Game 112: Tigers (55-56) at White Sox (65-44)
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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PrintDetroit Tigers at Chicago White Sox, Aug 5, 2008 8:11 PM EDT
Nate Robertson (6-8, 6.06) vs. 
Gavin Floyd (11-6, 3.43)
Though it seems as if the Tigers are effectively out of the AL Central and playoff race after getting swept in Tampa, this three-game series with the White Sox could either put a more definitive note on that sentiment or keep this team in the limbo it's been swimming in for the past couple of months. Perhaps it's delusional thinking, but what if Detroit wins two out of three games? Are they squarely in the division race or is it just another hope-tantalizing tease? Of course, if the Sox win or sweep, the bus toward 2009 can probably start moving. (It's already warmed up.)
Nate Robertson might find himself in a similar limbo after tonight. Given his abominable performance recently (7.77 ERA in his last four outings), this could very well be his last start for the Tigers. But what if Nate goes out and throws one of those games that shows just how good he can be when it all comes together? Or what if it's just good enough, as it was the last time he faced the White Sox?
Honestly, what would be more frustrating: For Robertson to blow up yet again tonight or to pitch well? A terrible game would mean a loss, yet perhaps push the Tigers into making a decision. A good game might help, but really wouldn't really answer anything. (Though it could possibly boost any trade value he might have.)
For the White Sox, Gavin Floyd is 3-0 with a 3.77 ERA in seven career starts against Detroit. At first glance, this looks like a brutal series-opening match-up.
Those waiting for big changes in tonight's lineup will likely be disappointed. Ryan Raburn gets the start in left field, but that's probably because he's 5-for-12 against Floyd. No word on the bullpen, however. Also, Ozzie Guillen has been suspended for two games for his role in Sunday's brawl with Kansas City.
South Side Sox has your SB Nation opposing view for this three-game series.
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Nate Robinson
I like Nate I just dont like his abilities..he seems like a good clubshouse guy, and mild mannered guy…early on his career he always seemed to never get any run support…now he just doesnt seem reliable..this match-up has me feeling the same way I did before his last match up against Cliff Lee..very low..(hopefully it works out like that game did)
I don't feel as strongly as I did five days ago
But I feel like I can’t even look at Nate right now.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
LINE-UPS
Tigers
C Granderson CF
P Polanco 2B
C Guillen 3B
M Ordonez RF
M Cabrera 1B
G Sheffield DH
R Raburn LF
B Inge C
E Renteria SS
White Sox’s
O Cabrera SS
A Pierzynski C
C Quentin LF
J Dye RF
J Thome DH
P Konerko 1B
K Griffey Jr. CF
A Ramirez 2B
J Uribe 3B
I thought that Leyland was pissed...
I was promised changes. Why is Renteria still playing? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?
I'd love to read into Thames not playing
But Raburn in LF must be a match-up thing. Otherwise, why not Joyce?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting Matchup
If you go over to the South Side Sox, they’ve got the stat line for both Gavin Floyd and Nate. Nate’s K rate is about the same, and his walk rate is better. The HR rate is about the same as well.
Looking at BABIP (Batting Avg for Balls In Play), hitters are apparently crushing the ball vs. Nate, to the tune of .346. (We knew this, of course…sigh) His career average is .308-worse than league average-but still, maybe some bad luck there. Or crappier defense. A little of Column A, a little of Column B.
Floyd, on the other hand, is carrying a .236 BABIP, compared to his .282 career mark. Good luck? Sox better hope it’s not defense, if they plan to play Griffey in CF for the rest of the year.
Renteria, changes?
I just dont think its much of an upgrade putting Santiago at short…now as far as Sheffield goes I really dont see how he is ever in the line up over Matt Joyce, righty or lefty I dont care Joyce has been rock solid this year..not to mention Marcus Thames??? why would Rayburn be in the line-up over Joyce or Thames? WTF
Don't know if you guys caught this
But Leyland says Zumaya will pitch the ninth tonight, if the Tigers have a lead.
I thought Zoom was out a few days?
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Well, he had three days off, right?
Saturday through Monday.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
fair enough...
that time is a blur to me.
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I like what I'm seeing from Floyd so far...
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Although...
I won’t feel comfortable with Nate on the mound unless the Tigers are up 14 or more.
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Wow...
it looked like Placido muscled that one out.
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Magnificent
When Polanco hits it out, it could be a good night.
Of course, as Blake just noted, Nate hasn’t taken the mound yet.
Ryan Rayburn IN 60 games, 105 at-bats, 25 hits, 8 doubles, 4 home-runs, 13 Rbi’s,and A .238 BATTING AVERAGE
Marcus Thames IN 75 games, 224 at-bats, 55 hits, 10 doubles, 20 home runs, 44 Rbi’s, and a .236 average..
Matt Joyce IN 46 games, 140 at -bats, 39 hits, 10 doubles, 10 Homerun’s and 25 Rbi’s..and is batting .279
kinda of interesting comparison to me..if you double Rayburn’s at bats and his other numbers they would be close to Thames in most catergory’s except homers and Rbi’s..
so they lose power with Rayburn in Left instead of Thames BUT AND A MAJOR BUT..YOU DOUBLE JOYCE’S numbers and he hits for power and probably plays left as good or better then Thames…I dont see with the roster we have why joyce is not starting every day??
Oh, man
I don’t know if I have it in me.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
The wind must’ve been blowing in on that O. Cabrera drive to right field.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupid Inge...
and all of his swinging and missing. Fly ball does the job there.
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My condolences...
To anyone stuck watching Extra Innings with Hawk. I missed Polonco’s HR, so I just checked it out on MLB Gameday. Hawk sounded like he’d been munching on Ambien all day. God, the Sox broadcasts are boring.
How about one inning where a guy does not reach second, be nice to see that..it seems like a week since A Tiger pitcher went 1-2-3…
man, you are a mess...
if it happens, take as a sign of things changing. you’d take a bad 110 games out of him if it meant a good next two seasons right? positive ian, positive.
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Love seeing Raburn playing
Personally, I think Joyce has cooled off a little bit. Raburn is better when he plays more often, but the skipper isn’t going for that. At least he can lay down a decent bunt and has some speed, plus he’s got a pretty good glove. My God, Carlos is cold as ice lately.
Think so?
Never thought about him that way but I can see where some would. He hustles a little more than Brandon.
I bet..
Robertson gives up at least five runs tonight. I know he’s at 0 right now, but he just looks like the same ol’ nate to me.
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Wow no matter how manny times
I’ve seen sheff take a huge rip like that… im still amazed
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at least neither nate nor gavin is as bad as edgar
uh nvm
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alright boney
time to shut the fuck up kk thanks
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if not i apologize
grandy land nvm my bad for f bomb dont care anymore
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what ever
Im not going to engage into a fight over a game thread
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and...
that’s why Griffey shouldn’t play CF any more.
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Loved Dye's reaction to the HR...
Took a first step back and then decided “Uhh… nevermind. I’ll just stand and watch.”
Yes
bullpen still might let us down
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Wow, Jimmy and Boner turned up the heat in here. And I like the Zappa reference MSU4LIF…
gumtime.mlblogs.com
C'mon, guys
Are you going to make me be that guy? Disagree all you want, but knock off the name-calling.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey boys and girls
Glad to be back.
I apologize for not being around for the disaster that was the early part of this roadtrip.
And in light of the posts, I’ll stay positive and say I feel good about the bullpen tonight.
was
just about to comment on that Old man look at my life im a lot like you
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 5, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
The same guy
yelled “strike 3” on the inside ball four….also funny
Stuck in Cleveland...
The only baseball on is STO (SportsTime Ohio) Indians vs. Rays…I don’t want to keep watching the Rays…
Watching on MLB Gameday is worse than RBI baseball for the NES…actually it’s worse than “baseball” for the Atari 2600…
its all i got
down here in houston
by dettigionswings'stons on Aug 5, 2008 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Jon Kibler
took a perfect game into the 7th inning tonight for the Whitecaps…....remember his name….tall lefty.
...against the Great Lakes Loons!
The Loons are only in their second season located in Midland, MI – just a stones throw from my residence in Auburn, MI. The Loons have been pretty much awful since they started. Lance Parish was their manager last year and got fired at the end of the year.
He should have run AJ over
I dont care if he was anywhere near the plate. AJ should be run over as often as possible
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
yea AJ is
a real douche
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by (TIGS) JIMDALE on Aug 5, 2008 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
The collected lint from Hawk Harrelson's belly button?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions
You gave him a chuckle Ian
But now he’s arguing with me that shouldn’t it be lint from his socks since they are the White Sox…...I told him Southpaw must have turned green from all the toe jam.
Why would someone named "MSU4LIF" be interested in Kibler...
Did he go to school around here or something? :)
Kidding of course. I live in Grand Rapids and have seen him a couple of times this year. Pitched 7 innings with 1 ER against Ft. Wayne and 6 shutout innings against Peoria. And has excellent numbers this year. The last I saw his ERA was around two, and he probably dipped below that after tonights performance. Fingers crossed for the future.
Kibler's ERA
I haven’t been paying close enough attention apparently. His ERA was 1.78 entering the night.
Yep.....MSU grad Kibler is quite the prospect to keep an eye on.
He ended up pitching a 2 hit complete game shut out.
Alfredo Figaro got called up to Lakeland last weekend, but I heard he lost his first game tonight with them.
Sorry, I got a bit lost in my own place for a while.
I’m just west of GR, actually. In Walker. I’m going to GVSU right now.
Hey Pete
You and your daughter have a good time at the ballgame tonight?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
She's seven
and just read the first three Harry Potter books in 10 days.
by pfuhrmeister on Aug 5, 2008 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
when was the last time......
robertson made it through 6 innings with less than 3 earned runs?
Sheffield
.256 with 2 runs in the last 9 games…..just saw that on Baseball Tonight
What I didn't want
Going into the 9th inning with a 1 run lead and Zoom closing. On the other hand, maybe we don’t have to worry about a 1 run lead.
Keep saying this...
But Leyland must want to strangle his relievers.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 10:48 PM EDT reply actions
Ian, do you think Chuck Hernandez should take most or very little responsibility for the bullpen?
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish I had a good answer for that
I’m not a big fan of Chuck Hernandez, but I don’t know if it’s his fault that the relievers can’t or won’t throw strikes.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I know it's not his fault
But I gotta think he should share some of the responsibility. He should be able to change their mechanics or their mind sets or something! I mean, what exactly, would ya say, he does here?
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Part of the problem
Someone at Hardball Times showed how Hernandez coaches his guys to rush their deliveries. That might be a big reason they’re having control problems.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions
You can see it on his face.
Every time he goes out to make a change, you can see the stress and anger about to boil over. When Rodney was blowing the extra-inning game in Cleveland, Leyland was paing around the dugout looking like he wanted to take a swing at somebody.
I just had to mute my computer
because the White Sox announcers made me throw up in my mouth
That is exactly what sucks
about MLB TV for your computer…......
Rod and Mario are biased towards the Tigers...
But at least when other teams score runs, they manage to sound somewhat excited. Hawk and Jackson always sound like they just saw somebody run over their dog.
time for the sticks
and the Calvary to ride in
by dettigionswings'stons on Aug 5, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
The most annoying sports-related things in my life at this exact moment:
1) Tigers Bullpen
2) Hawk Harrelson
3) Tigers Bullpen
4) Brett Favre
5) Nate Robertson
The blonde hair thing...
That the Sox have going on is pretty stupid looking. Uribe’s facial hair really bothers me.
During the half inning - Hernandez
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecNt4jr8gho
skip to 0:39 for the funny bits
Check that
Farns coming in!! Take cover!
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Thursday night! Lions! Giants! Be there!
I’ll be watching.
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Congrats Todd Jones
You are no longer the most hated member of the bullpen
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
we'll keep staring
til the end of sept lol
by dettigionswings'stons on Aug 5, 2008 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
once again...
this game is the season all rolled up into one game.
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I may be alone on this...
but I kind of feel bad for Farnsworth. He was cooking in NYC and then out of nowhere gets traded. He was just finding his groove. Then he gets traded to a team he wants nothing to do with.
Is it just me?
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find it hard to feel sorry for
someone who wants nothing to do with the team I root for
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 5, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I can kinda see that side of it
But dude, you’re a professional. Play like you know how to, the other stuff will work itself out.
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
^^^
this isnt intramurals brother!
by dettigionswings'stons on Aug 5, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude's going to be a free agent
the one time you would like someone to play for a big contract…
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
I think we all probably underestimate how much of a jolt it could be to get traded when you don’t expect or want it.
But Farnsworth is also a professional.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
right.
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by spotstarters on Aug 5, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It is just you....
Even if the trade throws you for a loop (see: Farnsworth/ESPN interview), you’re a professional ball player and you should go out and play 110%.
So, I don’t feel bad for him at all. I could care less if he wants nothing to do with the Tigers, he should have more focus for that.
I love Zumaya
But I’d still bet $10 he gives up a walk-off home run.
I’m disgusted.
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the pitches from Rodney’s most recent blown save could have been classified as wild pitches
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Kyle Farnsworth.
In my uneducated opinion, Kyle Farnsworth is a piece of shit.
I understand he’s a human being and has feelings like everyone else, but pitch like you care. I swear, cry me a freaking river that you’re no longer pitching for the NY Yankees. You know, I got switched to another team at work last month, and I continued to come to work and be professional.
And as an aside, why in the hell did Leyland remove Seay? Because he retired too many batters in a row? Does he know he has better numbers against righties? Am I too irritated to be leaving comments on a message board?
Farnsworth
ALL I AM GOING TO SAY IS SOMEBODY IN MANAGEMENT BETTER DO SOMETHING
QUICK why would you pull your most consistent pitcher out of the pen and replace him with the likes of farnsworth what in the hell is leland doing that was T TOTAL STUPID MOVE
Management...
...is the one who traded the face of the franchise for the guy that gave up the home run.
I'm as upset as everyone else
on a different tack though, how often does the offense put up 4-6 runs in the first few innings and then pack it in? With a crappy bullpen like this, they really need to add on. They should score a run or 2 off of DJ freaking Carrasco.
if anyone else is watching the White Sox TV feed
they understand the term “justifiable homicide” when it comes to Hawk Harrelson right now.
I gotta be honest...
I’m a Tigers fan, and right now I live in NY, and let me just say what every Yankee fan has said for 2 seasons…
“Farnsworth sucks.”
I’m sorry I had to say that, since you don’t like to say that about your own team, but they were correct. A Yankee fan would see the trade as an absolute steal. They really gave up nothing to get Pudge. And to be honest, I saw him play last year against the Devil Rays at Yankee Stadium, and he was not only booed, but booed because he gave up a homer. Honestly, I watched the Yankees a lot for the last few seasons, and he gives up too many homers. Sometimes he can make a guy look silly on a strikeout, but he throws with a decent speed right down the middle far too often.
With all of the recent comments right now, it seems most people here already seem to be saying a lot of what the Yankee’s fans said. It just sucks that I am going to my uncles house and he is a Yankee fan whom I asked a few times about Farnsworth only to get the generic response that he sucks. Now that he’s on my team I can only imagine what he will say…
yeah
its something to be losing from the start. but to give us hope and then snatch defeat from the jaws of victory…man this sucks
by dettigionswings'stons on Aug 5, 2008 11:23 PM EDT reply actions
i bet if you looked...
you could find worse trades.
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by spotstarters on Aug 5, 2008 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
seriously. way worse.
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by spotstarters on Aug 5, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's happy to see Farnsworth out there for the 9th?
Raise your hand
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions
every sox fan in the world
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by spotstarters on Aug 5, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions
How long...
...til Mario starts drinking in the booth like Harry Doyle in Major League? He sounds so disgusted.
They are showing replays over and over
And they are acting as if he made that play…..
Mags basically hit the ball into his glove.
End of story.
I hate today. I do.
The worst part?
The White Sox and their fans will surely think this come from behind win is yet another sign this team is charmed.
Helps when you play the Tigers 34 times.
Scale of 1-10, 10 being most likely...
How likely is it that the White Sox win in the bottom of the 9th?
11?
12?
I say no
they win it in the bottom of the 10th, after the Tigers take a lead in the top of the 10th, because that’ll be more painful.
I'm calling it
Carlos Quentin walk-off homer.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
I can already hear Left-Field's Finest
calling him Farnsworthless
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
Well...
Happy to be wrong on Quentin. We’ll see if rock n rye was right about Dye.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:30 PM EDT reply actions
Let's guess what Leyland said to Farnsworth
“If you give up another home run, I will put out my next cigarette on your pitching hand. Understand?”
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:31 PM EDT reply actions
Henning's first name is Lynn!
I smell conspiracy…!!
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 5, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
That gave me the warm and fuzzies
Then Mario said Rodney is heating up..
by explosivo2k2 on Aug 5, 2008 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
the White Sox announcers are absurd
geez, take Juan Uribe off the field and immediately dip him in bronze to commemorate him playing third base better than anyone in history ever has. The gushing is insane.
Of course
according to our friends in the White Sox booth, Juan Uribe should win a gold glove…...
at least that is how they feel by how they are acting
And yes
Neither me nor the Walrus are going to stop complaining until this game is over
Little known fact
Fernando Rodney’s middle name is “Gascannuclearexplosion”
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
he normally only gives up one hit
it’s just usually he has the bases loaded due to walks
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com/
I might settle for Kelly Preston
Especially if she can throw strikes.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Why these guys are so maddening
Blowing Griffey, Jr. away on a 99 mph fastball? That’s why Rodney still has a spot on this roster.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 5, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions
Gee, you think Dotel liked coming out there?
Nice wicked smile as he walked toward the dugout.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
Didn't we institute a New Rule?
No multiple innings from a reliever, unless it’s Fossum or Lopez?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
this is why his recent implosions were more painful that Jones'
When Todd Jones implodes, it wasn’t a surprise, he has mediocre stuff. Rodney has GREAT stuff, so the implosions were almost worse.
Rodney continues to shut me up
But if he comes out for a fourth inning, I will scream.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:25 AM EDT reply actions
Or that Moody Blues song
Welcome back, my friends, to the show that never ends…
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Am I asleep or dreaming?
Polanco with another home run?
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:48 AM EDT reply actions
Not that I can recall
I forgot we still have to face ‘em in the bottom of the 14th. Please, God, let us win this game.
And now... the next hurdle to clear
This bullpen protecting a lead and closing a game.
by Ian Casselberry on Aug 6, 2008 12:54 AM EDT reply actions
To be a fly on the wall in the Tigers clubhouse.
Does Jim flip out or just let them lie in their own shit?
i'm imagine at this point
they’re more deflated than the fan base.
by Kurt Mensching on Aug 6, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Someone please....
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=caple/080805
Go tell Mr.Caple he’s very very very wrong
driving home, long day, finally feeling like something positive happening….and then this…..the end came as I was getting off the highway…..felt like ramming the damn car into the wall…..
that pic walrus just posted, yeah, that about sums it up….
CAN ANYONE ON THIS TEAM SAVE A GAME?????
at this point it's just feeding on itself
the bullpen is really caught in a vicious cycle of failure.
as the bottom of the 14th was unfolding
I was literally rehearsing my rant about their bullpen tomorrow to my co-workers. They need someone to break them out of it, probably a new face, and it’s apparently not going to be Farnsworth.
All right kids, that's all for me.
I’ll see you all next year. I’ve got to stop watching these games. Every night this team finds a new and creative way to break my spirit. I’m done and so is our baseball team.
what does that sound like?
“Every night this team finds a new and creative way to break my spirit”
replace “night” with “week’....and you could be talking about the Lions…..
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