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Game 108: Tigers (55-52) at Indians (46-60)

Detroit Tigers at Cleveland Indians, Jul 31, 2008 12:05 PM EDT


Justin Verlander (8-10, 4.29) vs. Fausto Carmona (4-3, 4.33)

I probably made this joke before, when the Tigers and Cardinals had to return for a matinee after playing long into the previous night, but what are the chances that today's game is one of the worst ever seen?  Both the Detroit and Cleveland hitters have to be gassed, and several of them will likely get the day off.  And each team's pitching staff is stretched thin, having used six pitchers from their respective bullpens. 

But with Justin Verlander's turn coming up in the rotation today, the roulette wheel seems to have spun in Detroit's favor.  On a day when the starting pitcher will likely have to go deep into the game - whether he's pitching well or not - it's nice to have the staff ace who can throw seven or eight innings on the mound.  Unfortunately, Verlander is coming off his worst start of the season, in which the Orioles shelled him for seven runs and nine hits in just four innings.  And he doesn't often pitch well against the Indians, with a 4-7 career record (1-2 this season). 

Who else is available to throw today?  Joel Zumaya was held out of last night's game, presumably for this very purpose.  And Clay Rapada has been called up from Triple-A Toledo to take Todd Jones' spot on the roster (though it's probably for a cup of coffee as Kyle Farnsworth will join the team tomorrow).  Also, Freddy Dolsi threw only 11 pitches, so he should be okay to go.  Perhaps Armando Galarraga will also be available, as this is his day to throw on the side.

Considering all the Tigers have been through this week, in terms of injuries, transactions, and poor pitching, winning this series (and gaining a game on either the White Sox or Twins) would be something of an accomplishment.  (I keep having to remind myself they won last night, because I'm still stewing over Nate Robertson's disastrous performance.)

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Today's Line-ups

Detroit:

Granderson – CF
Santiago – SS
Guillen – 3B
Cabrera – 1B
Joyce – RF
Thames – DH
Renteria – SS
Raburn – LF
Sardinha – C

Indians:

Sizemore – DH
Gutierrez – CF
Francisco – LF
Peralta – SS
Choo – RF
Marte – 3B
Garko – 1B
Fasano – C
Cabrera – 2B

by MSU4LIF on Jul 31, 2008 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Santiago batting 2nd?

Yeesh. I’d rather see Raburn in that spot today.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Wow Ian looking like me posting the line ups lol

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I slipped there.

Hit the wrong key once I saw MSU4LIF post the lineups.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey Ian

Hope it wasn’t poor BlessYouBoys etiquette to post the lineups myself. I’ve seen other’s beat you to it – for fun I think, so I thought I would post them since I’ve got nothing going on at the office except for listening to the radio at the moment.

After looking at prior lineup postings…..it looks like I cut some corners. Oops.

I noticed Sheff was out of the lineup today, so I was excited maybe he might be held out for a possible trade…...however Maggs is out, too…....and I don’t think we’re trading Maggs.

by MSU4LIF on Jul 31, 2008 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Etiquette? Here?

Not at all. I’m always happy when someone beats me to the lineups. I just happened to be doing it at the same time today.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am SO tired and cranky today, dont care to hear about the poor baseball players that have to come back and play a game today..They didnt have to be up at 6 to get 2 kids ready for school and get to work by 8…

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 11:46 AM EDT reply actions  

They already used their "tired" excuse

Leyland was serving up that mess on Tuesday, saying they were flat Monday due to “fatigue.”

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only good thing I keep telling my self is thank god they won or I would be really angry today..nothing like 5 hr marathon loss

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

like how you strategically placed that right in between my two “whiner” comments

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 12:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Rod Allen just said...

“flat out gettin’ ‘er done”

I’m going to be cranky today.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

at least you don’t have to watch the Sports Time Ohio broadcast

by Jerkwheat on Jul 31, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carmona

It would be interesting to see how he comes back from giving up nine runs in 2.1 innings a few days ago.

by MSU4LIF on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Sheffield and Renteria to somewhere for something please…I will take 2 crash davis’s and and 1% chance at a Nuke Laloosh

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 12:06 PM EDT reply actions  

Sal Fasano

He looks like how I feel this afternoon. Except he looks that way all the time.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

thats what I lijke to see

love it when our starting pitcher gets a lead before he even steps on the mound..

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 12:18 PM EDT reply actions  

how many runs will the tigers score today?

0-8 monday to Tuesday, 8-14, tuesday to Wednesday, so…diminishing rate of returns, says….18?

Someone check my math….

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

it seems after

the Tigers lay a smack down…. they fail to score

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Verlander's ERA

at Cleveland is 8+ That is not good.

by ashmark on Jul 31, 2008 12:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Griffey

He’s approved the trade and is heading to the White Sox.

by MSU4LIF on Jul 31, 2008 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Griffey

i am now officially disapointed in

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

verlander always lets me down

Seriously not a fan

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

So Justin….I know you were up late last night, but what do you think about maybe not laying them in there, eh?

by tplants on Jul 31, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

He gone

Now im a fan hahahah

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

well, at least I’ve got an RBI for the ol fantasy team…

by Jerkwheat on Jul 31, 2008 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

It’s so nice to get into work and already have the Tigers playing. Looks like no chance of work till this afternoon for me.

by SFTiger on Jul 31, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Of course, would be nicer if Verlander made less than 24 pitches in the 1st inning.

by SFTiger on Jul 31, 2008 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

thats what thames

gets for last night

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice catch by Francisco

That looked like it would get to the wall, for sure.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 12:37 PM EDT reply actions  

bunt for base hit?

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

raburn is sick at bunting

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Id raather see verlander

get ground balls, and popouts then strike outs keep the pitch count nice and cozy

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

calm down rod

it’s a suitcase… wow that swing was gross

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Just saw this info nugget on Baseball Prospectus

Names popping up at the last minute: Marcus Thames, Huston Street, Jonathan Sanchez, and Paul Byrd.

Nothing on who the Tigers would be shopping for, though.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd hate to see Marcus leave

But the Tigers do seem to have a surplus of corner outfielders.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why not? I think Leyland is settling on Joyce as his preferred everyday LF

by Jerkwheat on Jul 31, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm a big Thames fan

If we trade him, we had better get a young arm that’s going to be around for at least a couple of seasons.
But I’ve thought all you that we have too many outfielders considering our pitching. I’d rather trade Clete Thomas or Matt Joyce. Maybe we could sell high.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

how in the hell do you walk asdrubal

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 1:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Heads up!

Almost had a brutal collision in right-center.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 1:08 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm a fan of the results but...

58 pitches through three innings ain’t gonna cut it. Especially not today.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Rapada?

I think Clay is at the game, but I’m not sure. If so, we’d have him and Zumaya… maybe they could go 2 innings each.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Warm up Inge!

Nah, I don’t really see it happening. But it would be fun to see.

waynefontes.com sidelionreport.com

by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 1:24 PM EDT reply actions  

OK, thru 5 whats the pitch count? kinda working here..cant flip around to another page to find it right now

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Yahoo box score says 79

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by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Through 4...

He’s got 76. Maybe he can get through two more innings and leave Clay and Zoom-zoom to pick up the last three.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions  

game’s really settled into a groove, huh? Another one where verlander has issues in the first and then start mowing ‘em down.

Too bad Carmona decided to go back to his 2007 version for today….

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 1:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Crap, crap, crap.

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by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

there we go verlander you suck

not comming back from this one you walk 8 and 9 hitter thanks

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Good gravy

Cabrera and Fasano scoring? Really?
Their crappiest players have been hurting us this series.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

did you just say good gravy?

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

like to see Carlos have like a 15 pitch at bat…shouldnt their bull pen be a little shaky it self today?

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahah asdrubal/ dan ugla are they related

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

PITCH COUNT 110…thats not too good

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT reply actions  

get him out of there two bad starts in a row

fasano you can’t be serious… so pesimistic today I don’t care

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 2:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Sal Friggin' Pasano?

Verlander less than impressive again.

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by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

9 k’s wow, too bad for the bad for grady sizemore, 9 freakin k’s thru 5 and 2/3

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions  

sweet just the guy I love to see up with the bases loaded

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

that didn't even get close to touching him

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

at least it didnt completly fall a part…

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 31, 2008 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

well

Renteria has looked a little better at the plate lately… hopefully he can start earning that paycheck before this season is out.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

keep DS outta trouble

let the top of the order come chase carmona

by gf206 on Jul 31, 2008 2:21 PM EDT reply actions  

I just looked up Bill Freehan as a lark

And was shocked to see he played in 147 games at C in 1967, and 138 in 68. Then again, when your backup is Jim Price…

Careers were shorter back then as well. Freehan’s last season as a regular was at age 33, and he was done at age 34.

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by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

not often you can get two guys in with a sacrifice ground out

by gf206 on Jul 31, 2008 2:24 PM EDT reply actions  

Perez is in now

Let’s hope he’s still hungover from last night

by gf206 on Jul 31, 2008 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Apropos of nothing

SI’s Jon Heyman says the White Sox are making a play for John Lannan of the Nats. I’ve seen Lannan a few times out here in DC. He’s pretty solid.

by Jerkwheat on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

sounds like The Keystone Cops out there on the radio

by MSU4LIF on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

that was huge

without that wild pitch, Dane hits into a DP.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

rbi for the great dane

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

just when you get a good rally going….

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice inning Clay.

by SFTiger on Jul 31, 2008 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Rapada

Why has he been bouncing up and down between here and toledo? He’s looked good every time I’ve tuned in…

by gf206 on Jul 31, 2008 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't get it, either

Maybe it’s an options thing. Or maybe Leyland thinks Fossum and Seay have the lefty thing covered. But he should be on the major league roster.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 31, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

i don’t mean to be negative.. but a… it doesn’t look good.

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jul 31, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

welcome to the sal fasano experience….it’s his world, and we’re just living in it

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Cleveland Pic's

I’m watching the game on mlb gameday – it sure seems like cleveland has some goofy looking boys…

by gf206 on Jul 31, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

it's been a miserable week so far

what with the Tigers splitting yet another 4 game series against a beatable team, and then the Brewers trying to turn a 1 game deficit into a 5 game bulge for the dratted Cubbies

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 3:00 PM EDT reply actions  

especially when the one who is all star caliber (martinez) hasn’t even seen the field in a while…..

by ahtrap on Jul 31, 2008 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why? Sal Fasano has All-Star...

...facial hair. What a killer Fu Manchu.

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by BigAl on Jul 31, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

THREE WALKS

for the number 9 hitter?

PLEASE!

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 31, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Our whole team

needs to work on throwing strikes.

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You know

it pissed Leyland off having to use another pitcher here

by pfuhrmeister on Jul 31, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Tigers = fortune .500

Jeff

by cannonad03 on Jul 31, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions  

ahh screw it all..I am done for today..later guys

by PBURGTIGER on Jul 31, 2008 3:15 PM EDT reply actions  

wow

Rapada was frustrating me, so I checked out of the office, rode the elevator down 9 floors, walked down the street to get a slice of pizza, and came all the way back to the office, and we were still putting the fire out!

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 3:19 PM EDT reply actions  

on the bright side...

...tough loss, but there’s a lot of baseball left, plus we still have 6 key games left with the black sox.
The tampa series is going to be tough, as well (see: Kazmir and Shields), then we’ve got Chicago. But we have a great stretch coming up to make up some ground. Between Aug. 8-31, we face Oakland, Toronto, Baltimore, Texas, KC, Cleveland, and KC again. If we want to get back in the race, this next month is as good of a chance as any.
In fact, the only really tough non-central games left are:
3 vs. the Angels
7 vs. the Rays
1 vs. the Yanks

Meanwhile, the Black Sox have:
3 vs. the Angels
3 vs. the Rays
4 vs. the Yanks
7 vs. the Red Sox

by WildElliot on Jul 31, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Like I said a few weeks ago

We don’t have the pitching. God, Leland was mad. Now the starters are sucking. It was awful, but not as awful as having to have your dog put to sleep like I did this morning. the game was a cakewalk compared to that:(

by densogirl on Jul 31, 2008 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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