Game 86: Tigers (43-42) at Mariners (33-52)
Detroit @ Seattle
Kenny Rogers (6-5, 4.59) vs.
Erik Bedard (5-4, 3.79)
After smacking around the Mariners' top free agent signee last night, the Tigers look to repeat that performance against Seattle's big trade acquisition this afternoon. I was dead wrong about the Mariners before the season; I thought they'd challenge for the AL West, a misinformed prediction that was heavily influenced by their deal for Erik Bedard.
Seattle did not give up one of their top young outfielders, one of their best set-up relievers, and three other prospects for a .500 pitcher who averages about five innings per start. Now, the Mariners are reportedly hoping they can get something in return for him at the trade deadline. Bedard broke a four-game winless streak by defeating the Padres in his last start.
It's probably worth noting, however, that Detroit is batting .293/.364/.443 against left-handed pitching.
By beating the Rockies in his previous outing, Kenny Rogers showed that his loss to the Cardinals two weeks ago was a stumble, not a fall. It was rough for the first three innings, but Rogers pulled himself together and pitched just well enough to get the win. That might also describe how Rogers performed the last time he faced the Mariners, when he gave up four runs and eight hits in 5 1/3 innings, yet still earned the victory.
Happy 4th of July to everyone! I hope your holiday weekend is off to a great start.
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Lineups
Ligers
C. Granderson CF
P. Polanco 2B
E. Renteria SS
M. Cabrera 1B
M. Thames LF
G. Sheffield DH
I. Rodriguez C
C. Thomas RF
R. Raburn 3B
Ancient Mariners
I. Suzuki RF
J. Lopez 2B
R. Ibanez LF
A. Beltre 3B
R. Sexson 1B
K. Johjima DH
J. Burke C
W. Bloomquist CF
Y. Betancourt SS
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 3:40 PM EDT 0 recs
5-9 for Seattle
isn’t very scary.
Kenji Johjima (.226 avg, .267 OBP, 3HR) at DH? Willie Bloomquist (career .260 average with 6 career HRs, in 1200 at bats)
Not a lineup with a lot of punch.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 3:42 PM EDT
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Grandy leading off..
Nice to see him leading off against a lefty
by TonyS on Jul 4, 2008 4:12 PM EDT 0 recs
actually, he doesn't really
His career numbers against the Tigers:
.200 average, .268 OBP, 1 HR, 1 2B in 82 plate appearances
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:17 PM EDT
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That's over the last two seasons
I wonder what he’s hitting against us this season. He and Beltre hit us pretty good earlier this year, if i recall correctly
by TonyS on
Jul 4, 2008 4:19 PM EDT
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this year
21 plate appearances, 3 walks. 3-18 (.167 average) in the remaining at bats, with 1 double and 2 RBI
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:23 PM EDT
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Underrated Overrated or Properly Rated
Polly is a great player.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 4:14 PM EDT 0 recs
Do we hit...
into an inordinate amount of double plays? I wonder what the league average is, or at least the ratio of hitting into vs. inducing DPs.
by TonyS on Jul 4, 2008 4:16 PM EDT 0 recs
coming into today
Tigers had ground into 72 double plays, 6th most in the AL (Toronto leads with 97)
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:24 PM EDT
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oh miggy
you’re so fine, you’re so fine you blow my mind!
by wepri31 on Jul 4, 2008 4:23 PM EDT 0 recs
Bedard seems to be laboring
bodes well for the Tigers.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 4:39 PM EDT 0 recs
thanks...
it was stuck at a 3-2 count on Pudge, but it caught up.
by TonyS on
Jul 4, 2008 4:43 PM EDT
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Zumaya as a starter
what do people think? Personally, I think if you can get 200 innings rather than 70 innings out of an arm like that, you should do it.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 4:50 PM EDT 0 recs
i don’t think he’d be quite as effective with a longer role…but it would be interesting to see
by wepri31 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:53 PM EDT
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I disagree
He had a lot of success as a starter in the minors. Apparently his delivery is a little less violent out of the wind-up.
by TonyS on
Jul 4, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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I don't either
but I think he could be an above average starter
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:56 PM EDT
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as a starter
I think he’d pitch at 96, 97 more, and he’d need to bring back a third pitch to go with the fastball and curve. Even still, I think he could be a good starter.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 4:58 PM EDT
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Next year's rotation:
Verlander, Bonderman?, Robertson?, Willis?, Galarraga?, Rogers?
Lot of question marks.
by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 4:59 PM EDT 0 recs
probably not
the difference might be that the Tigers have long term contracts with some big question marks: Robertson, Willis, Bonderman.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 5:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, but...
Robertson is tradable…he drives us nuts, but another team would value him at his contract.
Bonderman should be fine…
And Willis is what he is. He still has the arm, which gives him a chance.
by TonyS on
Jul 4, 2008 5:06 PM EDT
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I agree
Not saying they are hosed, just saying there’s quite a bit of uncertainty for next years rotation, so it’s worth considering Zoom as a starter.
by ThaWalrus9 on
Jul 4, 2008 5:08 PM EDT
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Kenny is amazing.
Check out www.spotstarters.com for more news on the Detroit Tigers.
by spotstarters on Jul 4, 2008 5:07 PM EDT 0 recs
i love it
while at the plate:
“Marcus is in scoring position as we speak”
by wepri31 on Jul 4, 2008 5:11 PM EDT 0 recs
they had to let seattle get ahead so they can have another come from behind win
by wepri31 on Jul 4, 2008 5:34 PM EDT 0 recs
The Tribe just got a lot better.
The Indians just DFAed the scourge of Cleveland, Joe Borowski.
by Grant E. on Jul 4, 2008 5:36 PM EDT 0 recs
And we're back!
Happy 4th of July, all.
Got back just in time for the Tigers to come back, hopefully.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 4, 2008 6:19 PM EDT 0 recs
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by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 4, 2008 6:23 PM EDT 1 recs
I’d like to see another Tigers hitter declare a baseball’s independence from the boundaries of Safeco Field.
by Ian Casselberry on Jul 4, 2008 6:32 PM EDT 0 recs








