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Game 109: Tigers (55-53) at Rays (63-44)

Detroit Tigers at Tampa Bay Rays, Aug 1, 2008 7:10 PM EDT


Zach Miner (5-3, 3.65) vs. Scott Kazmir (8-5, 2.84)

Those who have been waiting for the Tigers to re-discover the magic from 2006 might find that good feeling in their opponent tonight.  The Tampa Bay Rays are this season's Wonder Boys, leading the kind of last-to-first thrill ride that can energize a city and fanbase.  Currently, the Rays lead the AL East by three games, ahead of the media darlings of baseball playing in Boston and New York. 

You could see Tampa accumulating the sort of young talent that might make this sort of run someday, but as long as they were in the same division as the Red Sox and Yankees, it seemed like they might eventually hit a glass ceiling.  To this point, however, the Rays have hung tough.  It will be interesting to see, however, if a young team might be affected by their front office not making an addition at the trade deadline (though they took a shot at Jason Bay), while their vaunted rivals both made key moves.

With Justin Verlander blowing up in his last two outings, is it possible that Zach Miner is currently the Tigers' best starting pitcher after just two starts?  So far, he's made a nice transition from reliever to starter, giving up just two runs in 12 innings, with just one walk vs. six strikeouts. 

Also pitching well in his last two starts is Scott Kazmir, and his previous outing might have been even better, had a rain delay not cut his night short.  Kazmir has also allowed only two runs in his last 12 innings, but of course, he has a much longer track record to judge.  Approximately a year ago, Kazmir faced the Tigers in Detroit, and held them to just three hits in six scoreless innings.

DRaysBay has your SB Nation opposing view for this weekend's series.

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Ryan Raburn info?

I think Raburn’s minor league numbers look great, with no holes – good k to walk, has hit with power and average, and he’s proved himself in AAA. I’m also aware of his positional flexibility.

As Tigers’ fans, I have a few questions that I’d love your opinion on, even if you’ve only seen him a few times:

What’s his best position defensively? Does he play a legit 2b,3b, and all three OF positions…or is he sort of “not very good, but not terrible” at all of them equally?

Do you think that he hasn’t established a greater full-time role with more playing due to a.) the lack of openings on a veteran Tiger team, or b.) because Leyland and/or the front office don’t believe he can succeed as a full time player?

Do YOU personally think that he could be a viable big-league starting second baseman, third baseman, or corner OF? Could he post, say, a .750 OPS doing that full-time if the Tigers gave him the opportunity?

Thanks for your help! I’d really appreciate any of your comments and insights.

"The painting was a gift, Todd. I'm taking it with me." -Wedding Crashers

by notsellingjeans on Aug 1, 2008 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He seems pretty solid where ever he plays. No real “stand out” position.

I think he is kind of in the Brandon Inge boat when it comes to playing time. There are too many spots occupied by established players, on top of the fact that he is nothing spectacular offensively.

He could do it in a lower market team, or with a team that has a definite hole in their lineup at a position Raburn can play. Think Washington, Baltimore, San Diego, etc.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is also posted in the FanPosts section

Chime in if you get a chance. It’s definitely a discussion worth having about a player who probably deserves more playing time.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Starting Lineups

DETROIT

1. Curtis Granderson, CF
2. Placido Polanco, 2B
3. Carlos Guillen, 3B
4. Magglio Ordonez, RF
5. Miguel Cabrera, 1B
6. Gary Sheffield, DH
7. Marcus Thames, LF
8. Edgar Renteria, SS
9. Brandon Inge, C

TAMPA BAY

1. Akinori Iwamura, 2B
2. B.J. Upton, CF
3. Carl Crawford, LF
4. Evan Longoria, 3B
5. Carlos Pena, 1B
6. Cliff Floyd, DH
7. Dioner Navarro, C
8. Eric Hinske, RF
9. Jason Bartlett, SS

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir's wild!

The Tigers can’t let him off the hook here. He’s walked the bases loaded; they have to get a run out of this.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I could get used to this Scott Kazmir.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I had a good feeling Sheff would walk – with his good eye….....but it wasn’t hard not to swing at those four balls.

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ok..........

Marcus is bugging me lately…....I know he’s K’d alot the past few games and he wants to hit the first good pitch he gets….......but after a pitcher walks four batters in one inning….....WHY THE HELL IS HE SWINGING AT THE FIRST PITCH!!!!!

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

behold!!!!

the reason Marcus has never gotten a shot to be an everyday player!

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, nuts

I thought Marcus might have gotten ahold of one there.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RBI for Sheff.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sup t

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In other baseball news......

C-Mo got dumped by the Twins today…..

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nothing man, you know what I’m doing.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

asian basbeall players

piss me off, no racial issues but slap hittings is fo-fagz

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You hit that one on the nose.

pun

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gunned down

Is that Pudge behind the plate?

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yarg!

Can’t you see woooooooooooo can’t you see why you don’t steal on Ingey

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can’t you see, WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, can’t you see? That Marcus Thames, can get back to his fee…

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See “Can’t You See” by Marshall Tucker Band, and substitute our lyrics for the chorus of the actual song in case you guys don’t know what’s going on.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is Thames....

trying to give Joyce the starting job…..

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you just saw another reason

why Marcu has never been given a starting gig

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i know he's struggling

but he just layed out to try to make up for the flyout its no big deal even though it is hard not to hate him right now

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't tell MLB.tv

This game should be blacked out for me, but for some reason they still use my address from 2 years ago…

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom

That’s me banging the Zach Miner drum (as I have been all year)

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Am I gonna jinx him....

if I pick him up on my fantasy team for his next start?

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can't you see wooo can't you see why edgar sucks the D

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wish you were here

by pink floyd is a beautiful song wanna cover it TK?

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pena

What the hell was that?

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he did hit 46 HR last year

guess he figured he’d catch the Tigers off guard?

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how dare you

root for the opposing team because of fantasy

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm assuming

he means after the Tigers take a 19-0 lead. That’s the only way its acceptable.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We’d need a twelve string, lol. BTW, you can come over here, if you can get a ride.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

^to Jim.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

alright after i eat

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just call me.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smooooth

Curtis always makes backing up on deep fly balls look easy.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Curty

is gonna take home a Gold Glove or 2

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K

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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can someone explain....

why there’s a huge blue star on the turf in the middle of center field?

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 7:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I cannot find a reason

and believe me, I’ve looked.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just a stupid gimmick to bring appeal to the worst park in baseball.

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by Tony K on Aug 1, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Bartlett hit looked almost identical to Cabrera's

Maybe Miggy’s went higher, but it seemed to hit almost the exact same place on the wall.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thames

He is not swinging the stick very well, at all.

by Zappatista on Aug 1, 2008 8:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Making

up for all the walks now…........

by Wingz on Aug 1, 2008 8:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Kazmir seems to have ironed out whatever was bugging him in the first inning.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

shouldn't they have bubbles or fish on the turf

rather than a huge star…....when their sitting in the office and the Tampa brass is having a brainstorming meeting…..how the hell do they come up with hey…..let’s put a big, ugly blue star in the middle of center field…..that will pretty up the place.

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 8:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Balfour's a really good reliever

Look at Tampa’s bullpen, you’ll discover very quickly why they’re so good this year.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pudge

0 for 3 tonight

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah!

F these Rays and their attempts to abuse Brandon!

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:04 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sheff

With runners on is hitting .186
Scoring position .234
Scoring position 2 out .192
In his defense,
Close and late .394, which is second only to…
You guessed it – Clete at .455

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to be fair

career HRs:

Sheffield: 488
Clete: 1

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyohe else glad the White Sox got Griffey

Playing him in center is a phenomenally bad idea. I hope the Sox do it. Their opponents will hit 5 doubles a game.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

That trade really didn’t bother me at all.

My buddy called me up in the morning OUTRAGED. I’d have been much more concerned had the Sox got a pitcher, especially a reliever.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he doesn't fit anywhere

I think trying to cram Griffey into that lineup will hurt them as much as it helps them, especially seeing as he’s not much of a defender anymore.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

even still

Zach has given the Tigers another decent outing.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

He needs more runs. They’re not losing this game because of how Zach’s throwing.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

especially

against the first place team in the AL East, let’s not lose sight of that (even though they are the Rays and we’re used to them being bad)...

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but maybe not the quality start you were talking about....

The Tigers had their chance in the first and should had blown it open…...still three innings to go…

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops.....

there’s the solo HR I was talking about…..

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Zach Miner

can keep the Tigers in games. That’s all they need. Zach for 4th starter.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit, Joel

I swear, Leyland must want to kill his relievers.

Throw frickin’ strikes!

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What is it about

The Tigers pitchers and the 8&9 hitters?

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

only 2 runs

the Tigers offense can get that back.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Will Placido bunt....

or just try to bounce out to 2B?

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes......

because they know how to move a runner from 2B to 3B with no outs…....isn’t that on page three of the book “Baseball for Dummies”

Page 1 – throw the ball

Page 2 – hit the ball

Page 3 – freakin bunt the guy over to 3B

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooof!

I thought the ump would punch out Cabrera on that call.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

that walk

was Miggy Being Manny

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Was that you

that compared Miggy to Manny the other night?

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great.....thanx Cabrera

Now every close pitch for now on will be a strike…...

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If I had something to throw...

I would throw it right now. At Leyland. Yes, I know he is a thousand miles away. Just an expression.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Tigers fall out of the hunt (even more)

Who would you like you be booted? Me:

1 Todd Jones
#2 Gary Sheffield
#3 Nate Robertson

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Jonesy...

is a foregone conclusion. I would like to see Sheff DFA. Won’t happen. Waiver trade won’t happen either.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sick and tired

of defending Sheff. I stood up for him for a LONG time and I stood up for TJ for a long time. Now? Throw the bums out.

And I’m not averse to putting Renteria on that same bus. Let the kids in Triple-A get some time in the majors so they’ll be ready for next year.

Ok, Nate can go too.

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

pop up

he probably could’ve caught in the LF stands

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

pretty much

gave up on it even though it was only like 2 feet into the stands.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who needs to go
1 Pudge (done)
#2 Todd Jones
#3 Sheffield
#4 Renteria
#5 Robertson

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sox up...

4-0. Griffey with 2 RBI. I can almost hear the Sox fans from here.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sox

Still have 7 games against the Red Sox and 4 games these Rays.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know.

And Griffey will cost them runs in CF. I love the guy, but he can’t cover ground, and they have several fly-ball pitchers.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could anybody else feel that coming?

I wish I’d have called it: Longoria homers off Zumaya.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 9:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You DID say

Zumaya smells like gas. So I’ll give it to you.

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm.

Wondering if I should go to bed now. Oops. It is only 9 o clock.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Anyone notice...

How the best players on every team just wear this staff out completely? Quentin, Dye, Morneau, Sizemore, Longoria. Can’t we get any of these guys out?

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

time to move on

I’m watching Star Trek: Deep Space Nine reruns. And before you make fun, just realize that it was one of the best shows ever on TV and clearly the best Star Trek….

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the Pale Moonlight

if anyone else wants to reminisce

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a question

In the past, Leyland used to go out to the mound a lot more often, sometimes right in the middle of an at bat, and talk to his pitcher. Is it me or is that not happening as much lately?

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that's been a problem all season

Though maybe he feels like these guys have to work it out themselves. I don’t know.

by Ian Casselberry on Aug 1, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's certainly gotten quiet here

I think most of us really don’t think the Tigers are going to score 4 in the top of the ninth. I’m not about to watch Star Trek, but I’m close to packing it in.

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

understood

but this is one HELL of an episode.

by ThaWalrus9 on Aug 1, 2008 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Riddle me this, Batman

How do the Tigers get nine walks and still only have two runs?

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sheff was the guy in position to knock six of them in.

He accomplished one, with a walk.

That is simplistic and overly blaming one guy, but he gagged huge two times.

by rook34 on Aug 1, 2008 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My God

The Tigers probably could have walked in 4 or 5 runs at least in those first 4 innings if they’d just let Cazmir keep throwing balls all over the place. I found it absolutely unbelievable that some of the Tiger hitters didn’t take advantage of his horrid pitching those first few. RISP for pitchers just stand there. This game is distracting me from my sorrow from yesterday, but the Tigers look pathetic.

by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Until tomorrow

Good night

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

by MSU4LIF on Aug 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

All I can say is

Good night long-suffering Tigers fans.

by pfuhrmeister on Aug 1, 2008 10:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Todd Jones

Am I the only one suspicous that Toddd Jones just suddenly developed a sore shoulder 6 weeks ago, according to him, right at the trade deadline. I was actually thinking about this before my dog died. How convenient for him! I also think this will be Leland’s last year as manager.

by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you rook34

I still haven’t accepted it yet. He was with me 14 years. The Tiger games at least keep my mind off it for a few hours and I get so pissed off at them.

by densogirl on Aug 1, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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