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Game 104: White Sox (59-43) at Tigers (52-51)

Chicago White Sox at Detroit Tigers, Jul 27, 2008 1:05 PM EDT


Javier Vazquez (7-8, 4.57) vs. Zach Miner (4-3, 3.73)

Trying to keep the damage to a minimum is what the Tigers are left with in today's series finale.  Detroit came into the weekend 5 1/2 games behind the White Sox, and if they can keep the deficit at 6 1/2... well, that's better than 8 1/2.  So is staying above .500.

Javier Vazquez is winless in his last five starts, but that doesn't necessarily reflect how he's pitched.  Vazquez threw 10 strikeouts versus Texas in his previous outing, but served up one home run ball to Josh Hamilton, and that was the difference in the game.  The Tigers got to Vazquez the last time they faced him, tagging him for five runs and 10 hits in six innings.  Before that, however, Vazquez shut them out over seven innings.  In both games, Detroit struck out nine times. 

Zach Miner was exactly what the Tigers needed in his first start of the season against the Royals, allowing no runs and just three hits in six innings.  For one game, anyway, Miner looked like the answer to Detroit's season-long quest for a fifth starting pitcher.  But both as a starter and reliever, Miner has struggled against the White Sox.  As a starter in 2006, Miner had an 0-2 record and 13.50 ERA, throwing just 6 1/3 innings.  As a reliever this season, he has a 9.00 ERA in just four innings. 

In today's Freep, John Lowe points out that Magglio Ordonez can do something that hasn't been done in 32 years if he gets three hits for the fifth straight game.  The last player to have a streak like that was George Brett, who got three hits in six straight games back in 1976.  Maggs' recent hit parade has him tied for second place in the AL batting race at .324, four points behind the Rangers' Ian Kinsler.

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Starting Lineups

WHITE SOX

1. Orlando Cabrera, SS
2. A.J. Pierzynski, C
3. Carlos Quentin, LF
4. Jermaine Dye, RF
5. Jim Thome, DH
6. Paul Konerko, 1B
7. Nick Swisher, CF
8. Alexei Ramirez, 2B
9. Juan Uribe, 3B

DETROIT

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Gary Sheffield, DH
7. Marcus Thames, LF
8. Pudge Rodriguez, C
9. Edgar Renteria, SS

No Sunday line-ups today. Think Jimmy wants a win?

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 12:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but

Renteria’s in the lineup so he must not want to win that badly.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WGN

They better play well today, or I may become homicidal having to listen to these jack asses…..

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think I'll watch with the sound off

Actually I have to take my little one to 4H camp today in this horrible thunderstorm, so I’m going to TiVo it and watch when I get home.

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 27, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why am I here?

I thought I was taking today off…

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I am going to have to step away

my blood pressure is already elevated!

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

we already have a “you can put it on the board!” I fucking hate AJ gay and the announcers, and, and (you get the point?)

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Fellow Game Thread Participants

I shall work hard to keep my anti-Renteria comments to a minimum.

Yours,
Mike

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's the story

of this season. Yes, the Tigers can tie a game but, the recent series against KC notwithstanding, can NOT pile on the runs.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

just got in from doing yard wok

Hows Zach been doing?

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Question

The Tigers seem to have “killers” on every team—i.e., “That guy kills the Tigers.” Joe Crede, Joe Mauer, Casey Blake, Jim Thome, Pierzynski, etc. Do the Tigers have anyone that other teams feel kills them?

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

looking quickly

Polly is hitting .430/.472/.593 (1.025 OPS) in his career against Oakland.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kenny Rogers

he also seems to always do well against the A’s

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good work

Thanks for the quick reply on that one!

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, that's a good one

I’m not sure I have an answer.

But maybe that’s because Neifi is no longer on the team.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

in his first 34 plate appearances against the Indians

Cabrera is hitting .441/.429/.853 (1.282 OPS) with 4 HRs and 14 RBI.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course

Miggy is good, so I guess it’s not too surprising he’s beat up on some of the AL teams so far.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GRANDY!

put that on the board

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WGN

No “Put it on the board…. Yes!” for that HR by Curty. I wonder why?

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just tuned in

(with the bonus Get the game on WGN, so actually get to watch it on the TV (in HD no less)) for the first time this series.

When did Uribe start rocking the “supervillian henchman blonde goatee and glasses”?

aaaaaaaaand way to give away an AB shef.

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was going to stay away from thje game thread

but I can’t help myself. I was ready for more emotional distress, but so far, so good.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Deepest sympathies to those out-of-staters without XM

i couldn’t take more that 5 minutes of Homer Harrelson

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes,

the mute button is in place…

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just happy to have it on TV, and not being forced to watch on the notebook.

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how many ABs since Marcus went yard?

he’s going deep sometime today

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach Miner

has been worth a few months of Kyle Farnsworth. He looks good today.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jermaine Frickin' Dye

Comerica Park just cannot hold this guy.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I dislike Jermaine Dye in his professional capacity as a baseball player for the White Sox. I am sure he is an ok guy outside of that role. If not, I hope he is susceptible to rashes.

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than AJ?

because I can’t honestly say that…

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Cheaterynski is a case all onto himself.

No one in their right mind would like him.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I just hear that?

Harrelson just called Juan Gonzalez the biggest boner in MLB history?

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Harrelson is in the running for that distinction

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly

The WGN telecast is blacked out here in metro Detroit.

It’s really breaking me up. No Hawk and DJ?

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Selig

That is what I don’t get. Yesterday, I am blacked out from watching it on MLBtv as I am close to Chicago (Indianapolis), BUT they were playing in DETROIT? Really, how in the hell does that work?

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

blackout rules are dumb

I’m in Mobile, AL and am blacked out from seeing the Braves (5 hr drive), Rays (7 hr drive), and Marlins (10 hr drive). Only the Braves are shown on TV here.

Also, the Astros (7 hr drive) and Rangers (10 hr drive), aren’t blacked out.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Mario

said he disagreed. Rod probably didn’t want to go there.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edgar!

he should do that every at-bat

http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/

by rock n rye on Jul 27, 2008 2:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Mario and Rod

I loved how Rod mentioned that Pudge caught Vazquez in the World Baseball Classic, as if it may have had something to do with him getting a hit.

Then Mario asks, “Do you think that helps him?”

Rod: “Not really.”

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

gotta love Rod Allen

they’ve got 162 of these things to do, gotta dig deep (unless you’re Joe Morgan, he only watches the 20 or so games he broadcasts)

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sso coming up...

Cleveland, Tampa Bay, CWS, Oakland, Toronto and Baltimore in the next 20 games, with the Oakland, Toronto and Baltimore at home. I like what the Tigers could do especially on the road in Cleveland and that homestand. Just taking that series in Chicago will obviously be key. Going to need some luck as the White Sox, play nearly the same lineup of teams. Having them get swept by the Red Sox and struggle against the Royals will help. Tigers get some relief help and go 15-5 or better and the Tigers are probably no more than 3 out going into the end of August.

by dettigionswings'stons on Jul 27, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it's not the toughest schedule

especially seeing as the A’s, Toronto, and Baltimore may trade off some guys between now and then. It’s good that the White Sox still have 7 against the Red Sox and 4 in New York. Really kind of need a sweep in Chicago now though, even if they get this win today…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

News You Can't Use

Just saw this tidbit in Buster Olney’s column today:

Rondell White is Mets manager Jerry Manuel’s son-in-law.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

saw that too

he says ” From Mark Simon of ESPN Research, on Albert Pujols’ home run: The last opposing player to hit a game-winning HR at Shea Stadium in the 14th inning or later: Rondell White, 1997 Expos (15th inning). This would be fairly insignificant, but for one thing … Rondell White is Mets manager Jerry Manuel’s son-in-law.”

An interesting tidbit, but I still think it’s fairly insignificant.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Hammer!

rock n rye gets the psychic award today

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Another solo shot

Still wondering why Marcus didn’t hit for Renteria in the ninth inning on Friday night.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Truly baffling

It’s not like there wasn’t defensive help on the bench for later innings.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

jones

anyone hear the news about jonesy today?

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nah tigers.com is reporting that he is no longer our closer. leyland has handed over the closing role to rodney.

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just saw it

Your new closer… Fernando Rodney.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shaved his 'stache again?

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why isn't Thames playing every day?

I could care less about his average, the man a threat to go deep every AB.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 2:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like seeing Joyce get some AB’s too

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

That makes Jones absolutely irrelevant.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when i read that i will admit it made my weekend a whole lot better

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

more irrelevant. Irrelevanter?

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

saw it abot the smae time you did, Mike

but now I wonder what inning we’ll have to suffer through Jones on. 7th? 8th?

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hopefully

just on the bus, riding out of town….

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree. ill chip in for his one way ticket

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice double by Renteria

Swisher made a bad turn in centerfield, but who knows if he gets to that ball anyway.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

7th inning Zumaya, 8th inning jones?? i hope not

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Todd Jones

in all seriousness, is he a candidate to be DFA’ed?

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt it

They’d probably have done it rather than the demotion.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't imagine him pitching set-up

Jones can’t strike anyone out. Do you want to see him come in with two runners on and no outs?

If he’s not closing, he has no role on this team.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering the only thing he's capable of is closing,

Yes.

He can’t do any other job in the pen.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he cant even close anymore

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

Or he could be packaged in a deadline deal as a throw-in.

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Traded to some random team

I’ll say the Pirates, because the ‘stache would look kickin in a Pirate costume.

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe zoom back in the 8th after a 5 pitch inning

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i doubt dolsi. he pitched 2 last night if i remember right

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Probably not today but maybe going forward: Zumaya/Dolsi/Rodney. Or flip Zumaya and Dolsi?

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now that was the sort of inning I expect from Zumaya

I just wish we’d seen more of it.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could be a give back

to the O’s for Sherrill, although, I am not in love with that move…

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i cant stand his hat hahahahaha

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not straight up,

I meant throw him in with the “prospects” they want….

by Zappatista on Jul 27, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Tigers have what they want

I’ve read they’re looking for a shortstop.

So are the Tigers.

They’re going to one two prime puzzle pieces, and I don’t see Detroit affording that .

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Umm

Jones and Sheff + 25 pizza franchises for Jack Wilson?

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I have to admit

that I don’t know much about Wilson but his name has been thrown around for a couple years. What’s the story on him?

by MikeMcClary on Jul 27, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

bats like Renteria

but he’s one of the best gloves in the league, you often read.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

this means Leyland CANNOT ask Fernando to pitch both the 8th and 9th

Which I feel coming anyway.

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 3:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Fingers are crossed the injury is NOT serious

but with Zumaya, you never know. The kid could get hurt just moving boxes…

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can't tell what happened

Zumaya’s not favoring anything, and Rand didn’t check anything during the meeting on the mound.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I rewound the DVR, and I didn't see anything out of the ordinary either

Your guess is as good as mine as to what the Hell is wrong with Zoom.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike – you are NOT the last to see that Rodney is the new closer. I didn’t have a clue till they just brought him in.

Today’s potential injury not withstanding – any clue why the 5.00+ ERA Rodney is the new closer over the 1.65 ERA of Zumaya?

by tplants on Jul 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rodney's the new closer?

Is that what I just heard over the radio?

by gf206 on Jul 27, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rodney

threw 12 pitches on the 25th, and threw before that on the 22nd. He could pitch the 9th if he can make quick work here.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

meet the new closer

same as the old closer

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m with the adorable little kid. “Rodney’s got this one in the bag, no problem.”

by tplants on Jul 27, 2008 3:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Like I said….

(GAH!)

by tplants on Jul 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say send Rodney out there next inning anyway

bottom of the lineup coming up, he had to come in when he wasn’t expecting to and was out of sorts there, I think he could get the job done in the 9th.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he's at 19 pitches

I suppose you could use him but you’re pretty much taking him out of the next day’s game by doing so.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

they absolutely cannot run Jones out there

the same day Leyland says he lost his job.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was jesting on Jones

I’d be fine with Dolsi frankly. I think Leyland was safer when he wasn’t making concrete announcements

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jump for Joyce

good to see him pinch hit

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 27, 2008 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like he was removed as a precaution

rather than it being something catastrophic.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just back from picking up some Whitecaps autographs and.....

just picked up Rodney as a fantasy closer…...

Hmmmmm….let’s see if I just jinxed him like I jinxed Zoom Zoom when I picked him up in the bottom of the 9th in Baltimore…...

Here we go…..

by MSU4LIF on Jul 27, 2008 3:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whitecaps? where you from?

by HavocRox on Jul 27, 2008 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Now reside in Grand Rapids

Raised in Sterling Heights

by MSU4LIF on Jul 27, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See that

Thats Rodney’s Ladder!

by Juskimo on Jul 27, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

whew

Weekend wasn’t a total disaster.

by Kurt Mensching on Jul 27, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Could have been worse...

But not by much.

Still, 6.5 back is better than 8.5. Baby steps…

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

All Hail our new CLOSER

The man with the tilted cap -

FERNANDO RODNEY

(needs a nickname btw)

by MSU4LIF on Jul 27, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Finally, a win over the Sox!

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 27, 2008 3:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well that rescues the weekend…I would’ve been pretty grumpy tmw if we got swept

by gf206 on Jul 27, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Huuu

Haven’t written before because I didn’t want to jinx it. Now it’s official. 6-4 Tigers, at last a win . Rodney with 3 K in the 9th. Unfortunately, the Twinkies have done it again in Cleveland.

Greetings from Germany. Dirk

by Germantiger on Jul 27, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

did JL say anything about what’s happening to jones?

by gf206 on Jul 27, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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