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There may be no bigger question for the Detroit Tigers this offseason than whether or not to re-sign Placido Polanco.

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There may be no bigger question for the Detroit Tigers this offseason than whether or not to re-sign Placido Polanco.

  The Detroit Tigers Weblog talked to Will Carroll of Baseball Prospectus, the industry's resident injury expert, about Scott Sizemore's ankle injury.  Carroll said Sizemore should be ready for Spring Training.  However, he's never seen a second baseman with the sort of tendon injury that Sizemore suffered, so "it's tough to judge."

  On his blog, the Detroit News' Tom Gage addresses speculation that the Tigers might pursue outfielder Juan Pierre this winter.  But with Pierre owed $18.5 million on the remaining two years of his contract with the Dodgers, Gage thinks the only way Detroit could take on that kind of money is if they shipped a big salary of their own to L.A.  For instance, the two years and $26 million they still owe Carlos Guillen.

Pierre batted .308/.365/.392 with 30 stolen bases in 42 attempts this season for the Dodgers.

  At Mack Avenue Tigers, Kurt Mensching looks at the choices the Tigers face at second base next season.  Do they let Placido Polanco go entirely or do they offer him arbitration?  One key point Kurt brings up - and this is worth considering when reading Gage's article, as well - is that we don't know exactly what the Tigers' budget will be.

  Speaking of second base, Fire Jim Leyland looks at Polanco's total value to the Tigers this season.  How much did Polanco contribute to the Tigers with his bat?  How much value did he provide with his glove?  And how does Polanco compare with other second basemen in baseball?

  Lynn Henning wonders how the Tigers can make their offense more potent next season.  Are they mostly relegated to hoping most every batter on the roster just puts up better numbers in 2010?  Henning says he expects Dave Dombrowski to add "a bat or two" this winter.  But seriously, where would you put them?

  How did the Tigers rate defensively this season?  Lee Panas looks at each player's Ultimate Zone Rating (UZR), and finds that Detroit was above-average in the field.  Will that continue next season?  Or might the Tigers have to sacrifice some defense for offense?  (Lee also rates Detroit's offense in another post.) 

  If you missed it over the weekend (I posted it to the front page late on Friday), John Kmiecik filed his latest review for the 2009 Tigers.  This time out, he takes a look at Carlos Guillen's season.

  Over at The Daily Fungo, Mike McClary lists five reasons why he won't be watching the World Series.  I think he could be missing out on a good one, though I generally agree with most of the reasons he listed.  (Though I find the Phillies an intriguing team.)

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  Aaron Gleeman wonders if this might be the right time for the Minnesota Twins to consider trading Joe Nathan.  (Just to clarify, he's not saying they should.)  Nathan, by the way, just had surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow.

  This might be a theme.  Sam Mellinger thinks the Kansas City Royals should look into trading their closer, Joakim Soria.  As he puts it, "What good is that fine scotch if you don't drink it?"

  With the news that Tony La Russa might hire Mark McGwire as the St. Louis Cardinals' hitting coach, Lookout Landing imagines how a coaching session with McGwire might go.

The Dugout has a funny take on the story, too.  It took me a while to figure out who the "SonOfJorEl" nickname was for.  Maybe I need another cup of coffee. 

  I know some fans aren't thrilled that the World Series is an all-East Coast affair.  But regardless of convenience, I think it's pretty cool that the Phillies traveled to New York by train, rolling into Penn Station last night.  Maybe not so cool for commuters and Amtrak employees, though.

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Juan Pierre?

Any time you can land a guy with a career OPS+ of 85 and 13 career HR for a 112 OPS+/115 HR guy, you’ve gotta make that move. Especially if your offense was 10th in the league in runs or whatever.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 27, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree

However, would you take Carlos Guillen right now?

by john.kmiecik on Oct 27, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would take Carlos Guillen without arms or legs over Juan Pierre. He’d still probably throw better than Pierre.

by Mike Rogers on Oct 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd take a healthy Carlos Guillen

now, whether or not we ever see that again is another story entirely. Funny how Carlos went from being “the most underrated player in baseball” to “a bloated, unmovable contract” in record time.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 27, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pierre

The only problem going after a guy like Pierre is that with his speed will Leyland allow him to use that speed? The Tigers did not use the speed of Grandy on the pads as they should have so if they do get him I see his speed being waisted.

by Rustyj517 on Oct 27, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Granderson always had the green light though...

Jim only told him when not to steal mostly. Grandy is responsible for the misuse of Grandy’s speed.

by madpoopz on Oct 27, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel the need

to reiterate how unspeakably brain-dead a Guillen/Pierre swap would be. First of all, if you move Guillen in any scenario, the scenario would have to be for payroll flexibility. Pierre makes a jillion dollars. So, yeah, no.

Secondly from a baseball perspective – Juan Pierre sucks. He is a hollow batting average and some steals. You know who else is like that? Guys like Freddy Guzman, Joey Gathright etc. Those guys don’t make $10 mil or whatever the hell Pierre’s salary is. Guillen at least has upside if he’s healthy. Juan Pierre was (and presumably still is) the worst player in the league to get regular playing time until the Dodgers finally had the good sense to consider him a sunk cost and bench his butt. Really…1400+ games, 17.9 WAR (Pierre) vs. 1200+ games, 23.4 WAR (Guillen). There are exactly zero ways that you could convince me that Tom Gage wasn’t sniffing copious amounts of glue when he turned on his Speculation Machine.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 27, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He's not as bad as you're making him out to be.

I don’t like the Gage swap proposal, but Juan Pierre is not as bad as you make him out to be. He played 162 games each season from 2003-2007 and he did a fine job subbing in for ManRam during his suspension this season.

I’m not saying “let’s go get Juan Pierre!” but I just feel like you’re busting his balls way, way too hard.

by john.kmiecik on Oct 27, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

but perhaps not. Put it this way – if Juando is wearing a Tigers uniform next season, I will give my fandom a 5 game suspension to start the season in protest.

The fact that his managers penciled him into the lineup every day from ‘03-’07 isn’t indicitave of whether or not he’s a good baseball player. It’s indicative of his managers being enamored with a guy who runs fast, and is a “true professional”. Note that in those seasons he punched up a true professional OPS+ of 94, 107, 84, 82 and 75. One above average season in there. I’m not anti-Pierre, really. From all accounts he’s a good clubhouse guy and he makes a fine 5th outfielder/pinch runner. But considering a) the price tag and b) the fact that he’d represent a big downgrade offensively on an already offensively challenged club, it’s madness to consider him. Didn’t we already try this with Josh Anderson?

by ChrisDTX on Oct 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Usually I like Tim's stuff

That just felt like a blog roundup of the last three weeks to me. I don’t get why he thinks Dlugach is worth a look, he’s not all that great for AAA Toledo and I don’t think he’d suddenly explode in the bigs.

by john.kmiecik on Oct 27, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it just me?

Or is there somethings seriously wrong with this picture, Bondo & Robson are makin almost 3x as much as the 3 SP that are actually worth somethin? These guys are just about worthless & what about the DTrain, or should I say dRailed, has any1 given this guy an UA, sounds like he’s been hangin out on Woodword. How’d double D possibly think this was a good idea no way is worth even near 3x what Verli makes, whata goon! Who’s gonna trade anything for him, maybe they could trade him for a good hitting coach or batboy.

by LTownDown on Oct 28, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do know those contracts came at very different times in recent history, right? It’s not like the Tigers sat down with all six of those guys at once and poof that’s how the contracts came up.

by john.kmiecik on Oct 29, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we trade for Juan Pierre

I’m going to track down DD and shave his head.

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 27, 2009 2:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

And Drew Sharp

But I don’t think that contests your point.

by Ian Casselberry on Oct 27, 2009 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait. I’m sure Lynn Henning has a Pierre-for-Grandy swap in which we return Pierre because we felt bad for ripping the Dodgers off in such a lop-sided trade.

by Mike Rogers on Oct 27, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No no no

We’ll deal Granderson for Milton Bradley and Aaron Heilman.

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 27, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder ...

If I pee in Henning’s Cheerios, will he stop blaming Granderson for it and start trying to trade me instead of our center fielder? Because I’ll do it if it will stop the “Tigers must trade Granderson” stuff. :)

"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero

by Baroque on Oct 27, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs


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