramirez”
yeah...
i don’t know of anyone who would suggest that.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
i like the sound of that.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Jeremy Guthrie
the last opposing starter to make it a full 6 innings against the tigers
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
yep...
6-4-3
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
wow...
thome should have struck out twice in that at bat.
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Floyd's at 70 pitches
Nate’s at 48. They could chase Floyd this inning, if they can get another rally going.
yep...
and the tigers have had runners in each inning.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, yes. Steve Kemp
One of my all-time favorite Tigers. I was crushed when he was traded for Chester Lemon. Crushed, I tell you.
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yeah...
that deal worked out okay for the tigers. I’m also going to say that you don’t remember that trade happening.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It's funny. I remember exactly where I was when I heard it. I was NOT happy.
Sure, it did work out, as Kemp was never the same player after he left. Especially after he took that batting practice line drive to the head while a Yankee.
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no offense...
but i didn’t think you were that old. that trade was 27 years ago.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
None taken...
I was a couple of years out of high school when that trade went down. Yep, I’m old. lol
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Twins...
trail the Indians 5-1 in the 5th inning.
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this really could be a huge weekend.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Good evening, all
Just back from dinner. Like what I see on the scoreboard.
If it turns for the worse, of course, I will leave upon request.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 8:24 PM EDT reply actions
time for you to leave ian.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions
The Yankees just fired the first trade salvo.
Pirates just traded them Xavier Nady and Damaso Marte for “prospects.”
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i just saw that as well...
surprised the yanks gave up jose tabata.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
good for them...
good to see the little guys get something from the enemy.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
Who would have thought Nate Robertson would be the one to neuter Carlos Quentin?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
I was one fly ball away
From leaving the room.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT reply actions
yeah, that was a close call.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
offers on the table again...
a joyce HR gets everyone a quarter.
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and no...
a walk doesn’t get you a penny.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Whomever is sitting next to the dude whistling
Must be deaf.
If you’re not watching on TV, you have no idea what I’m talking about. Sorry.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply actions
Freddy Sez?
That guy is awesome. Lived with a bunch of Yankee fans in college. He’s like 83 and he goes to games for free.
by dettigionswings'stons on Jul 25, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to be sexist and say...
That a woman couldn’t bring the whistle like that.
Of course, I could be wrong. I’ve heard some mothers bring it for their kids.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions
the answer to the question
is Hawk Harrelson, and always will be
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
Back to the Yankees/Pirates trade
According to Baseball America’s rankings, the Pirates got the Yankees:
3 prospect (Tabata)#9 prospect (Ohlendorf)
#17 prospect (Kontos)
Coke didn’t make the top 30 prospects.
Quite a haul for the Pirates.
I think...
Tabata’s stock has fallen though, I believe.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
he's hitting .248 this season..
and is overweight.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
maybe he’ll never live up to the hype. On the other hand he could struggle for 2 years and still be a 21 year old in double A.
He's the new Aaron Rowand
Throwing his body around with reckless abandon.
Glad to hear he’s okay, in terms of movement.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
i see they recently...
dropped him to ninth in the lineup and were thinking about sending him down. his OBP is below .300.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
not to toot my horn
but on my blog preview of the series:
Nate Robertson wows us in an un-Nate performance Friday, but the bullpen blows it.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 25, 2008 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions
isn't matt capps already the closer?
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Grabow or Yates?
They wouldn’t make Bautista the closer, would they?
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Slow clap for Nate
We’ve been hard on him over the past five days. But when he’s good, he’s good.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
I figured NAte would give up 5 hits
I just expected them to be all in one inning, not over 7
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
Can we see Zumaya shut a door, please?
I’m really starting to wonder if he’s ready to be the closer.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply actions
That. Was. Crushed.
Chicks dig the long ball.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions
Ya Know What This Means
Jones in for the 9th probably….........
Interesting Joyce is batting against the lefty
Must be keeping him in for defense over Thames. I like Thames’ defense though – he’s made some good running catches
I know.....
and I put him in my fantasy line-up as soon as the roster was put up…..
He’ll be at ABC Warehouse signing autographs for Gloves for Kids tomorrow.
Twins - Gomez
Check out the Twins video highlights tonight.
Haven’t seen it yet, but read that he made a leaping catch against the wall then had to be carted off.
you would think an usher would tell that whistler to stop
People keep encouraging him by shouting CHARGE!
What % chance is there the Tigers win this thing?
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Rafael Perez just did the Tigers a huge favor
he relieved Masa Kobayashi with none out and the tying run on second and managed to lock down the save, and the Indians win.
i thought that was maybe a joke.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to much to hope for
No 1-2-3 inning for Jonesy.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
yeah...
that’s why he sucks. this guy drives me insane.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
it is...
that’s all it is. and really fucking frustrating.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
look at it this way
if they were going to lose a game, it was going to be one that Robertson started. Besides, he didn’t really pitch that great tonight, either.
I like your attempt
but there’s really very little positive to come out of blowing a 4-1 lead.
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 25, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
There was only 1 run on the board when he left though
by explosivo2k2 on Jul 25, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I dare someone to defend todd jones right now...
I will argue you to my death. he’s worthless. he has no value. none.
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there is no point..
in him being on the roster. he does nothing that couldn’t be filled in by any other reliever we have. he has nothing to offer.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions
yes yes yes...
thank you.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm done
I’ve been a Jones apologist for years.
I’m done.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 25, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
thank you, and...
it’s about time.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I got nothing.
No other team in the majors has to put up with this.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 25, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
When your closer has an era of 5
He’s NOT a closer.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 25, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
you jones...
will talk after this thing and try to be noble and say he let his team down and it’ll be super annoying. i hate when he does that. the only acceptable words he can say tonight are…
“i am announcing my retirement, affective immediately”
anything less than that and he’s wasting his fat breath.
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agreed.
i am livid.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that fat bastard pic
shoulda been for jones
by dettigionswings'stons on Jul 25, 2008 9:58 PM EDT reply actions
worst loss of the season. the worst.
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Pay attention Dave
Jenks did what a closer does. The Tigers do not have a closer. Go get them one, now
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hey...
“todd jones has over 300 saves. he makes it interesting but almost always gets the job done.”
dont you hate when people say that?
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
That was me
But no more. It’s gone too far.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 25, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Huge, huge pressure
on JV tomorrow. Hope he is up to it. A team he has not had much success against, in a spot where we really cannot afford a loss.
anyone live in the lansing area?
let’s go to a bar.
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feel free to blog mad first
I need some entertainment
by Kurt Mensching on Jul 25, 2008 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
oh, i'm all over it.
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by spotstarters on Jul 25, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That's it.
I’ve been real good about taking the ups and downs in stride this season. But this loss makes me feel like I’m about to cry.
I’m serious.
I threw my cell phone when the final out was made. I have zero respect for the White Sox and to see them celebrate on our field makes me sick to my stomach. Especially after watching that jackass manager of theirs pissing and moaning in the dugout the pitch before.
That’s a two-game swing right there.
I feel an uncensored blog post coming.
I feel like I just got kicked in neck.
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Honestly,
games like this make me wonder why I do this to myself. And it feels like we have had way too many of these moments this season.
sickening
i am sick to my stomach. how much longer is leyland going to stick by this guy? my grandfather is asking what kind of batteries we should bring with usfor tomorrows game to throw at jones.
i know you’re always suppose to stick by your team and the players on that team, but i’ve had it with jones after this. terrible.
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