Chuck Hernandez is Now Unemployed
Detroit Tigers pitching coach Chuck Hernandez didn't have to wait very long to find out his job status for next season. According to Tom Gage, Hernandez was told before this afternoon's game that he had been fired. He was still in uniform for today's home finale, however, and will presumably coach tomorrow's make-up game in Chicago. He had one year left on his contract with the Tigers.
The Tigers' pitching staff finished the season with a collective ERA of 4.88, the third-worst total in the American League. (Only Texas and Baltimore were worse.) Besides Armando Galarraga (who began the season in Triple-A), virtually every pitcher in a Detroit uniform performed worse than he did last year.
Perhaps most troubling was the decline of Justin Verlander, whose ERA increased more than a full run. His walks also increased, while his strikeout totals went down. (Interestingly, the margin of difference in both categories was 20.) Hernandez also was never able to figure out what was plaguing Nate Robertson and Dontrelle Willis, both of whom struggled with mechanics and control of their key pitches to the point where they had to be removed from the Tigers' starting rotation (and in Willis' case, the major leagues).
Bullpen coach Jeff Jones was also dismissed. Everything that was said above Hernandez above could probably be applied to Jones, as well. Kyle Farnsworth's ERA rocketed from 3.65 when he arrived from the Yankees to 4.48. Relievers coming from the bullpen and putting hitters on base via either walk or hit seemed to be a regular occurrence, with no one seemingly capable of bailing out of a jam when needed.
Is it unfair to pin everything on the coaches? Sure. Injuries played a big part in the struggles of several pitchers, including Kenny Rogers, Jeremy Bonderman, Todd Jones, Joel Zumaya, and Fernando Rodney. And in several cases, those players kept their physical issues to themselves, only to finally have to admit their difficulties when they became too much to bear. (Of course, some of that has to be laid on the Tigers' medical staff too, who hardly had a good year.)
Ultimately, however, with a pitching staff that will undergo at least a partial overhaul this off-season, a change simply had to be made. If Hernandez was capable of figuring out what was wrong with his pitchers, he certainly didn't show it throughout the 2008 season.
So what do you think of this move? Hallelujah? Or is Hernandez being made a scapegoat for an underperforming set of players, some of whom may have carried around an over-inflated sense of entitlement coming into this season? And who might you like to see replace Hernandez on the Tigers' coaching staff?
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Had to be done
If it was just Verlander or Willis or Zumaya than I think Hernandez could have been excused.
But it was every guy who stepped foot on the mound and they all had the same issue, control. When no one on your pitching staff, especially your ace, can throw strikes something is up and it’s the coach’s responsibility.
We also entered the third season where Bonderman still can’t throw a changeup.
On another note I think Verlander’s issues with the ChiSox and Indians is partially Hernandez’s responsibility too. Somebody obviously can see something in the video room of those teams and are taking advantage of it. It seems to me that figuring out what that something is also falls to Hernandez and he apparently has no clue.
The season can’t be placed squarely on Chuck’s shoulders but I think this is a necessary move going into 2009. At the same time I’ve no idea who replaces him. I think the only pitching coach I even know by name is Rick Peterson.
by MacRae on Sep 28, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thank god hes finally gone. i dont think willis is great but i think hernandez had a lot to do with his sharp decline after coming to the tigers.
by HavocRox on Sep 28, 2008 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Called this
oh….about 3-4 months ago. I will have to go back and look, but YES this needed to happen.
by Zappatista on Sep 28, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sad to see him go, but it’s time to move on as a staff. A fresh set of coaching lips talking into those pitching ears can’t make things much worse.
I don’t believe Hernandez and (Jeff) Jones should shoulder the blame for the pitching woes, but they obviously couldn’t help much. I know the Tigers (and to a lesser extend, baseball) blogosphere will be overjoyed by this because by-and-large they’ve been looking for a scapegoat.
I’m more curious to know who is going to take their place. What does the free agent market (so to speak) for coaching look like?
by john.kmiecik on Sep 28, 2008 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The right move.
The reality is that our ace is going to lead the AL in losses. Verlander has regressed. Bonderman hasn’t made much progress. Robertson has regressed. Willis is a basketcase (although he was bad last year). Zumaya has made no progress. Rodney has regressed.
Whether Chuck was a great coach or the worst coach in history, the fact is that the most important of his charges have all floundered over the past couple years. He might’ve been the right coach in 2006, but his isn’t for 2009.
by ThaWalrus9 on Sep 28, 2008 8:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No avoiding it.
Chuck had to go, unless Leyland went, and then Chuck would have gone with him anyway. Too many concurrent regressions for him to stay on. Think how bad Verlander and Robertson will be if they go backward again in 09. Chilling.
More important questions are about which players will be leaving, and who will replace them.
by rook34 on Sep 28, 2008 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...might’ve been the right coach in 2006...
This is a pretty solid assessment, methinks. It might be that he’s a great guy to tweak mechanics, but that he’s less solid in the “what to throw when” department. He might be fantastic with a raw staff, but less so in trying to get the most out of what are fundamentally good pitchers.
However, much as the 2006 staff maybe wasn’t entirely to his credit (Zumaya and Rodney being awesome, Bonderman having his best year, Jason Grilli actually being a mildly effective pitcher, etc.), he’s certainly not entirely to blame for this year. This staff was just one thing after another. Jonesy and Rogers getting old…should’ve been expected. Zoom and Rodney not making it back…could’ve been anticipated. Willis being kinda bad…well, he did it last year, too. Verlander having an off year…a bit odd. Robertson being kinda terrible…is weird. Bonderman sidelined from the season…is pretty much the thing that I look at to say that we had some rather epic bad luck. We lost or lost ground with an entire starting rotation.
by cherub_daemon on Sep 29, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes!
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it right here again. Kenny Roger’s could potentially be an amazing pitching coach. He’s been around the game long enough to know what’s up and he’s made it clear he loves being in Detroit.
by His Royal Daveness on Sep 29, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure!
If he’ll do it for a reasonable amount of money, this seems like a pretty good idea. Assuming he can effectively make the transition between “buddy” and “coach”. Those Spartan fans among you will not need to be reminded of the Bobby WIlliams era to see how this transition can be mishandled.
On a more humorous note, picture, in your mind’s eye, Todd Jones the pitching coach:
“Awright, so what you gotta do is hum that thing up there mebbe 82, 83, and hope Grandy can get under it.”
Okay, that wasn’t fair. Ooh, ooh, though…what about Jason Grilli the pitching coach:
“Some days, you’re going to be missing some zip on that fastball, so throw him a first pitch slider. If he doesn’t bite, it’s only 1-0, so you can throw him another slider. If he still doesn’t bite, it’s 2-0…a classic fastball count. So now, you use that expectation against him, and throw him that slider. If he still didn’t like it, it’s 3-0. You need to put something in the zone, AND THE HITTER KNOWS IT. What you do at this point is try to sneak a slider past him. Okay, so now let’s say you walked him. Man on base, you can’t give this guy something to hit, so let him see that slider…”
That wasn’t fair either, but that inning against the Yanks in the 2006 ALDS was maybe the craziest thing I’ve ever seen.
by cherub_daemon on Sep 29, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's about time!
it’s an entire season to late. but at least it finally happened!
"I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger...Then it hit me!"
by Doc Maverick on Sep 29, 2008 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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