Would Rudy Jaramillo Be a Hitting Coach Upgrade?
Despite Tiger Town's wishes to the contrary, it appears that Lloyd McClendon will be coming back next season as the Detroit Tigers' hitting coach. (When the team's general manager calls the current hitting coach a "very good hitting coach," you have to like his chances of keeping that job.)
But when a name like long-time Texas Rangers hitting coach Rudy Jaramillo suddenly becomes available, it's natural to wonder if he could provide an upgrade.
With Jaramillo on staff, the Rangers regularly found themselves among the league leaders in numerous offensive categories. Players from other teams trained with him in the offseason. Batters such as Milton Bradley, Mark DeRosa, Mark Teixeira, and Josh Hamilton have excelled under Jaramillo's tutelage in recent years. Michael Young won a batting title working with him. And what about the MVP seasons from Juan Gonzalez, Pudge Rodriguez, and Alex Rodriguez that occurred while they played with the Rangers?
For a team like the Tigers, who struggled so badly to score runs this season, it seems like Jaramillo might have something to offer.
As it turns out, however, the Rangers may have let Jaramillo go for some of the same reasons for which McClendon has been criticized. Kurt Mensching covered this thoroughly at Mack Avenue Tigers earlier, and you should check out his post. But look at this information from Rangers beat writer Evan Grant and see if you notice any similarities:
The Rangers ranked seventh in runs scored in the AL in 2009, but ranked 11th of 14 teams in batting average (.260) and 12th in on-base percentage (.320). There were concerns about the team's approach, particularly how often the Rangers swung at first pitches and put themselves in unfavorable hitting counts. Though the Rangers ranked in the middle of the pack in pitches per plate appearance (7th at 3.86), they had the highest percentage of first-pitch swings in the AL (31.1) last season.
And after this season, Rangers manager Ron Washington expressed concern over his team's inconsistency with situational hitting. Texas finished 20th in the majors at driving in runners from scoring position. That was worse than the Tigers this year, folks. They finished 18th.
If you believe Tigers batters swung at the first pitch too often, if they frequently failed to work the count in their favor by taking pitches and waiting for the right one to hit, does this sound like much of a difference? Is that the change the Tigers need?
Another problem could be that Jaramillo is apparently looking to get paid. It's not clear how much he made last year with the Rangers, but Texas has paid a premium for its coaches in the past. Other teams, such as the Mets two years ago, were interested in hiring Jaramillo, and Texas presumably had to give him a contract competitive enough to keep him from leaving. (EDIT: According to Randy Galloway, Jaramillo's contract offer for next season was $545,000.)
Jim Leyland has a pretty tight crew with his coaching staff. Would bringing in an outside hire, one likely getting paid much more than the other coaches with a multi-year contract, go over well?
Should the Tigers at least talk to Jaramillo and see what he might have to say about the current lineup? Or would his approach ultimately result in more of the same for Tigers hitters?
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I don't see what the point of considering it would be
we’re apparently sticking with mcclendon, jaramillo is super expensive, and the rangers have some of the same problems we have.
by allikazoo on Oct 15, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still don't buy that McClendon stays as the hitting coach.
DD hasn’t specifically said as much, so I don’t buy it til he says it. He seemed to go out of his way to say that the coaches would be back except for Van Slyke, and made sure not to get specific.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 15, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no upgrade here.
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by madpoopz on Oct 15, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You've gotta at least talk to the guy
The Rangers had a down year offensively, yes, but his track record is one of much success. As for being “expensive”, we’re talking about a hitting coach. Expensive is a relative term. You’d basically pay him slightly more than the league minimum player salary. At least bring the guy in for an interview.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 15, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Can’t really judge him on just one year of performance.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a syringe may have had more to do with the MVP seasons than coaching
I still don’t see how a coaching change will work. To borrow a phrase I’ve overheard in my neck of the woods…you can’t make chicken soup out of chicken shit
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by rock n rye on Oct 15, 2009 11:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
yes you can
just call it a delicacy, give it a french name and charge 6 times as much.
although in your neck of the woods people probably don’t like that hoity toity BS!
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 15, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, I thought about mentioning the performance enhancing aspect
of the Rangers’ success. But that’s why we have comments!
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 15, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aren't we like three years out from this tired, boring argument?
No, but seriously. It’s been three bloody years. Enough.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 15, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then why?
did the Tigers consistently have problems @ the plate that never seemed to be corrected. about the only one that really did was Mags & he was playin for his contract, what was it $18mil, n/s if we got that much worth outta of him on the year as a whole. I guess 1 outta what 20 guys makes you “very good”???
by LTownDown on Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just reading that little quote from DD in this story doesn't explain it
If you read the whole media availability with him, you’ll see that it was a non-denial denial. He basically denied that McClendon was the scapegoat without explicitly saying so, using the phrase from Ian’s story and other things along those lines.
Also, what the hell is “n/s”? Are we texting here or something all of a sudden? ;)
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 15, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what are you really trying to argue here?
the second half was worse than the first, so the batting instructor didn’t help? The Tigers OPS went down by .009 from pre-allstar to post-allstar. The Rangers’ OPS went down by .16. And Jaramillo is supposed to be the expert hitting instructor!
Tigers regular lineup members pre-post all-star
Granderson: .789 / .769
Polanco: .698 / .758
Ordonez: .673 / .878
Cabrera: .926 / .960
Guillen: .512 / .875 (injured in the frst half)
Inge: .876 / .542 (injured in the second half)
Laird: .690 / .546 (.673 career norm)
Everett: .672 / .535 (.648 career norm)
Santiago: .759 / .647 (.650 is his career norm)
bench:
Raburn: .842 / .993
Thames: .875 / .685
So what do we have? Some got better. Some playing over their heads came back to earth.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 15, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep trying to make this point as...
but we’ll hear this argument again.
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by madpoopz on Oct 15, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DAMN
it goes up there. (can my day get better please??!!)
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by madpoopz on Oct 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since when do batting coaches retain Scott Boras as an agent?
Kurt mentions a New York Post tweet bringing up that possibility. I guess coaches and managers needs reps, too, but Boras is as likely as not going to scare a couple of potential employers away.
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by ahtrap on Oct 15, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McPulltheballstrikeoutandpopout Must Go!!!
McClendon is a mistake!!! Look at all of the hitters the Tigers have that swing from the heals for a pull Homerun! Inge, Granderson, Thames and formerly Ordonez before he stopped trying to kill the ball instead of just making good contact. The Tigers need a hitting coach that teaches the fundamentals. Bunting, spraying the ball to the opposite field, situational hitting, going with the pitch, getting hitting counts, streching pitchers early in games, patience, etc. Lloyd is the polar opposite of the kind of coach that will work for the Tigers. It is as if the Tigers were all molded to be Mickey Tettleton clones lst season, good luck with that. Next year they need hitting coach that is smarter than Lloyd just swing from your heals and hope for the best!! Suggestions-Alan Trammell, Paul Molitor, Steve Garvey, Dave Winfield, Rickey Henderson-if anyone understands him they would learn from one of the greatest hitters of all-time, Barry Bonds-yeah I know steroids, but Barry also knows contact and all of the above and would be a guy that would get respect from the players.
by Marcmargolis on Oct 15, 2009 3:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's staying.
Most of your argument is all over the map. Also, a good player does not equate to a good coach no questions asked. Did you seriously just try to pitch me Barry Bonds as a damn hitting coach?
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see a change coming in this spot
From what I can understand about being a batting coach you really are more of a consultant than anything else. You can suggest a player try this or that. You can point out issues that you see. But you can’t really do anything beyond that.
And I’m not sure that McClendon has been that bad. Look at Kurt’s data above and look at some of the improvements we saw this year:
Inge showed some real potential for the first 1/2 of the year. I’m willing to lay the blame for the 2nd 1/2 on his knees.
Granderson seems to focus on one thing for an entire year and this year it was power. He must have gotten input from his coaches along the way and I give credit.
Ordonez is a seasoned player. In his case I think of the confidence that McC put in him during his “slump” (if 3 months can be called a slump). That confidence is meaningful and I give McClendon credit for it.
The AAA+ players all had their ups and downs. McC had input in when to send someone back to Toledo or when to ride it out in Detroit. I think there were good choices there that helped the players and the club.
I’m of the school that it comes down to the players making it happen. If they do then good things happen. If you don’t then good things don’t happen. The coach can’t fix them like robots.
A new guy from Texas (who seems to share the same philosophy as McClendon) won’t bring much to the table.
by murrajo on Oct 15, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McClendon is a "very good hitting coach"?
Sounds like the foul air from Ford Field is leaking across the street to Dombrowski’s suite.
by Elfuego51 on Oct 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been thinking about this one, and I still don't have an opinion
Both sides have made pretty good arguments. I have basically zero expertise on such matters, but I do know that Jaramillo’s considered one of the best hitting coaches in baseball, and the opportunity to net someone like that doesn’t come along every day (and I don’t think one bad year necessarily means the guy’s lost his touch). At the same time, Kurt made a valid point about how the Rangers tend to be fairly aggressive hitters (but good ones, until this year), and if the Tigers want to emphasize plate discipline next year, that may become two irreconcilable views (and I know that sentence is phrased horribly). I do think the guys we already have are certainly capable of more than they showed this past year. But I wasn’t one of those calling for McClendon’s head, either. Like I said, I keep bouncing back and forth on the issue of Jaramillo, but the Tigers probably will not go after him so it’ll likely become a moot point anyways.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 15, 2009 6:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe my opinion on this is simplistic, but
After 15 seasons, Jaramillo’s hitting philosophy is bound to get a little stale. The Rangers’ hitting achievements were stellar when he was there. The BAs of our starters looked like that of a last place team more than a first place team. It’s scary to think how huge our division margin would have been with a hitting coach who had dimension to his philosophy.
I’m sick of watching the Tigers waste opportunities. I want to see someone (besides Gerald) bunt effectively next year, move runners over. I don’t remember seeing too many guys aiming to go to right field with a guy on first and the 1B holding him on.
by Elfuego51 on Oct 15, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, that was fun while it lasted, but...
Jon Heyman is tweeting that Jaramillo is likely to join the Cubs.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 16, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McClendonenothing
It’s time for some new personell to add a different slant to Tiger hitting woes. Knapp worked this year and had the pitchers respect. McClendon should be done.
by inthezo on Oct 17, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not going to be.
What in the bloody hell is so hard for people to understand? The coaches have already been discussed, McClendon is staying from the mouth of Dombrowski himself.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 17, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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