Game 85: Tigers (42-42) at Mariners (33-51)
by Ian Casselberry
on Jul 3, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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Detroit @ Seattle
Justin Verlander (4-9, 4.42) vs. 
Carlos Silva (4-9, 5.69)
After losing a series for the first time in their last seven match-ups, the Tigers head back out to the Pacific Northwest to play the Mariners, who provided Detroit with some wins even when they weren't playing that well. The Seattle ballclub has a bit of a different look to it since they last faced the Tigers, with both the field manager and general manager getting fired, and the roster (as well as ownership, perhaps?) likely undergoing a reconstruction.
So which 4-9 pitcher would you rather have starting for your team?
Justin Verlander has racked up high pitch counts in his last two outings, which has to be a concern for the Tigers. (Maybe that factored into the thinking of calling up Aquilino Lopez to take over for Zach Miner in middle relief.) But Verlander has allowed two runs or less in his last four starts, so he's keeping the game under control while he's in there. Last time he faced the Mariners in Seattle, Verlander took the loss, giving up four runs and eight hits in seven innings. That, by the way, was the only time the Tigers have lost to the Mariners this season.
Carlos Silva broke a personal seven-game losing streak by holding the Padres to two runs over eight innings in his last start. He did give up eight hits, however, which is consistent with his performance all season. Silva is sort of the much, much higher-paid version of Eddie Bonine, throwing strikes, keeping the ball on the ground, and not walking many batters. But opposing lineups do rack up the hit totals against him. Silva has lost both of his starts against the Tigers this season, and the most recent one was particularly brutal. In just 2/3 of an inning, Silva gave up seven runs and seven hits. Altogether, he's allowed 14 runs and 16 hits in 4 2/3 innings vs. Detroit this year.
I'm having problems with my internet access at home, so I don't know if I'll be able to join the BYB Brigade in tonight's GameThread. A lot of tree limbs and a troubling number of entire trees were knocked down in my area by thunderstorms last night, and the DSL lines must have been damaged. Maybe this is a sign to switch to cable. Anyway, we'll see what happens.
Lookout Landing has your SB Nation opposing view for this 4th of July weekend series. Enjoy your holiday, everyone!
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Tonight's Lineup
Motown
Grandy CF
Polly 2B
Guillen 3B
Miggy 1B
Joyce RF
Sheff DH
Clete LF
Pudge C
Hollimon SS
Seattle
Ichiro RF
Lopez 2B
Ibanez LF
Vidro DH
Beltre 3B
Reed CF
Sexson 1B
Clement C
Betancourt SS
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 3, 2008 9:35 PM EDT 0 recs
agreed
great to see Miggy back in there. Losing Magglio is enough.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 3, 2008 10:01 PM EDT
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You know
I was listening to ESPN Radio and they said that the Tigers had more comeback wins than anyone else this season.
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 3, 2008 10:01 PM EDT 0 recs
Good to see...
Richie Sexson in the lineup.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:08 PM EDT 0 recs
agreed.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:11 PM EDT 0 recs
a cabrera HR would sure be nice
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:14 PM EDT 0 recs
I like...
how Rod just had to give us a disclaimer that if Miggy looks like he’s being lazy, it’s just because he’s hurt.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:15 PM EDT 0 recs
damn.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:18 PM EDT 0 recs
i like that attitude.
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by spotstarters on
Jul 3, 2008 10:21 PM EDT
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gotta tip your cap
Ichiro IS going right into the Hall of Fame after all
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 3, 2008 10:21 PM EDT 0 recs
good point.
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by spotstarters on
Jul 3, 2008 10:24 PM EDT
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Verlander...
looks a bit off. Hopefully he gets it straight.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:24 PM EDT 0 recs
i’m having flashes of bonderman and his first inning shennanigans
by wepri31 on
Jul 3, 2008 10:28 PM EDT
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i thought the same thing.
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by spotstarters on
Jul 3, 2008 10:29 PM EDT
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Dang...
when Verlander is throwing like this it’s very tough to watch. He’ll be out by the fourth inning at this pace.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:28 PM EDT 0 recs
THANK GOD FOR SEXSON.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Anyone else feel like
in situations like this Verlander needs Leyland to curse a blue streak at him?
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 3, 2008 10:29 PM EDT 0 recs
Seriously....
I saw Lou Pinella come out and lace into one of his pitchers the other day. It worked.
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by spotstarters on
Jul 3, 2008 10:30 PM EDT
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LOTS of fly balls
Just need to get a little distance on them
by pfuhrmeister on Jul 3, 2008 10:33 PM EDT 0 recs
even if the Tigers lose this one 1-0
I’ll maintain Silva sucks. WTF?
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 3, 2008 10:34 PM EDT 0 recs
CLETE!!
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 PM EDT 0 recs
I wouldn't be surprised...
to see Verlander throw 40 pitches to Ichiro tonight.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:40 PM EDT 0 recs
there we go...
that’s more like it.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 10:48 PM EDT 0 recs
Rod and Mario
They keep acting like Silva is a good pitcher. “Can you believe that Carlos Silva lost nine games in a row earlier this year?” Yes. Yes, I can.
by Grant E. on Jul 3, 2008 10:50 PM EDT 0 recs
not hearing the commentary
but yes, I can believe a terrible pitcher like Silva lost a lot of games last year.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 3, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
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could be a long night for the pen.
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by spotstarters on Jul 3, 2008 11:00 PM EDT 0 recs
Hey this is Carlos Silva
please enjoy watching me get beaten like a read-headed stepchild.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 3, 2008 11:05 PM EDT 0 recs
hey man...
not happening yet.
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by spotstarters on
Jul 3, 2008 11:06 PM EDT
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I know
It’s so sad. Silva is really not very good.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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They really should be working this guy like a speed bag. It’s bound to happen eventually (I keep telling myself).
by Grant E. on
Jul 3, 2008 11:07 PM EDT
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for good mojo
oh miggy you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow my mind!
by wepri31 on Jul 3, 2008 11:34 PM EDT 0 recs
You can tell...
That Cabby is in some pain. He did not look good running.
by Grant E. on Jul 3, 2008 11:36 PM EDT 0 recs
Nice timing by Mario.
“Holliman has 12 HRs this year at the AAA level.” Boom. HR.
by Grant E. on Jul 3, 2008 11:51 PM EDT 0 recs
Happy Independence Day everyone
just got back from some fireworks. good to see the Tigers have had some fireworks of their own tonight. Any pregame info on why Thames is out today?
by MSU4LIF on Jul 4, 2008 12:10 AM EDT 0 recs
Lefties against Silva.
Lefty OF tonight (Cletus, Grandy and Joyce) and Hollimon (switch hitter) aginst Silva. Silva pitches to contact and lefties have hammered him this year and in his career.
by Grant E. on
Jul 4, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
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Thames and Rentaria will be back tomorrow against LHP Bedard.
by Grant E. on
Jul 4, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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so if we can hang on here
with the white sox losing and the twins not playing we could pick a game up on the sox and a half game on the Twins would truly feel like a 1 and a half game night!!
by PBURGTIGER on Jul 4, 2008 12:21 AM EDT 0 recs