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Should Polly have had that ball in the 10th?

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I've read it many places that Polly should have had that ball in the 10th to turn the game ending double play.  The way I saw it, it's a turf grounder that got through.  Even if Polly had gotten to the ball, he probably just would have gotten the force at second and the run would have scored anyway. 

Doesn't really matter, I guess, but I'm wondering if people saw it the same way I did. 

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I’m under the impression it was a Metrodome-single as well. If Polanco had snared it, they probably would have just gotten the force at second because Matt Tolbert runs really well. On the other hand, it would’ve erased Brendan Harris, which means that Alexi Casilla would have never entered the game…Ah, who am I kidding? Harris could have singled just as easily as Casilla.

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 10, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like "shoulda" questions...

The game shoulda never went into extra’s anyways.

by madpoopz on Oct 10, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't like them either.

But that play is haunting me, even moreso as Polly is likely gone.

by rook34 on Oct 10, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Inge got hit

End of story- he gets hit, we go up a run and Keppel pitches differently to Laird. And even if Laird fans, we have Santiago hitting next. And even if we only go up a run, it encourages Rodney to be more conservative, or Leyland to put in a new pitcher.

We got screwed.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 10, 2009 3:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Serves the twins to get swept, also to get screwed on the bad call at yankee park

I could care less that they got hosed because we were the ones to get hosed 1st. stupid ump…

by msivits on Oct 13, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Raburn makes an error in judgment.

Should he keep the ball in front of him – possibly we win. Also if Curtis doesn’t make a base running error we still have runners at the corners with 2 down.

There are many what ifs, but running through them doesn’t change the fact there were many opportunities squandered and the end result was a Tigers’ loss.

by 13194013 on Oct 10, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Stop picking at the scab.

It will just leave a larger scar that way. :(

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Oct 10, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Assuming if A happened or didn’t happen, then B would be different is a false assumption. it’s a frequent one in sports. “If we had only gotten that call, we’d win. If he had only gotten to that ball, we win.” But very rarely can you say something for sure would lead to a different result. A dropped pop-up with one out left in the game, sure. After that, the certainty will go down.

If Raburn doesnt play a single into a triple, maybe the tigers win. If Polanco gets to the ball, maybe he turns a double play. But you know what, maybe the next batter hits a home run because he’s pitched to differently, too.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 10, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if you change the call to HBP...

than the run scores. If the next batter repeats what he does (slow, high bouncer to 2b I think) regardless of new favorable call, another run scores. After that it doesn’t matter. We go up by at least 2 than. At that point it comes down to who pitches the next half inning. Considering that Rodney was very effective this season I’d say we win at that point.

by madpoopz on Oct 14, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

again, here's the problem

just because inge gets a run home, you cannot say the next batter does exactly the same thing, because everything is different. maybe the twins change pitchers? maybe the pitcher attacks the batter differently. maybe the exact same pitch and exact same swing result in the ball going to a new location. you just cannot assume.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 14, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But we’re definitely up a run, and that changes thinks significantly. Pretending it doesn’t is outrageous.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 14, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

who the heck is assuming that?

read the original question. read what I wrote. tell me where the assumption about the bottom half of the inning is.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 14, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Inge gets hit

And the bases are loaded, a run scores. The situation is then 1 man out with bases loaded. Yes, the inning could have ended with a Laird K and a Santiago groundout (or whatever) but we still would have been up a run.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 15, 2009 2:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's try this differently

A popular thing to say after a 1-hitter is, “If only he hadn’t allowed George that hit in the third inning, he would have had a no-hitter.”

Yes and no.

Yes, if you take away George’s hit, that’s no hits allowed.

But no, you do not know that is the case. If George didn’t get the hit in the third inning, maybe someone else gets the hit in the eighth because the pitcher realizes he has a no hitter, or the batters try harder to avoid being no-hit, or the wind gusts at the wrong time, or any other number of reasons.

It is a fallacy to assume event B happens regardless of event A. In your mind, event B happens because you want it to happen and nothing more.

So — and I never once argued the Tigers scoring a run wouldn’t increase their chances of winning, I argued the Tigers scoring a second run could not be claimed with certainty — let’s start this over.

If Inge gets hit, a run scores. That is a certainty because the bases are loaded. But you cannot assume any more runs score after that point. Maybe they do, maybe they don’t.

So, OK, Inge gets hit and the Tigers lead by a run. We are now in an alternative reality. Assuming the same set of events follows the reality is a false assumption. In the alternative reality, everything is different. Pitchers look at the situations differently. Managers look at the situations differently. Batters look at the situation differently.

Another way of looking at it. If the umpire called a pitch a strike instead of a ball, it improves the pitchers’ chances of getting a positive outcome. But it does not guarantee that outcome.

Thus the re-imagining of a situation is a fruitless task where you try to talk yourself into believing a positive for your team would have occurred if only something else didn’t interfere.

The Tigers did not play well enough. They lost. Anything else is a work of fiction.

by Kurt Mensching on Oct 15, 2009 12:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A needless summary by me.

Nothing is certain – just because you change A to B does not mean C will happen. Situation changes mean different everything.

Only a few things are constant. For instance: my hatred of Nick Punto.

by 13194013 on Oct 16, 2009 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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