Nowhere Near Good Enough: White Sox 8, Tigers 0
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 2, 2009 10:20 PM EDT
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PrintIf Jake Peavy was going to pitch against the Detroit Tigers the way he did last week, their chances of winning likely wouldn't have been that strong.
But at least the Tigers could've looked competitive on Friday night. Losing 8-0 with a division championship at stake doesn't exactly give that impression.
Edwin Jackson fell behind three pitches into the game, teeing up a fastball to Scott Podsednik that he crushed down the right-field line for a home run. For the next two innings, Jackson looked as if he might have settled down and been ready for a toe-to-toe duel with Peavy.
But the White Sox pecked away with a RBI double by Jermaine Dye in the fourth and a solo homer by Carlos Quentin in the fifth. A 3-0 deficit was looking pretty formidable with the Tigers' bats looking helpless against Peavy.
Oh, if only the score had stayed at 3-0. Jackson couldn't quite find the strike zone in the sixth inning, and when he did, neither his slider nor fastball had much movement. Three of the first four White Sox batters drew walks, working the count and fouling off plenty of those sliders. Dye's walk brought in a run to make it 4-0, and that started the grease fire. Mark Kotsay followed up with a two-run double, and Jackson's night was over.
Jackson ended up with eight runs allowed (two of those runs were let in by Casey Fien, but charged to Jackson). That's the fourth time in his last five starts that he's given up at least five runs. For those who feel that the Tigers could take three strong starting pitchers into the playoffs, Jackson hasn't been doing much to warrant that kind of confidence lately.
But back to Peavy, who's looked dominant against Detroit in two starts. He gave up just two hits in eight innings tonight. Two hits. He's pitched 15 scoreless innings versus the Tigers, allowing eight hits with 13 strikeouts. Peavy might not have recovered in time to help the White Sox challenge for the AL Central title, but he's most certainly exerting his influence on the race.
Whimper:
With only two hits, there were plenty of oh-fers in the Tigers lineup tonight. But Miguel Cabrera had an 0-for-4 night to go with his 0-for-3 versus Peavy last week. He's now 2-for-23 (.087) facing Peavy over his career.
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I know this is the frustration talking...
But if the Tigers somehow manage to squander a 7 game lead…I want someone’s head on a pike. But who’s head?
The anemic offense has been a group effort, and you can’t trade/waive/fire/let swing in the wind/ everyone on the roster. I guess that’s the worrisome part, the Tigers have so much money invested in under performing/injured/aging players, I can’t see many moves being made going into 2010. The money just isn’t there.
Meaning we’re going to see this same old BS again…
I highly recommend reading Bill Ferris's postgame recap
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 2, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
sounds delicious
Hot fudge anything is fantastic.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
shhhhhhh ....
Don’t jinx their comeback.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Long after the Fact
I think you can thank the spunky Tigers for the Royals ability to come back last night. Also, Mr. Mijares could get a little credit. The Twins’ bullpen is gassed. That should give you guys hope in any remaining Twins’ game.
Oh yeah, I’m a Twins fan. The Tigers have been the better team for 5 months, but can they seal the deal?
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Oct 3, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
That swing had my heart a-twitter. Oh well, at least the Royals showed they aren’t going to lay down and die this weekend.
Apparently the Royals want to make sure they lose this game
They’ve just sent out a Yabuta and his 14.73 ERA. At least send out, like, Juan Cruz or someone that sometimes can get it together.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
I think the Tigers did score two runs against him in that last game in Kansas City, though.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn
Sabathia got shelled too. 9 runs (5 earned) in 2.2 innings.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
Oh, and BJ Upton hit for the cycle (I think)
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
yup
6 RBI I read.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
First Ray to do it, too
I believe that leaves the Padres and Marlins as the only two teams to never hit for the cycle.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, and we at least made Joe Nathan throw a lot of pitches yesterday
We softened him up for them. The least they could do is take advantage.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if they are, they aren't doing a very good job of executing.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Freddy Garcia vs. Tigers: Fun Facts from Baseball-Reference
I may start doing this regularly (though I won’t be doing it THAT much the rest of the way, but hopefully more than just two games). Again, these are career numbers, and this time I’m just gonna do Garcia, because it would be pointless to have an Alfredo Figaro vs. White Sox post:
Magglio has had a large sample size against him: 48 PAs. His numbers aren’t eye-popping, but they’re decent enough: 12-for-43 (.279) with six doubles and 3 RBIs. And with as hot as Magglio has been recently…
Don’t want to see Aubrey Huff in the lineup? Too bad, you probably won’t get your wish. He’s 10-for-24 (.417) with 3 doubles, 2 HRs, and 4 RBIs against Garcia.
Still, he doesn’t hit him nearly as well as Cabrera: 5-for-8 (.625) with 2 HRs and 4 RBIs. Hopefully, seeing Freddy Garcia will make those bad memories of Jake Peavy vanish instantly.
On the other hand, Ryan Raburn is 0-for-4 with 4 strikeouts.
Other guys that have a ridiculous amount of Ks against Garcia: Inge (14) and Granderson (11).
Raburn is the only Tiger who has faced Garcia and doesn’t have at least one hit against him.
Tigers who have HRs off Garcia: Inge (2), Guillen (1), Huff (2), Cabrera (2), and Thames (1).
Unlike Cabrera, Polanco probably won’t be thrilled to see Garcia. He’s only 4-for-23 (.174) against him.
The only Tiger who has faced Garcia and has NOT struck out at least once is Marcus Thames.
This really surprised me, considering how long Freddy Garcia has been around: He has never faced Ramon Santiago.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And...that post was way too long
Sorry, guys. I guess I got carried away. Note to self: Use the “Preview” button next time…
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 2, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions
not at all
I’ve written some tomes myself. I do not speak in the language of bullet points!
Sometimes it takes a while to develop an idea, and as long as it is logical and the grammar and spelling is close enough to correct so it isn’t a struggle to understand, I don’t think most people have any problems with longish comments. Better than not sufficiently explaining an idea so everyone is confused.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
it was a good post, not too long
these types of posts are fun to read, keep it up if you like making them
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 3, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll probably touch on this when I write my recaps but...
turning point of the game IMO was Tschida missing strike three on Dye and then Dye nearly nailing Guillen in the nuts on a lazy pop up to left. You know, the one that Guillen slid about 2 days early on and was laying on the ground as if he was posing for Mr. October photo shoot? Yeah, that one. Things/any positive feelings unraveled quickly after either/or.
Our outfielders have been having a collective series of brain farts the last few games
And there’s really no reason why that should be happening.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
hey Ian....
I can still write an opening to the gamethread for you. The shit just hit the fan.
My Music: Some Sorta Giant
me too, and I didn't even drink anything
shows what I know!
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 3, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
My head was throbbing most of the time I was at work
I actually feel better now, though I’m still sleepy.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions
this is proof alli drank enough for all of us
or actually, too much.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 3, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions
so the BYB commenters
Are developing phychological linkages? One of us drinks too much, and the rest of us get headaches, too?
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
But Baroque's explanation is more fun
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
OK so we ARE going to win today!!!
Greinke is GOING to win today!!!!
That wraps the whole thing up!!!
Tammy
Twins are on Fox game today
We are on MLB Network tonight. I won’t be near my computer (again) So lets do it!!!
Tammy
I cannot imagine any other game being played is of any importance
Except the Dodgers cannot finalize their division either. Go Rockies!!
Tammy
Go Zach Go! Go Zach Go!! Go Zach Go!!!
With Sabathia leaving such a horrible final impression, if Greinke pitches well this should really tie up the Cy Young for him, I would think. Solid all year long and a strong finish.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Greinke
He has already won the Cy, IMHO. He deserves it and the only one who is close is King Felix, who also has played with a non-contender (but a +.500 team) all season.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Oct 3, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions
+1
Regardless of how today goes, I think Greinke deserves the Cy. But I hope he has a meltdown for today! :)
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
oh, it isn't a matter of deserve
The media has to avoid reflexively voting for the guy in pinstripes. No Yankee bonus points.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Sad but true
It’s just like all the Jeter for MVP arguments. (good link if you haven’t read it before)
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 3, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I doubt it.
The Blue Jays have been suffering from middling management for a while now, and I think the world-class DRAMA around the trade deadline this past year didn’t help his cause at all.
"For myself I am an optimist - it does not seem to be much use being anything else." -- Winston S. Churchill
Cito Gaston’s probably gone too, based on this article.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 3, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
no way in hell.
If anyone is gone, its Lloyd. Hopefully it doesn’t come to that.
by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 2:16 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Royals-Twins Open Thread
We will have one.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 3, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
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