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Game 89: Indians (37-51) at Tigers (44-44)

Cleveland Indians @ Detroit Tigers


Jeremy Sowers (0-4, 7.53) vs. Justin Verlander (5-9, 4.34)

So much for pre-season predictions.  This series isn't quite what we thought it would be, eh?  Cleveland vs. Detroit, with the AL Central lead on the line, right?  Heck, tonight's game isn't what you thought it would be on Saturday.  A couple of days ago, it was a pitching heavyweight title fight.  (And that is not meant as a whack against C.C. Sabathia.)  Now, it's Justin Verlander against a different guy that throws left-handed.

Jeremy Sowers was pounded in his last start for eight runs and six hits by the White Sox.  Two of those Chicago hits were a three-run homer by Jim Thome and a grand slam from Nick Swisher.  The long ball's been something of a problem for Sowers, as he's given up eight of them in seven games.  Each of Sowers' last two starts against Detroit have been almost identical, with him giving up five runs on seven hits in four innings of work.  And yes, both of those were losses. 

Verlander has allowed two runs or less in his last five starts.  Pitch counts have been a problem for him, however, as he's exceeded 100 pitches within six innings in his last three appearances.  The Indians haven't been so easy on Verlander lately, as he's lost his last four starts against him, including two this year.  Two Tribe hitters who have given Verlander some trouble are Franklin Gutierrez (.455/.455/.909 in 11 at-bats) and Casey Blake (.348/.464/.478 in 28 plate appearances).

No Carlos Guillen in the lineup tonight, as his wife gave birth to their daughter yesterday.  Ryan Raburn will be subbing for him at third base. 

And if you haven't heard, Dontrelle Willis was diagnosed with patellar tendinitis in his aching right knee and received a cortisone shot earlier today.  He was also outfitted with a brace, which he'll wear as he resumes his rehabilitation in Lakeland.  (Thanks to explosivo2k2 for posting the news in the comments of the last entry.)

Let's Go Tribe has your SB Nation opposing view for this quickie two-game series.

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Starting Lineups

CLEVELAND

1. Grady Sizemore, CF
2. Jamie Carroll, 2B
3. Casey Blake, 3B
4. Jhonny Peralta, SS
5. Shin-Soo Choo, RF
6. Kelly Shoppach, C
7. David Dellucci, DH
8. Ryan Garko, 1B
9. Frankin Gutierrez, LF

DETROIT

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Marcus Thames, LF
4. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
5. Gary Sheffield, DH
6. Pudge Rodriguez, C
7. Edgar Renteria, SS
8. Clete Thomas, RF
9. Ryan Raburn, 3B

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 6:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It'd be great...

if Renteria could get at least one hit tonight. Just so we know he’s alive.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Something I forgot to mention in the original post

Renteria against Cleveland this year:

.364 /.440/.636 with two homers and 10 RBIs in 25 plate appearances.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yikes

rough start.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

someone

had to take over horrible first innings since JB went on the DL

by wepri31 on Jul 8, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

verlander

looks like he isn’t going to help himself tonight 26 pitches come on

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

26 pitches

Lose Blake after 0-2 and put a change up on a tee? Glad to see Bondo is back.

by TFerg1103 on Jul 8, 2008 7:21 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Did he even throw 10 pitches??

by Wingz on Jul 8, 2008 7:25 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OMG

1 2 3 for the most pathetic team in baseball

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:25 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

nope

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Cubs got Harden AND Gaudin?

Take THAT, Milwaukee!

I’ve been away from the computer too long today.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 7:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The A's always give away their aces Harden, Harren, and one more I cant remember

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually 2

If you want to go back to Mulder and Hudson (plus they let Zito walk…)

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 7:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't think...

it’s fair to say they “give away” their aces. They usually get quite a haul in return. I think Zito is the only one they let walk. However, when you let a guy like that walk you get two first round picks as compensation. I like the way the A’s do business.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

don’t think they gave them away at all

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man

I take little Maybin for a walk, come back and already down 2-0….damn

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You haven’t changed that dog’s name to Porcello yet? ;-)

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 7:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I actually liked Polly, but….Little Mayb’s wouldn’t be the same without the name…

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:38 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good thing you didn't have to endure the

“Tracker” The Seattle folks threw that up at least 3 times every at bat….

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we got some of that

Was that the blue line that followed the path of each pitch?

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That was an important part of it!

They didn’t use that portion of it everytime. But, anytime there was a close call one way or the other, it was up there.

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:46 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Renteria

needs a freaking hit….he has been hooooorrible

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

renteria

Is starting to make me sick

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...

if I’m understanding Rod/Mario/Leyland correctly….

since Renteria has 2,000 hits he should always be a good hitter?

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 7:41 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Easy

big fella, easy…we already have the explosive Santiago coming

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:43 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

what is this disrespect?

Ramon “the savior” Santiago cures all ills. He is Chuck Norris in baseball pants.

Have a little faith!

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 7:50 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I like that

“The Savior”....what is savior in Espanol….He could be El _!

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He also

commits an error, almost every game

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

haha

Neifi, got busted juicing, correct?

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:42 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thank god carrol

Is the size of my little brother, that thing was hanging

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Jul 8, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

work blows

gonna be one o’ them late nights, but at least I’ll have the tigers to keep me awake, and either happy or foaming at the computer screen…

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What's the deal...

Is JV way off or did they just hit good pitches?

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Outside of the Ks

Verlander is on another planet right now

by TFerg1103 on Jul 8, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ummm….is that a good thing or not? I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic….

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 7:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Definitely sarcastic

He never looked at Seizmore once when he stole

by TFerg1103 on Jul 8, 2008 7:58 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

At least...

Clete took him to a full count. The offense is back to early May production.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 7:56 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be fair

they are missing Guillen and Ordonez in the lineup, those guys were hitting #3 and #4 a week ago…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 7:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed....

And their absence makes it easier to pitch Marcus and Miggy.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Man..

Thames should hit two homers off of this joker tonight. I’m banking on it.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

CRAP!!

I was close to calling that one.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And WE'RE BACK!

WOW.

That didn’t even look like that hard a swing from Cabrera. Showed his power on that one.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It Gone.

Man I hate that, but it’s true!

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That is...

A nice, big, crooked number on the board.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Off topic....

but if Harden is healthy, the Cubs may be impossible to beat in the NL. Some kind of deal.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:03 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yup.

CC was the closest thing to a sure thing as far as production on the trade market. Anyone think the Tigers will bid for him in the offseason?

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

With one swing...

that damn Seattle series seems like a distant memory.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 8:04 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

JINX ALERT!!

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:04 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

OK JV...

Stand it up, big guy.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed

Keeping the Tribe off the board this next inning is important.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 8:05 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Question for you all...

I have tickets tomorrow that are in the “On Deck” section right behind home plate. On Stub Hub it said the tickets include “club access”, anyone have a guess as to what that might mean?

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Access to the Tigers Den?

Or whatever the restaurant down the right field line is called…

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 8:06 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

cool

thanks.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're right, but

It’s is just access I believe…the food and libation is still cash money, homey….

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:11 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now that...

is an ace half-inning.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

STEROIDS

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:10 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or...

at least the corked bat.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:12 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Duck!

There may be a baseball getting slung your way!

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Belle=Steroids?

Is that what you are saying…that would explain his mental status

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That commercial

makes me feel like a bacardi

by Wingz on Jul 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Verlander is on...

too bad he needs to throw so many pitches.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably not going to happen

...but why not put Polanco at short next year? He’s appeared in 122 games at short in his career. Then you could start Raburn at second.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:28 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

here comes the homer for thames.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and thank you.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You are bound to be right

once every 9 at bats, so might as well!

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well...

there’s a baserunner to break up the monotony!

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Polly

Even with his slow start, Polly deserves to be at the All Star game, in my humble opinion

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I’ll just have to start up the bandwagon for Gallaraga for next year….

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is unreal

he’s been channeling his inner Barry Bonds for the last month…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

come on...

I called that. I need some love for that.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no love ‘til he gets the second one you called :)

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

fair enough.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'll give you dap too

especially seeing as you said he’d get 2 tonight and he very nearly did…

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:33 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

lessee….6 runs in 5 innings…..versus 8 in 42 against the Mariners….

something about that Detroit water supply, I guess….

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 8:36 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

no kidding

plus, if the trade hadn’t gone down, the Tigers would be facing Sabathia tonight (2 IP, 0 hits, 2 BB, no runs so far)

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:39 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Feels good...

to see JV retire Sizemore. Guy is scary.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe

that will give Edgar a spark

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twins...

are up 4-1 in the 7th on the Red Sox.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naptown

is about ready to get rocked with some thunderstorms….hopefully they stay away from the D

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how long

has it been since Edgar got to cross home plate?

by wepri31 on Jul 8, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boo

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in a way, it's kind of sad

Sowers has had some serious struggles in his major league career and this might be his last shot at being a starter. Still, if someone was going to beat him up, it might as well be the Tigers.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:55 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

meanwhile, in KC

looks like Jose Contreras is well on his way to imploding. Just gave up 3 runs in the second, and in the process threw 2 wild pitches, had a passed ball, and hit a batter.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 8:58 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

perfect

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Contreras...

has been a surprise this year with his relative effectiveness. Last year he was putting it up there on a tee.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 8:59 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Whew

Just lost power for a minute….hopefully it will hold off long enough to see the rest of this game.

by Zappatista on Jul 8, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

!!!!

it looked like he got jammed there!

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Miggy

I look forward to him wearing a Tigers cap when he goes into the Hall of Fame.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jason Veritek...

is soooo much better than Pudge.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy hell!

save some for tomorrow boys!

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 9:11 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No kidding

Doesn’t it always seem like they follow a game up like this with a one or two-runner the next night?

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

well, our pitchers are just going to have to pull a Nate then, aren’t they….

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 9:15 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or, how about...

can we retroactively apply some runs back to the weekend?

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can we just play the indians every day til the end of the season from here on out?

by wepri31 on Jul 8, 2008 9:12 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good Lord!

Pudge, too!! Feel like I’ve been kidnapped to another country with my computer dying on me last week. OMG, all the stuff I’ve missed! Please let Renteria start hitting.

by densogirl on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

even renteria has a hit.

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by spotstarters on Jul 8, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Verlander's pitch count

Looks like he did a better job of keeping that down tonight. 99 in seven innings is what you’d like to see.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey gang...just wanted to check in.....

back from softball and beers…...wow what a night….....renteria is hitting and I-Rod has a homer…....what were the odds in Vegas for that?

by MSU4LIF on Jul 8, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Re: Hot Dog Eating Contest

I love how Rod teased Mario for knowing how the Nathan’s contest turned out, only to then give away that he must watch that stuff, too.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 9:30 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hot Dog Eating Contest

Does anyone really care who wins that event, or is the natural reaction just to say, “how do you eat 64 hot dogs?”

by ReichardZ on Jul 8, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Only when an American loses

It’s like the America’s Cup race. No one gave a you-know-what about it until America lost.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 9:34 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah...

they both love that stuff…it’s what they do during commercials…

by weso33 on Jul 8, 2008 9:32 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Twins/Sox

Manny Ramirez just hit a HR in the bottom of the 8th in Boston, tie game 5-5.

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Just got home from work

And its 9-2!!!!!!

Whooo. This needs to happen more often.

by Juskimo on Jul 8, 2008 9:34 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

boston

just tied it up with the twins in the bottom of the 8th

by weso33 on Jul 8, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Joe Borowski

Has there been any update on where he is going?

by ReichardZ on Jul 8, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I haven't heard or read anything

But I’m sure he’ll find work, unless he’s hurt. Teams are always looking for bullpen help.

by Ian Casselberry on Jul 8, 2008 9:36 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I heard Marlins

But that was some ESPN segment where they were just throwing out ideas

by ReichardZ on Jul 8, 2008 9:37 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

filthy

dirty pitch by Aquilino

by ThaWalrus9 on Jul 8, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and the royals are up on the white sox, 4-1 in the 5th….

by ahtrap on Jul 8, 2008 9:47 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if everyone already saw this...

but Polly will become a US citizen tomorrow in a pregame ceremony. Little weird that they are doing it pregame, but congrats to Polly.

by rook34 on Jul 8, 2008 9:47 PM EDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

As i write this Papelbon is in a 10 pich count in the top of the 10th with a 1 run lead and the white sox aredown 4-1 with no outs and a man on 3rd. wow what one night changes! i absolutly hope and pray that the second half of the season turns into a great year and we go into and come out of the all star break very strong! great game by the tigs tonight. what an absolute monster game by cabrera. 4-4 with 2 hrs. thames was stellar yet again almost knockling out two, but settling for one. and verly settled down nicely after the first inning. great great game all around for the boys in blue!

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