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The Detroit Tigers infield gathers around manager Jim Leyland, watching their first-place lead in the AL Central go up in smoke.

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The Detroit Tigers infield gathers around manager Jim Leyland, watching their first-place lead in the AL Central go up in smoke.

Words fail to recap this game.  What can really be said?

Actually, I think the fans at Comerica Park said it quite well as the home team left the field tonight.

The Detroit Tigers and Minnesota Twins are now tied for first place in the AL Central.  It really is now "do or die."  If the Tigers don't win tomorrow, their season is more than likely over.  At best, that would probably force a one-game tiebreaker on Tuesday.  But does anyone in Tiger Town really want to count on the Twins losing?

It's all on Justin Verlander's right shoulder tomorrow.  He's carried this team all season, so why should his last regular season start be any different?

Comment of the Night:

Ack

It’s like our guys are an asthmatic running a marathon and they’re in the lead with the finish line in sight but the bronchi are seriously tightening up.

by SabreRoseTiger

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Nice headline.

And I thought I couldn’t get any more depressed.

by rcpratt on Oct 3, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

here we go. don't lose faith.


(this one taken by AP, during his last start)

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 10:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice, thanks

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I feel a man crush coming on ...

hopefully my wife doesn’t get jealous

I can't believe I ate the whole thing!

by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 3, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, I'm single - and a woman

But he’s young enough to be my youngest brother. Love to watch him pitch.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's why I don't have a poster :)

I just love watching a really, really good pitcher perform. There is such a swagger about it – even if it isn’t a fastball pitcher, like Maddux.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I normally go for catchers

And Pudge is still my favorite all-time Tiger (though I don’t go for his looks). But there’s something about Justin that’s just awesome (and I DO find him attractive).

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, I think he's cute, too

And the fact that when he isn’t pitching he seems like such a cheerful person but he just gets nasty when he is pitching appeals to me. Very businesslike attitude, but it doesn’t carry over into being a surly ass when he has no need to be.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

too many chicks here.

by rcpratt on Oct 3, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least we don't talk about man-crushes :)

And it isn’t as though we don’t know baseball, is it?

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

And I’m usually not very girly at all. I make an exception for JV sometimes, though.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at those pictures and tell us objectively that he is not an attractive man

I mean, women can judge if other women are pretty or not. Guys should be able to tell when another man is attractive or not without feeling uneasy.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

the pitcher walks off, the catcher gets up, and the batter heads right back to the dugout – all before the umpire punches him out. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah

I love you, Justin :-)

I’ll be looking at the poster in my room plenty of times tonight

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(But Justin can't give up 4 runs this time)

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Upon further review

If I’m going to scold Erin in the GameThread for posting images that are too large, I need to point out that posting more than one photo here (especially since some are quite large) was overkill.

Alli, I get why you did this, and people seemed to be on board with it. But in the future, if you want to post a bunch of photos, you need to open a FanPost.

by Ian Casselberry on Oct 4, 2009 6:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately

This collapse has been on everyone save a couple pitchers (JV, Porcello, Bonine). Leyland has made some curious moves, at the same time at some point your big players need to get big hits. When it is all said and done I am afraid everyone will be looking back at losing 5 of 6 to KC as the difference…

by tbliggins on Oct 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Attn: Tigers

I would really like to see this again. Please stop sucking

by rcpratt on Oct 3, 2009 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, the sight of that made me smile

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a picture would be nice

But not needed. I can picture it perfectly in my mind’s eye.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or perhaps this

porcello would look good with champagne in his hand.

by rcpratt on Oct 3, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just no drinking!

He has to wait for next year for that.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

following the Dodgers game on gameday

Takes some getting used to, but there is a lot of information there. Clayton looks good so far as I can tell. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

don't have it

Normally only interested in Tigers, but hoping to “see” Clayton do well.

I’ll be seeing him in the playoffs, I’m sure.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thoughts on the situation

the tigers have sucked as of late….they have been streaky all season win 6 straight then lose 5 straight…believe me I am not going to try and blow sunshine up anyones ass here…this is awful right now.. try to wake up tomorrow thinking positive….we can turn this around even if we have to go to the awful metrodome to do it….JV tomorrow and Rickey on Tuesday then Jackson Game 1 vs the Yankees…JV gets us a split in game 2 come home and the bats starting to really heat up Ricky is magical in game 3 and shows he was born to shine in the big game…..oh man I have to stop I really am blowing sunshine…I need another beer

by PBURGTIGER on Oct 3, 2009 10:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WHAT is Rodney wearing?

He looks like he’s just stepped out of a gangster movie.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How I plan on sleeping tonight

I know right now everyone is either pissed or somewhat heart broken or both. I am feeling it too. But then I remember that if someone offered me a deal that included the Tigers being able to have a shot at winning the division on the final day of the year and we would get JV to pitch for us I would signed up in a heart beat. I don’t care about the Twins, the Yankees or anything else. I am not concerned with “blaming” anyone or anything. We have JV going for us tomorrow and if we win we keep playing. That’s all I could have asked for at the start of this year.

I can't believe I ate the whole thing!

by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 3, 2009 10:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They've met the expectations I set for them in March

I said they could win 85-90 games and contend. They’ve done that.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be honest....

If the twins actually go with pavano on short rest, wow. They should go with the kid. I don’t see how they could throw pavano out there with the season on the line. He is carl pavano.

by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 10:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how Hochevar is gonna quiet the Twins' bats

…but I like the Royals’ offense’s chances against Pavano then I do against Duensing. If Pavano shuts them out, Duensing would’ve no-hit them.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did throw a 3 hit complete game with 0 ER against the White Sox 3 starts ago...

But his last two starts have been awful. Third times a charm?

by ZWC11 on Oct 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the main reason all this makes me sad

is that I can’t remember any other combination of players that I’ve been more in love with. no other group of guys has seemed happier to be playing together. leyland has said himself they are all team players and awesome to work with. I can’t imagine losing anyone in this lineup, no matter how upset they make me sometimes. there isn’t one player I dislike for attitude or other reasons. they’re all great guys and they all deserve the title.

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I felt that way about 2006

these guys…I don’t know what it is, but they just don’t seem to have the want to for some reason. I still like them all, but it’s different…

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just wanted a division title

I was too young to appreciate the ‘87 one and I still feel like losing the division title in ’06 hurt more than losing the Series. I like what you say here about the whole team and it makes me thnk the Leyland has been right juggling the lineup all year long. It’s easy to second guess Leyland and God knows I do, but this team could handle better than any team I have ever seen. No one cried over playing time and while not everyone always played great I always feel like the effort is there. I to find myself wanting to win because I feel like these guys deserve it.

I can't believe I ate the whole thing!

by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 3, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the eternal tragedy of sports

Deserve has nothing to do with it. :(

I think they do, too – but I’m sure the Twins fans could make the same kinds of arguments for their team as well. Sad that anyone has to lose, but someone does.

I’d like to see them win the division, too. But even if they don’t it’s been a fun year with a lot more going on than just the last few painful weeks. Like 16 inning marathons that went on for so long we wondered if Inge was seriously going to have to pitch, and crazy walkoff wins from Clete Thomas. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know...

I could go without Huff…

by ZWC11 on Oct 3, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must rest up.

And get ready for tomorrow. I’ll be a little late, and with any luck I’ll have missed a 1-2-3 inning from Justin and the Tigers batting around in the bottom of the 1st.

by NCDee on Oct 3, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

off topic Kershaw watch

Three innings pitched, 44 pitches, 31 strikes, 7 strikeouts, no runs, no hits, no walks.

Good start for the LA fan who popped in. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

logically....

It looks horrible. Danks is exactly the kind of guy who three hits us and gives up a run. JV, great as he is, has a right arm that’s about to fall off. And the twins are playing a team as wretched as any in the final regular season game at their friendly hellhole. The only thing giving me any hope is the fact that baseball is not logical.

by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 10:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Logically

is there anyone else you’d want on the mound other than Verlander?

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

This is why Leyland saved him for tomorrow. Just for this.

by Ian Casselberry on Oct 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed....

But we’ve asked him to save us so many times. He has delivered almost every time. He is not a machine. It seems almist unfair to ask him to bail out this group of hitters one more time. Maybe he can. But at some point, his arm has to give out.

by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

The only thing giving me any hope is the fact that baseball is not logical.

Quoted for truth. If baseball made sense, then the Tigers would have wrapped up the division weeks ago. Or been mired in third place all year. Could go either way, really.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm going to be at the game tomorrow

Hopefully I can be one hell of a good luck charm. I will do my best not to end up in the hospital because of a heart attack or something, but I will be freaking out to the extreme the whole time, guaranteed. I must say, if there was anyone I’d want to see pitching for us in this situation, it is Justin Verlander.

by kendra.michelle on Oct 3, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if you do

Be sure they list “Tiger-induced heart attack” as the reason for being admitted.

And have fun! It’s the last regular-season home game until next spring.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JV...

is probably the best pitcher the Tigers have had in my lifetime. I’m too young for Lolich/McClain (born in ‘78), but I’ll have to say he beats out Morris at this point. Let’s hope he doesn’t end up on the Twins. Yes, I have many reasons for hating that franchise…

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no question, he is the best starter I remember

the Bird was great, for 1 year
even Jack Morris says JV is better than he was in his prime

by murrajo on Oct 3, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember Jack Morris

He was a tremendous big-game pitcher, but Justin is better. I’ll leave the numbers to the stats people, but I feel more confident with Verlander pitching than I did even when Morris was pitching – although it was nice to have Hernandez coming out of the bullpen …

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of off-topic

Does it ever bug Tigers fans that Jack Morris is usually remembered as a Twin because of that game 7 in ‘91? I’m not trying to be a jerk or start a fight, I just want to know what you guys think.

"This ain't a football game, we do this every day." - Earl Weaver

by Daniel Louden on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly,

I forget that he pitched for the Twins. I remember him as a Tiger and then the Blue Jays (but I think of him as a Tiger)

by murrajo on Oct 3, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

he was only with the Twins for a year……but what a year!

"This ain't a football game, we do this every day." - Earl Weaver

by Daniel Louden on Oct 3, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all

That was just an amazing game. Period.

He had his moments as a Tiger.

by Ian Casselberry on Oct 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me

I think he is remembered for the World Series in 1984 with the Tigers as well, and it doesn’t bug me that he is also remembered as a Twin. He was a Twin more recently, and some people have short attention spans.

I’m more bugged when an athlete in any sport is always talked about as being a member of a team he was with for only a year or two, and the ten years he spent with a lower-profile team get ignored because they don’t have the same press.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And in this case his Tiger years don’t get ignored – just pushed back because they were earlier in his career.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dont for get

JACK MORRIS…he was the last all time great we had

by PBURGTIGER on Oct 3, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was born in '83, long after McClain/Lolich

And I obviously don’t remember Jack Morris. So Justin is definitely the best one I’ve seen.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

silly Dodgers

They are being no-hit and Kershaw has nine strikeouts.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

that kid’s pretty good

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yea, this game is fun to watch

Rockies’ pitcher just got hurt though

by murrajo on Oct 3, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What happened?

I remember Jorge de la Rosa from when he was with the Royals.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Contreras in!

Come on and score some runs, Dodgers.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dodgers fan?

I’m pulling for Colorado – I’m a sucker for underdogs.

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 3, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I rooted for Colorado in the '07 World Series

But out of the teams in the NL postseason, I like the Dodgers the most. I don’t like Manny, but I like the rest of the Dodgers.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kershaw fan

Watched him in the minors, in 2007, so am kind of a Dodger fan by transferrence.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gotta like Kershaw.

It’s always fun watching great pitchers. Especially when you watched him come up through the minors I’m sure.

by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 3, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this year my minor league team made the playoffs for the first time

And I went to both of the home playoff games they had – won the first round, lost in 10 innings in the deciding game of the second. :(

But the last home game was EPIC – fell behind 4-0 after one inning, brought in Steve Smith (his real name) in long relief, fought back to tie, fell behind again, tied again, fell behind by three runs in the ninth inning – and the other team brought in their unhittable closer (30+ saves, about a 1.25 ERA) and he gave up two singles and a three-run home to Jaime Pedroza on his birthday to tie it. They wound up winning in the 11th (and this was without their closer, because he pitched two innings to get the win in the previous game!).

I had so little voice the next day it was amazing.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's kinda the dodgers' porcello

a good, focused kid who will be around for years to come if they treat him right. and they have.

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My (probably unpopular) feelings on tomorrow

I’m going to tomorrow’s game – I’ve been pumped up about it for a month now. Quite frankly though, after watching tonight’s game and our inability to score yet AGAIN I do not want us to win tomorrow.

I’d rather we suffer the embarrassment of losing the division title (even if we hang on by a hair is anyone truly not embarrassed by the collapse of this past month?) than to have to deal with the indignity of a playoff sweep (which I believe will happen). IF lightning strikes and we make the playoffs we will have fallen in, with no momentum and exhausted.

I’m sorry folks – I heard all off-season about how we had to improve our defense and we did. I am of the opinion that we need a total collapse so that a)DD knows we can’t field a lineup with 3-4 rally-killing .230 averages a night, b)Lloyd McClendon is NEVER allowed to go near another major league lineup, and c)Fernando Rodney leaves and never steps foot in the city of Detroit again.

I won’t openly root against the boys tomorrow – and if we win I will cheer them with all of my heart but man, I’m defeated, angry…….you name it.

by grck76 on Oct 3, 2009 11:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

a) Agreed
b) It’s easy to place the blame on Lloyd, but I think more of it has to do with the players at this point.
c) Well, he has gotten the job done in save situations this year, but yeah, I’m not pulling for him to stay.

by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 3, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's just the matter of the stars aging

Polanco, Guillen, Ordonez. They’ve had their moments late in the season, but if the team had gotten ANYTHING from them in the first 4 months of the season they’d have run away with this thing. It’s the risk you take with mid-30’s players…you never know when decline will creep in. When it does, it’s usually quick and ugly.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I can take the point about aging players for what it’s worth and agree. I certainly agree if we’d have gotten the production out of Mags and Polly recently all season we’d be in with no sweat. I guess I just believe they have proven they still have it so what’s changed? A good hitting coach makes those adjustments much earlier. How many runs were we supposed to score last year? :)

I’m truly torn about Granderson – I love the guy but he can leave his home run stick at home next year and just bring his .300 bat back!

by grck76 on Oct 4, 2009 7:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe Granderson will do both

He’s hit 0.300 before, so he knows how to do that fine. Now he’s added some home runs but lost average. Maybe next season he figures out how to blend the two together. He’s a smart player, I think he’ll figure it out.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An interesting tidbit

Don’t know if this is a good thing to share or not (and don’t know if it has already been pointed out or not, apologies if it has), but no team has ever been in first place since May 10 or earlier and gone on to lose during final week.

by kendra.michelle on Oct 3, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

do you have a source for that?

someone else posted that too

by murrajo on Oct 3, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My mom is the one who told me

I don’t know where she found it, I can look online for a source

by kendra.michelle on Oct 3, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They've mentioned it numerous times on ESPN

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes they have

they also bludgeoned the “no team has ever lost being 3 games up with 4 to play” fact into our skulls. Thanks, jinxers!

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that doesn't mean it's accurate

Remember some of the goofs we’ve noticed lately?

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I had to run out for more beers. And smokes. Stupid Tigers, wasting my reserves.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

very healthy diet you have there

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

normally it's not bad aside from the weekly pizza

but I’m trying to save money for a few things, so I do what I can. also I’m too tired to cook at the moment and I don’t want to wake up my parents :)

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

although I shouldn't talk

I’m testing the Halloween candy I got for the kiddies – you know, to make sure it’s safe.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mmmmmm...candy corn

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kit Kats and m&ms

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and they are fine

Now I’ll have to test the Snickers

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blech, I hate candy corn

I know lots of people who love it and I just do not understand.

by kendra.michelle on Oct 3, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't like Milk Duds

Unfortunately, when I was a kid, that was THE choice of candy to hand out to trick-or-treaters. I always would end up with, like, eight boxes of them (which I would proceed to “re-distribute” to kids that came to my house).

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for the love of god....

I just had to listen to a song with lyrics that said something honkytonk badonkadonk, theb about something having it going on like
Donkey Kong. Fuck.

by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Have they done the YMCA yet?

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

youre telling me

One of the longest nights of my life

by rook34 on Oct 3, 2009 11:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

how long are you stuck there?

You can give your best wishes and escape?

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

When I went to one of my old roommate’s wedding, she hid in the bathroom during that song because her dad and his friends have a routine for YMCA where they dance around wearing the hats of the various Village People characters.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dying of embarassment would be awful

I’d hide the the bathroom, too.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More pathetic:

the Tigers hanging their hopes on Figaro, or the Rox hoping Contreras gets it done?

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he also had a tough time with the opposing pitcher

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized this

OK, I didn’t JUST realize it..I was more trying to not think about it..but we might have to watch another fucking game at the Metrodome. Just when I thought I was out, they keep pulling me back in.

by ChrisDTX on Oct 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

zombie team with a zombie stadium

Neither one will just die, already.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't be watching anything

I’ll be at work during the time of the potential playoff game. And that’s gonna kill me. I’m thinking of asking someone to call my cell phone and leave a voice mail or call the pharmacy pretending to be a customer or something.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 3, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Twizzlers also pass the taste test

I think I’m going to need to get some more candy before Halloween, though. :D

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay, I should really go try and get some work done before bed

especially since I’ll be at the game all day tomorrow and will lose all that time to study. Goodnight everyone. Good luck sleeping this one off.

by kendra.michelle on Oct 3, 2009 11:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

goodnight

And enjoy yourself at the game, whatever the result.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

interesting

greinke re: pithcing to mauer in the 6th today

“I didn’t want to give him a pitch to hit. I was going to be real fine with everything, and he fouled off a really good slider, took another really good slider and maybe I shouldn’t have tried to throw a fastball by him. Maybe I should have thrown it for a ball and taken my chances with Kubel, because Mauer is who he is. But throughout the game, my fastball was getting by guys, so I probably was overconfident with him at the time.” — Greinke

by allikazoo on Oct 3, 2009 11:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts on tomorrow...

I feel like even IF Justin gives us a great game tomorrow (and if this goes off the tracks it’s totally not his fault—he’s a mensch) then who do we throw in the Metrodome? Because if the Twins beat Greinke than this shit is for real—they are not going to lose to whoever the Royals throw out there tomorrow (I hope I’m wrong, but seriously…). And I figure we don’t stand a chance in the Metrodome (I thought we were freaking done with that place). Here’s a depressing stat: in the 3 games that the Tigers have played and would have been able to clinch (for at least a tie, i.e. the last three games) they’ve been outscored 21-4. Not trying to a Debbie Downer, but this team has problems closing out the regular season (see: 2006).

by BarbaroGarbeyc1984 on Oct 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they just played dont stop believing

The white sox theme. I ran outside.

by rook34 on Oct 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

seems like an odd choice for a wedding reception, too

Like they are desperately hoping not to have a messy divorce.

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I refuse to let the White Sox or any other team ruin good songs

If the Red Sox decided to use “Come Sail Away” (which is my favorite song), I would still like “Come Sail Away.”

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the day the white sox put another

Nail in our coffin…it was too much to take.

by rook34 on Oct 4, 2009 1:33 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

well, good night everyone

I’ll be there tomorrow but not with bells on (what does that even mean, anyway?) hoping for the best but enjoying the baseball regardless.

Now to concentrate on gameday and see if I can get some runs for the Dopey Dodgers with the power of my mind. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

John Danks vs. Tigers: Fun Facts from Baseball-Reference

Career numbers (Verlander vs. White Sox will be up shortly):

I know the Tigers tend to not score a whole lot of runs against Danks. The individual numbers are very bipolar. Nearly all of the Tigers either hit Danks very well or can’t touch him. The only one with an “average” average against Danks is Adam Everett (.250 on the nose).

The Tiger who hits Danks the best? That would be Magglio, who is 11-for-20 (.550) off Danks with 3 doubles, a homer, and 6 RBIs.

This is another guy that Polanco does not hit very well. He’s only 4-for-21 (.190). That is not as bad as Granderson, who is 1-for-16.

I thought the Tigers would stick Raburn in left field in place of Guillen and Marcus Thames at DH, but it’s not as simple as that, because both Raburn and Thames have awful numbers against Danks. Raburn is 0-for-8 with 5 strikeouts, and Thames is 1-for-14 with 7 Ks. Meanwhile, Carlos’s numbers against Danks are pretty decent (4-for-9 with a double).

Miguel Cabrera (who really needs to bust out, cuz he’s been a big culprit in the recent offensive slide) is one of the Tigers with good numbers against Danks: 4-for-13 (.308 average), but no RBIs.

Only three home runs have been hit off Tiger bats against Danks: One apiece from Magglio, Everett (!), and Inge (who is one of the ones with decent average against him).

Only one Tiger has faced Danks and has not struck out at least once. That would be Gerald Laird, who is 2-for-3 off Danks.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 12:47 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Justin Verlander vs. White Sox

I’m sure Justin is glad to see Jim Thome (with his seven HRs off him) in a Dodgers uniform, but here’s how he fares against the remaining Sox:

In his career, Justin Verlander has given up two grand slams. One of them was to AJ Pierzynski back in ‘06 (In case you’re wondering, the other was Joe Mauer in 2007).

That grand slam is a big reason why Pierzynski has an eye-popping 12 RBIs against JV, but it also helps that he hits 14-for-42 (.333) with 3 HRs including that grand slam.

Other guy to watch out for in the power department is Jermaine Dye, who has 4 HRs against Justin and is 14-for-47 (.298) overall, with 8 RBIs.

Paul Kenerko, on the other hand, is completely overmatched: 4-for-34 with 10 strikeouts.

Other Sox who have homered off Verlander: Carlos Quentin and Alexi Ramirez (one each).

Justin has struck out every Sox batter at least once.

The only Sox who DON’T have at least one RBI against Verlander are Mark Kotsay and Chris Getz.

Alexi Ramirez (3-for-19) and Mark Kotsay (2-for-14) don’t hit Verlander well, though as I mentioned, Ramirez has homered off JV.

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

*Konerko

Ack!

http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com

by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 1:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

Today was horrible- stuck in a bad debate round for 5 hours, my cousin humiliated me in front of the team I coach for, I got forced on a rollercoaster (scared of heights) and now this?

We damn well better win tomorrow. Or I’m taking a pointy stick and heading to Detroit. Y’all are welcome to join.

President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.

by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 4, 2009 1:44 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I may be right behind you!

pitchforks and torches for everybody!

by murrajo on Oct 4, 2009 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

more bad signs....

Miggy had some sort of facial scrarch that the white sox were discussing after the game. Miggy split immediately after, which is unlike him. Dude is obviously feeling the heat. Our best position player is missing in action. How the hell can we win a game without Miggy?

by rook34 on Oct 4, 2009 1:49 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

thinking about tomorrow as realistically as possible...

We will need 5 runs to win, minimum. JV matches up horribly with the Sox, particularly the bombers like Dye and Quentin who live to hit fastballs. They are going to score. We have to get a bunch of runs. With Miggy missing in action, who is going to drive in the runs? Grandy? Not vs. Danks. Maggs? Maybe. Guillen is a non-factor against Danks. I simply cannot figure out how we are going to get the necessay runs. Unless JV is superhuman against a team built to give him hell, I do not see how this happens. Miggy coming back to life is a must.

by rook34 on Oct 4, 2009 2:06 AM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

well

I met a Tiger’s fan today. He’s from Venezuela, and is a Tiger’s fan because of big Miggy.

Someone to feel my pain…I bet my uncle that the Tiger’s go farther than the Yankees. I would gladly pay the money if we acutally make the playoffs…Frustration is all that I am feeling right now. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don’t make me look like an idiot for being a Tiger’s fan. My mom(who hates sports in general) was laughing at me for the Tiger’s sucking. PLEASE at least force a playoff(FTW FOR MAKING IT EVEN POSSIBLE).

Crazy things have happened…Tiger’s, it’s your time…100% up to you. Magglio, you really gotta earn your $18mil. Miggy, just be average. Inge, have the hospital sign your arm. Verlander, be yourself. 1 ERA at home and hope for some help!

LET’S GO!

by actioncuse on Oct 4, 2009 2:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your mom was being mean :(

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay, trying some early morning perspective here

I for one did not expect the Tigers to contend, really – and I certainly didn’t expect them to play as well defensively as they ususally have, or to pitch as solidly. Their offensive struggles are nothing new, or we wouldn’t have a shirt that says “No Squandering!” on it. The problem is that they are in the position of the team that was unexpectedly in first for a long time and is now running out of gas and feeling hte pressure, instead of the position of unexpectedly charging the first place team. Flip flop the positions, and we would be fine with the Tigers not winning the division because they made such a charge at the end and just fell short.

This will be crushing if they don’t finish it off, but after a few days I’ll be pretty happy with how the season looked overall and looking forward to the next one with the pitching healthier and hopefully a less stressful closer than Rodneycoaster. And I don’t think many people here would have expected the team to be in first for so long that they look worn down from fending off attack after attack from other teams (and any Red Wings fan will tell you that there are few things more exhausting than being a constant target game after game after game).

Being a sports fan means that at least I can always blame my gray hairs on having too many men in my life. :)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

and predictably

The Dodgers actually scored finally, but Kershaw gets no win for his efforts. A sub-3.00 ERA and just an 8-8 record to show for it has me wondering if his teammates don’t like him. ;)

Stop kidding yourself, fool. The glass is half empty.

by Baroque on Oct 4, 2009 7:12 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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