Game 109: Tigers (55-53) at Rays (63-44)
Detroit Tigers at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 1, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
Zach Miner (5-3, 3.65) vs.
Scott Kazmir (8-5, 2.84)
Those who have been waiting for the Tigers to re-discover the magic from 2006 might find that good feeling in their opponent tonight. The Tampa Bay Rays are this season's Wonder Boys, leading the kind of last-to-first thrill ride that can energize a city and fanbase. Currently, the Rays lead the AL East by three games, ahead of the media darlings of baseball playing in Boston and New York.
You could see Tampa accumulating the sort of young talent that might make this sort of run someday, but as long as they were in the same division as the Red Sox and Yankees, it seemed like they might eventually hit a glass ceiling. To this point, however, the Rays have hung tough. It will be interesting to see, however, if a young team might be affected by their front office not making an addition at the trade deadline (though they took a shot at Jason Bay), while their vaunted rivals both made key moves.
With Justin Verlander blowing up in his last two outings, is it possible that Zach Miner is currently the Tigers' best starting pitcher after just two starts? So far, he's made a nice transition from reliever to starter, giving up just two runs in 12 innings, with just one walk vs. six strikeouts.
Also pitching well in his last two starts is Scott Kazmir, and his previous outing might have been even better, had a rain delay not cut his night short. Kazmir has also allowed only two runs in his last 12 innings, but of course, he has a much longer track record to judge. Approximately a year ago, Kazmir faced the Tigers in Detroit, and held them to just three hits in six scoreless innings.
DRaysBay has your SB Nation opposing view for this weekend's series.
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Ryan Raburn info?
I think Raburn’s minor league numbers look great, with no holes – good k to walk, has hit with power and average, and he’s proved himself in AAA. I’m also aware of his positional flexibility.
As Tigers’ fans, I have a few questions that I’d love your opinion on, even if you’ve only seen him a few times:
What’s his best position defensively? Does he play a legit 2b,3b, and all three OF positions…or is he sort of “not very good, but not terrible” at all of them equally?
Do you think that he hasn’t established a greater full-time role with more playing due to a.) the lack of openings on a veteran Tiger team, or b.) because Leyland and/or the front office don’t believe he can succeed as a full time player?
Do YOU personally think that he could be a viable big-league starting second baseman, third baseman, or corner OF? Could he post, say, a .750 OPS doing that full-time if the Tigers gave him the opportunity?
Thanks for your help! I’d really appreciate any of your comments and insights.
"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers
by notsellingjeans on Aug 1, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He seems pretty solid where ever he plays. No real “stand out” position.
I think he is kind of in the Brandon Inge boat when it comes to playing time. There are too many spots occupied by established players, on top of the fact that he is nothing spectacular offensively.
He could do it in a lower market team, or with a team that has a definite hole in their lineup at a position Raburn can play. Think Washington, Baltimore, San Diego, etc.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is also posted in the FanPosts section
Chime in if you get a chance. It’s definitely a discussion worth having about a player who probably deserves more playing time.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Starting Lineups
DETROIT
1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Gary Sheffield, DH
7. Marcus Thames, LF
8. Edgar Renteria, SS
9. Brandon Inge, C
TAMPA BAY
1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. B.J. Upton, CF
3. Carl Crawford, LF
4. Evan Longoria, 3B
5. Carlos Pena, 1B
6. Cliff Floyd, DH
7. Dioner Navarro, C
8. Eric Hinske, RF
9. Jason Bartlett, SS
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kazmir's wild!
The Tigers can’t let him off the hook here. He’s walked the bases loaded; they have to get a run out of this.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheff is going to Strike out
He is trying for a grand slam
by jerseyboyinmi on Aug 1, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could get used to this Scott Kazmir.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Four walks in the inning for Kazmir!
Sheffield brings a run in.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
I had a good feeling Sheff would walk – with his good eye….....but it wasn’t hard not to swing at those four balls.
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i have been wrong before
my bad. Go Tigers
by jerseyboyinmi on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok..........
Marcus is bugging me lately…....I know he’s K’d alot the past few games and he wants to hit the first good pitch he gets….......but after a pitcher walks four batters in one inning….....WHY THE HELL IS HE SWINGING AT THE FIRST PITCH!!!!!
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
behold!!!!
the reason Marcus has never gotten a shot to be an everyday player!
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, nuts
I thought Marcus might have gotten ahold of one there.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sup t
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In other baseball news......
C-Mo got dumped by the Twins today…..
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nothing man, you know what I’m doing.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
asian basbeall players
piss me off, no racial issues but slap hittings is fo-fagz
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You hit that one on the nose.
pun
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gunned down
Is that Pudge behind the plate?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yarg!
Can’t you see woooooooooooo can’t you see why you don’t steal on Ingey
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t you see, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, can’t you see? That Marcus Thames, can get back to his fee…
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See “Can’t You See” by Marshall Tucker Band, and substitute our lyrics for the chorus of the actual song in case you guys don’t know what’s going on.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Thames....
trying to give Joyce the starting job…..
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you just saw another reason
why Marcu has never been given a starting gig
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i know he's struggling
but he just layed out to try to make up for the flyout its no big deal even though it is hard not to hate him right now
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don't tell MLB.tv
This game should be blacked out for me, but for some reason they still use my address from 2 years ago…
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom
That’s me banging the Zach Miner drum (as I have been all year)
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I gonna jinx him....
if I pick him up on my fantasy team for his next start?
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pick him up after his quality start tonight
there’s a jinx for you.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
can't you see wooo can't you see why edgar sucks the D
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wish you were here
by pink floyd is a beautiful song wanna cover it TK?
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he did hit 46 HR last year
guess he figured he’d catch the Tigers off guard?
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not in my fantasy line-up tonight to bunt.......
I would appreicate a solo HR or two…..
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you
root for the opposing team because of fantasy
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming
he means after the Tigers take a 19-0 lead. That’s the only way its acceptable.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We’d need a twelve string, lol. BTW, you can come over here, if you can get a ride.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
alright after i eat
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Smooooth
Curtis always makes backing up on deep fly balls look easy.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Curty
is gonna take home a Gold Glove or 2
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain....
why there’s a huge blue star on the turf in the middle of center field?
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cannot find a reason
and believe me, I’ve looked.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a stupid gimmick to bring appeal to the worst park in baseball.
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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Bartlett hit looked almost identical to Cabrera's
Maybe Miggy’s went higher, but it seemed to hit almost the exact same place on the wall.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Aw... crap
Inge didn’t look great on that passed ball.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thames
He is not swinging the stick very well, at all.
by Zappatista on Aug 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep
Kazmir seems to have ironed out whatever was bugging him in the first inning.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As Rod might say...
Marcus is struggling right now.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shouldn't they have bubbles or fish on the turf
rather than a huge star…....when their sitting in the office and the Tampa brass is having a brainstorming meeting…..how the hell do they come up with hey…..let’s put a big, ugly blue star in the middle of center field…..that will pretty up the place.
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Evening Tigers fans
How goes the battle tonight?
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 8:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like they need him to
2 hits through four innings?
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey there, Pete
Good to see you.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evening. Missed that big chance in the first, huh?
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to stay up-to-date on a Blackberry
But that’s not easy.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be a battle of the bullpens tonight. Kaz at 107.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And here's the human rally killer himself
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Balfour's a really good reliever
Look at Tampa’s bullpen, you’ll discover very quickly why they’re so good this year.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah!
F these Rays and their attempts to abuse Brandon!
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheff
With runners on is hitting .186
Scoring position .234
Scoring position 2 out .192
In his defense,
Close and late .394, which is second only to…
You guessed it – Clete at .455
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So he should be a $14 million pinch-hitter
The black Jeff Conine
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That about sums it up
Speaking of Clete, he hit his 8th HR tonight
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to be fair
career HRs:
Sheffield: 488
Clete: 1
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nasty Nate?
Demote him? I say call up Chris Lambert.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't even want to look at Nate Robertson right now
Thoroughly disgusted with him.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyohe else glad the White Sox got Griffey
Playing him in center is a phenomenally bad idea. I hope the Sox do it. Their opponents will hit 5 doubles a game.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
That trade really didn’t bother me at all.
My buddy called me up in the morning OUTRAGED. I’d have been much more concerned had the Sox got a pitcher, especially a reliever.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he doesn't fit anywhere
I think trying to cram Griffey into that lineup will hurt them as much as it helps them, especially seeing as he’s not much of a defender anymore.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even still
Zach has given the Tigers another decent outing.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
He needs more runs. They’re not losing this game because of how Zach’s throwing.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
especially
against the first place team in the AL East, let’s not lose sight of that (even though they are the Rays and we’re used to them being bad)...
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but maybe not the quality start you were talking about....
The Tigers had their chance in the first and should had blown it open…...still three innings to go…
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oops.....
there’s the solo HR I was talking about…..
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zach Miner
can keep the Tigers in games. That’s all they need. Zach for 4th starter.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What is it about
The Tigers pitchers and the 8&9 hitters?
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Did Zoom cross Inge up there?
That looked really bad.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zoom smells like gas right now
That was not a good outing.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
only 2 runs
the Tigers offense can get that back.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Will Placido bunt....
or just try to bounce out to 2B?
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really Rod....Polanco will move a guy around?
Like he just did there?
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ooof!
I thought the ump would punch out Cabrera on that call.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was that you
that compared Miggy to Manny the other night?
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great.....thanx Cabrera
Now every close pitch for now on will be a strike…...
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least Sheff didn't strike out?
I got nothing.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If I had something to throw...
I would throw it right now. At Leyland. Yes, I know he is a thousand miles away. Just an expression.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If the Tigers fall out of the hunt (even more)
Who would you like you be booted? Me:
1 Todd Jones#2 Gary Sheffield
#3 Nate Robertson
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sick and tired
of defending Sheff. I stood up for him for a LONG time and I stood up for TJ for a long time. Now? Throw the bums out.
And I’m not averse to putting Renteria on that same bus. Let the kids in Triple-A get some time in the majors so they’ll be ready for next year.
Ok, Nate can go too.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pop up
he probably could’ve caught in the LF stands
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
pretty much
gave up on it even though it was only like 2 feet into the stands.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who needs to go
#2 Todd Jones
#3 Sheffield
#4 Renteria
#5 Robertson
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox up...
4-0. Griffey with 2 RBI. I can almost hear the Sox fans from here.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sox
Still have 7 games against the Red Sox and 4 games these Rays.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could anybody else feel that coming?
I wish I’d have called it: Longoria homers off Zumaya.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You DID say
Zumaya smells like gas. So I’ll give it to you.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
Wondering if I should go to bed now. Oops. It is only 9 o clock.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone notice...
How the best players on every team just wear this staff out completely? Quentin, Dye, Morneau, Sizemore, Longoria. Can’t we get any of these guys out?
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time to move on
I’m watching Star Trek: Deep Space Nine reruns. And before you make fun, just realize that it was one of the best shows ever on TV and clearly the best Star Trek….
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the Pale Moonlight
if anyone else wants to reminisce
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a question
In the past, Leyland used to go out to the mound a lot more often, sometimes right in the middle of an at bat, and talk to his pitcher. Is it me or is that not happening as much lately?
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that's been a problem all season
Though maybe he feels like these guys have to work it out themselves. I don’t know.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's certainly gotten quiet here
I think most of us really don’t think the Tigers are going to score 4 in the top of the ninth. I’m not about to watch Star Trek, but I’m close to packing it in.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. I am out of stuff to say without getting horrendously negative.
Actually, Seay has been pretty good lately. That is positive.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
understood
but this is one HELL of an episode.
by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For those still with us
Percival walked the leadoff batter. Could this get interesting?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 10:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Riddle me this, Batman
How do the Tigers get nine walks and still only have two runs?
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheff was the guy in position to knock six of them in.
He accomplished one, with a walk.
That is simplistic and overly blaming one guy, but he gagged huge two times.
by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My God
The Tigers probably could have walked in 4 or 5 runs at least in those first 4 innings if they’d just let Cazmir keep throwing balls all over the place. I found it absolutely unbelievable that some of the Tiger hitters didn’t take advantage of his horrid pitching those first few. RISP for pitchers just stand there. This game is distracting me from my sorrow from yesterday, but the Tigers look pathetic.
by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Until tomorrow
Good night
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All I can say is
Good night long-suffering Tigers fans.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Todd Jones
Am I the only one suspicous that Toddd Jones just suddenly developed a sore shoulder 6 weeks ago, according to him, right at the trade deadline. I was actually thinking about this before my dog died. How convenient for him! I also think this will be Leland’s last year as manager.
by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank you rook34
I still haven’t accepted it yet. He was with me 14 years. The Tiger games at least keep my mind off it for a few hours and I get so pissed off at them.
by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry to hear that, too
14 years is a long time.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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