Will Adam Everett Be the Tigers' Shortstop Again?
At the end of his latest blog entry for the Detroit News, Tom Gage wonders if the Tigers' payroll for 2010 will allow them to re-sign shortstop Adam Everett:
One more thing: No, I'm not even sure the Tigers will be able to keep Adam Everett. They'll try, and he'll be willing to return, but other teams will be looking for a bargain shortstop as well.
I said back in June that I believed the Tigers would bring back Everett next season, if for no other reason than they didn't have anyone ready to take over at that position. Detroit doesn't believe Ramon Santiago is a full-time shortstop. Cale Iorg isn't ready (especially with the bat). And though Brent Dlugach hit well this season in Toledo (.294/.349/.446), earning a September call-up, he's probably a fringe prospect at best.
Plus, if you look at the free agent list of shortstops, it doesn't include many standouts. (Tigers Tracks tried to come up with an alternative to Everett, but I don't know if it was all that convincing.) There are a couple names that would provide a definite upgrade on offense (Orlando Cabrera, for example), but would that be worth losing the defense that Everett brings?
For all of his offensive faults (a .238/.288/.325 average), Everett gave the Tigers exactly the defense they wanted and expected when they signed him last December. And he was good with the glove this season. Going by UZR, Everett was still one of the best defensive shortstops in the league, despite some untimely errors (especially early in the year).
But how much will Everett cost next season? The $1 million contract they signed him for last year was an injury discount, as Everett was recovering from an injured shoulder that restricted him to 48 games in 2008. (There was also probably something of a hometown discount, with much of his wife's family in the area.) However, Everett's now made it through a full season healthy, a few teams have a shortstop opening (Red Sox, Blue Jays, Twins, and Astros come to mind), and there seems to be a growing emphasis on defense over offense throughout baseball.
Do you expect Everett to be back with the Tigers next season? (Most likely in another time-share arrangement with Santiago?) How high should Detroit be willing to go to keep him? And if you'd prefer they look for another shortstop, what direction would you like to see them take?
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Ramon Santiago should be the starting SS!
I don’t understand what DD and Leyland have against him. He would probably be a slight upgrade offensively over Everett, his defense is pretty good, and—most important—he’s cheap! Leyland seems to have a lot of unfounded opinions—that Zach Miner and his sinkerball can be more effective as a reliever than as a starter, that Clete Thomas is a legit number 3 hitter, that Carlos Guillen has any business playing anything other than DH—but his opinion of Ramon is one of the most baseless. I think he’s earned a shot at the starting job, especially since the Tigers need a bargain right now.
I'm sorry I have to do this.
Know this heading into this post: I want to agree with you based on your statement alone. I don’t want to try and “get you”. However when someone makes a bold statement like this (“probably be a slight upgrade offensively over Everett, his defense is pretty good”) with no stats to back it up, I instantly open B-R.com and Fangraphs. Read on for numbers.
Everett: -17.9 batting value, +8.9 fielding value, 9.4 RAR, $4.3m value and we paid $1m in 2009
Santiago: -5.7 batting value, -3.2 fielding value, 4.4 RAR, $2.0m value and we paid $0.825m in 2009
Santiago can hit, there’s no doubt about that. We’ve seen this from him for some time now. However over their respective careers, these two are the same hitter: Everett is .245 BA/.648 OPS and Santiago is .244 BA/.650 OPS. The question is if you believe Everett’s bat will ever get a little bit brighter. Santiago has had a nice couple of seasons, stretching back to 2007 he posted .274/.346/.406 while Everett posted .231/.284/.322 (played in 50 more games than Santiago). If you buy into the “defense wins championships” mantra, you might be inclined to give the nod to Everett simply for his glove. However if the Tigers want to fix the offensive hellhole that was the 2009 season, either a few sweeping changes are required or many little tweaks. Choosing Santiago over Everett could be one of those tweaks.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
ya. but what lost there games this year?
Leaving guys stranded in scoring position, & was indeed, excluding some bad calls, the cause in that last game, which ended their season. And I believe HE was in fact 1 of the last batters to not hit with the bases loaded, & it wasn’t the 1st time constantly these guys came to the plate & struck or popped out, so I don’t think it was a coicindence. Alota people had bad years this year, but Everette’s never been very consistent & while he may be a good pick if you’re lookin for a rollback at Wally World, but getting quality batters & defenders, that wins games. The Twins had like 1 guy batting under .300. We’re paying almost $36mil for Robyouson, d(railed)Train & Bondo and double Ds worried about saving some money in the infield? Is that how the ‘84 team won, by pinching pennies on infielders? I don’t think trammel or sweet lou were bargain guys, they were good, Brookens all those guys could play. The had the pitching, it’s hard to say whether or not that’s any worse, I mean Petry or Rozeman were like there battom guys & they were pretty good. I think the bullpen was a little more solid. But all those guys could hit & field, that’s what wins championships, this is MLB. I don’t think we could trade those 3 pitchers, we’ve got hosed with, for 1 solid guy. Who would want those salaries for any of those guys, that’s what I’m sayin, it’s hard to side with value when you’re payin guys $12-$14 mil gor guys who can’t even play Minor League?
I'm sorry
I tried a few times but simply cannot follow what you’re saying.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 31, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd wonder what would happen if we put Dlugach at SS
The more I think about this, the more I like it… we get a good defensive reputation (at least from the minors) along with a mediocre (but better than Everett’s) stick. And if it fails, we can always go to Santiago on a somewhat full-time basis or trade for a SS.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Here's an idea I like
Polanco/Sizemore at 2B and Santiago/Dlugach at SS
It’ll never happen, but I can dream.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 31, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Opie will be back
his excellent defense will be good to have if we are going to have a noob at second base; I can’t imagine him costing TOO much since his offense isn’t spectacular. However, let’s not forget he’s a pro bunter, and nobody else on the team is good at that. Since the season ended I just assumed he’d be back, he’s expressed interest in staying and the Tigers expressed interest in keeping him, Jim has mentioned many times how much he’s enjoyed having him on the team.
that being said, if he doesn’t come back for some reason I think Santiago can probably handle it.
I think Everett will be back
I don’t hate the idea of having Santiago back but my gut tells me Everett is who they prefer. I do want to say another thing. This time a year ago all I heard was the Tigers would have to move Maggs in order to do anything because of payroll limitiations. I don’t expect or even want us going out and looking to add big contracts but Illitch has showed he is willing to add players like Everett regardless of payroll. I respect Tom Gage and other members of the media but I would be shocked if the team lets someone like Everett walk because of payroll limitations.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 30, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions
An odd option...
…who might be gettable is Paul Janish of the Reds. He didn’t play enough to “qualify” on FanGraphs, but he had about 600 IP at short this year, and while he can’t really hit, he’s a solid fielder.
So, basically, he’s Adam Everett, but 26, instead of 33. Also, no one outside of Cincinnati has heard of him, so he’d be cheap. Also, he can pitch! (Badly.) Problem is, he’s still under team control, and we have nothing to offer…they need bats, so do we. The only reason he might be available is if they sign someone and decide to bail on him.
It hurts, but our best play probably is to see how cheap we can sign Everett, and if he wants too much, play Ramon. My guess with Everett, being 33, is that he’ll want to get one last multi-year deal, but if he’ll take a reasonable salary in exchange for maybe an extra year, it might be worth it, since we’re about to get a lot less expensive after next year, I think.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
Janish would come cheaper
I’m not thrilled with shooting the offense at SS even harder though. .211 in 256 AB is garbage.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
A bargain that can't hit...
wow, what a deal, he’ll make some plays for you, but all but a sure out @ the plate. I hope they save their money on Everette & resign Polly, either play Santiago or 1 of the rooks, or sign some1 like Scutoro, or any # of SS who can play D & hit more than 1 outta 6 times @ the plate.
Santiago hits just like Everett does over his career
Also take a look at the list of SS with min. 390 PA (Everett’s number) in the AL this season.
He ranks just north of dead last (EAT IT Nick Punto), but look at the rest of that list. We simply can’t afford it. $1m + arb raise for Everett isn’t the worst thing in the world.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm tempted to try Dlugach
As long as he can field in the big leagues, who cares if he can hit? We’re certainly not paying Everett to hit.
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I was wondering about Dlugach myself.
I was also wondering why Dlugach hasn’t been mentioned (as far as I can tell) in ANY Tigers prospect talk. I don’t think John Sickels even had him among the honorable mentions last year. Is it just his age? Or are there other reasons? If nothing else, it seems like he could be a servicable utility infielder at some point.
Everett's not the problem
I think he likes Detroit and wants to stay. So long as they don’t make a totally low ball offer, he’ll stay.
His lack of offense isn’t our problem, it was subpar seasons from the guys who are expected to provide the offensive punch that was the problem.
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Raises a good question
Do we need a couple big fixes or a bunch of little ones?
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm thinking little ones...
lots of injuries and untypical seasons going on last year. Ordonez should be better. Granderson should be better. Inges knee’s should be healthy. Guillen should be healthy.
I’m fine with small tweaks. I’d be more fine with tweaks coming from within the system. But I don’t think 2 rookies starting up the middle is a good idea.
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Some little ones
But a big one in either the rotation or LF. The question is whether we think we can win better with pitching or with improving the offense.
Maybe we should look at Rich Harden or Erik Bedard.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I just don't think Bedard or Harden will stay healthy.
They have a huge upside but I doubt they can pitch for a whole season.
Ah,
But at 2-4 MM per, do we need them to?
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Can someone please explain to me why – aside from reputation – Adam Everett is considered an excellent fielder?
He used to be very good but there’s not a single defensive metric I’ve seen that suggests he is still elite enough to make his .613 OPS acceptable. His fielding rate and his FRAA actually suggest that he’s a below average fielder. And while his UZR is one ot the 3 best in the AL I don’t think that makes up for his bat.
I agree with the President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub (can I be the Treasurer?) – despite his error totals this past season – Dlugach is considered an excellent defender. Most translations and reports that I’ve read suggest that he’s probably a .250 hitter with an OPS around .700. That’s nearly 100 points of OPS higher than Adam Everett. Is Dlugach a great option? No. But if the choice is between good defense, terrible offense and $2M+ or good defense, relatively average offense for a SS and $400K, I’m taking the latter.
Concerns about Dlugach and Sizemore coming up at the same time I think are overblown. In fact since Sizemore and Dlugach PLAYED TOGETHER they’d probably have an easier time finding a rhythm than just about any other option.
Adam Everett is a nice guy but a sub-standard baseball player. If he isn’t in a Tiger uniform next season we’re a better team and roughly $1.5M dollars richer.
I think having your whole middle infield be rookies is a bad idea...
just a hunch though.
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Why exactly?
Do we have any actual evidence that such a thing doesn’t work even when those guys have played together or is this all based on not trusting rookies?
Hell, though the 2010 guys are not this level Trammell and Whitaker did alright.
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Sorry MacRae, I claimed treasurer a couple of months ago. Maybe we could use a public relations coordinator?
Parlimentarian?
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by David Tokarz on Oct 30, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
...didn't notice the last line at first...
But since I tracked down the images already…

Note the top left of the Whitaker card…
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Oct 30, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I fail.
Stupid images…
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Oct 30, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I just go with what my gut tells me to do...
usually doesn’t help me with women but it doesn’t usually fail me baseball wise.
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+1
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by David Tokarz on Oct 30, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
That reputation is earned
Everett’s career fielding numbers
He’s constantly besting the league average, with 2009 as an exception. I don’t know if the move to Detroit tweaked him out (somehow doubt it) or if he’s just aging finally, but the guy can field.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m fully aware that the reputation is earned but his reputation isn’t what turns batted balls into outs.
My point is that fans and sportswriters throw around “excellent fielder” a lot and I think it’s because he’s regarded as such, not because he actually is an excellent fielder anymore. Sure, if we go by UZR he’s one of the three best in the AL but other metrics that used to rate him very favorably didn’t in 2009. Ultimately he’s a good fielder but in my opinion he’s not nearly good enough to make up for his bat.
His defense used to be worth nearly 2 wins a season but this year he had a WAR under 1 and a WARP of -0.6. This is not a guy I want to bend over backwards trying to resign.
take this a bit deeper
What are those other stats and why do you choose them over UZR?
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 30, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
So one garbage season means the guy was never an excellent fielder?
Sorry, no sale here. Yes, he had a bad 2009. No one is arguing that. Saying the guy isn’t an excellent fielder is just fooling yourself.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn’t say that.
What I’m saying is that he was NOT an excellent fielder in 2009. What I am also saying is that being an excellent fielder in 2006 does not make you an excellent fielder in 2009.
Does being an excellent fielder in 2006 make you an excellent fielder in 2010? Maybe. But for the sake of a few million dollars and a hundred points in OPS I’m willing to miss out on that chance.
Stats:
His Fielding Runs Above Average was -3 and his Fielding Rate was 97 which is below average. Among traditional stats he was among the bottom 3 in range factor and fielding percentage.
I don’t want to choose any of these stats over UZR. My only point is that choosing ONLY UZR paints an incomplete picture.
As mentioned before the guy has definitely lost a step and he absolutely isn’t the fielder in 2009 that he used to be, nor is he – in my opinion – a fielder who can shoulder his abysmal offensive production. If you want to stake your claim that his reputation will see him rise again as THE elite fielder in his league (which is exactly what he was in ‘06) at the age of 33 that’s fine, I simply disagree.
He overachieved this year
He had an excellent May, one of the 3 or so best months he’s had in his career. If it weren’t for that one month, he would have been close to the Mendoza line. The guy is an offensive cipher. And since he’s more expendable than Inge at this point, Inge gets to be the non-catcher all-defense guy. We simply can’t carry two of them. Either SS or 3B needs to get better offensively, and Everett has NO offensive upside.
He overachieved?
His offensive and defensive numbers were below his career average. I don’t know how that’s overachieving.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
We’re pretty much screwed next year anyway since the White Sox improved their pitching, Cleveland has a young team that could surprise, and the damn Twins are always better on the field than they are on paper. And we don’t have the money to improve anywhere. So unless Ordonez, Guillen, Granderson, Bonderman, Robertson, and Zumaya all look like they did in 2006-07, we’ll be lucky to finish in 3rd.
That being said, I don’t see the harm in giving Iorg a chance to platoon with Santiago. Use our down year before payroll opens up in 2011 to find out if he’s really got what it takes to be the future shortstop or not. And if he can’t cut it then we can go after one of the better free agents after next year when we start rebuilding for a real run at the penant in 2011.
Trust in the starting pitching.
We have 3 and that’s enough to see us through many a tough time. I do agree on using rookies since 2010 is looking like a year where there is not much to risk putting the kids in the line of fire.
Awesome.
Guess we’ll see you around this time next year, since you’re already throwing in the towel on a season that doesn’t start for six months. Right?
Also, we were called to finish last in the AL Central this season. Man, good thing predictions always come up 100% accurate. 2008 Rays? Sucked out loud.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 30, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
The division is not that much stronger- the Twins are due to regress eventually (and they lose their biggest advantage- the Helldome), the Sox are better, but not by much, and the Royals and Indians both suck.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
I was unaware that Joe Mauer’s nickname was “The Helldome”. I like it though.
(Just messing with you, I know what you mean.)
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by cherub_daemon on Nov 1, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I’m being a little overly pessimistic, but I’m really just trying to be realistic. Our roster isn’t going to be very different than it was last year and our veterans who struggled will be another year older. Other teams in the division will have more flexibility to add pieced. I still think we’ll finish above 500 because of our starting pitching, but I don’t see enough changes in our offense to be truly competitive. That’s why we should be giving guys like Iorg, Sizemore, and Avila the chance to step up.
In 2011 we free up money from a ton of bad contracts and will be in the hunt for the top free agents on the market. It would be smart to put our young players to the test so we can find out which positions that money should really be spent on. If one of the rookies proves to be the real deal than we can spent more money on weaker areas and then the 2011 club will start to look really nasty. The good kind of nasty.
The only thing I disagree with here is this notion that our competition will be so much better. The sox probably have less payroll flexibility than the tigers do. And while they did add peavy we don’t have a clear picture of how he’ll adjust to the AL or how he’ll fare in a park so drastically different from petco. On top of that thome may not return and the sox may actually depend on rios over dye to generate offense in RF.
The Twins aren’t adding any big names either but they will potentially have full seasons from mauer, morneau and slowey. That said I think the tigers can expect improvements too. Granderson likely has a better season in him and even 2/3 of a healthy season from guillen and/or bonderman will be huge.
We certainly aren’t the class of the division but I have trouble believing that 2010 will play out worse than 2009.
I also don’t understand why you have iorg – who clearly isn’t ready – leapfrogging dlugach.
by MacRae on Oct 31, 2009 10:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
my take
First off it is pointless to try and predict a division in October before the offseason moves even begin.
But thanks to starting pitching, Chicago is the favorites and it’s a toss-up after that. But as we know, baseball isn’t played on paper and injuries will impact the division like it does every year, so we really don’t know anything.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 31, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
You’re right we should all just stop talking about baseball until April.
Ian, shut down the site Mack Ave thinks it’s pointless to talk about 2010.
Jeez, who brought the buzzkill?
And by the way I fail to see how the addition of one pitcher who has played his entire career in the most favorable pitching environment in baseball automatically makes the sox the class of the division particularly if dye and thome don’t come back.
by MacRae on Oct 31, 2009 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You're just mad because Kurt is right...
on paper the Sox are the fav’s. Pitching wise and in my opinion offensively.
However, until we see who is traded and who is signed, doesn’t it seem a bit silly to throw an entire season out the window?
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Mad? No.
Feeling like I’m on crazy pills? Yes.
Petco is the hardest park to hit in for both left- and right-handers—it reduces offense by four percentage points more from each side than the second most difficult stadiums in those categories, and a big part of that is homers. It’s the toughest park for homers from both sides of the plate, but unlike Fenway (for example), where doubles are increased at the expense of homers, Petco just taketh without any giveth in return. Peavy’s new digs are in the top five for homer-friendliest for both lefties and righties, which is a huge swing; throw in the fact he’s moving to the AL, and you get the feeling Peavy isn’t quite sure what he said yes to yet.
Peavy already gives up his share of homers on the road—he gave up 13 in 75 2/3 innings against four in 98 at home last year, and even when he was on, the split was apparent (eight in 98 road innings against five in 125 home in 2007). If his base rate for homers allowed is over one per nine—or well over, as his road numbers from 2008 suggest—then The Cell is going to be a nightmare for him, especially when you factor in how well lefties hit the right-handed Peavy even with Petco in play (.248/.316/.406 from 2006-2008, and .276/.355/.442 this year).
Offensively the Sox had 4 players with an OPS+ over 100. One of them was traded and the other may not return if his option is declined.
How you guys figure they’re going to improve by 8 wins is beyond me.
oh get over it
You must know how pointless it is to PREDICT division standings before any team has even started adding players to its roster. There’s plenty to talk about all offseason, but predicting a division or predicting a lineup in October is a sure prescription for being wrong the following year.
You must know that Jake Peavy is, you know, a good pitcher. A pitcher in the peak years of his career who strikes out almost a batter an inning and who doesn’t issue walks can’t possibly translate to the American League, can he? Yes, Peavy is not likely to put up as nice of numbers as he did in San Diego. (By the way, his road stats were really not much worse than his home stats.) But he is one hell of a pitcher and a huge upgrade to their rotation.
As for the White Sox not having flexibility? Their payroll is at 73M right now, even with the bad contract to Rios. And their owner obviously didn’t mind spending a bit more in 2009 to make a run at things, so I would expect them to spend to get the players they need.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 31, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
RE: Peavy
Please see above post
RE: “Getting over it”
I haven’t made any divisional predictions. In fact your insistence that the Sox are so good is the closest we’ve gotten to such a prediction. My point here is that in November there isn’t much to talk about but some of us think it’s FUN to discuss how teams might look next season. Maybe you don’t like doing that, but lay off those of us who do.
The Peavy argument is a little legit
I seem to remember a BP article at the time of the trade that said his HR rate would go up, making him more of a 3.5 ERA pitcher than a 2.5 or whatever he was in the NL… still good, but worse.
Otherwise- you’re right on.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
You're not talking.
You’re throwing in the towel offering no real insight or discussion. Big difference.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This is going to turn into a flamewar.
Note that I replied to your post way up there, where you just flew off the handle spouting a bunch of non-sensical crap.
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“Can someone please explain to me why – aside from reputation – Adam Everett is considered an excellent fielder?
He used to be very good but there’s not a single defensive metric I’ve seen that suggests he is still elite enough to make his .613 OPS acceptable. His fielding rate and his FRAA actually suggest that he’s a below average fielder. And while his UZR is one ot the 3 best in the AL I don’t think that makes up for his bat.
I agree with the President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub (can I be the Treasurer?) – despite his error totals this past season – Dlugach is considered an excellent defender. Most translations and reports that I’ve read suggest that he’s probably a .250 hitter with an OPS around .700. That’s nearly 100 points of OPS higher than Adam Everett. Is Dlugach a great option? No. But if the choice is between good defense, terrible offense and $2M+ or good defense, relatively average offense for a SS and $400K, I’m taking the latter.
Concerns about Dlugach and Sizemore coming up at the same time I think are overblown. In fact since Sizemore and Dlugach PLAYED TOGETHER they’d probably have an easier time finding a rhythm than just about any other option.
Adam Everett is a nice guy but a sub-standard baseball player. If he isn’t in a Tiger uniform next season we’re a better team and roughly $1.5M dollars richer."
“I’m fully aware that the reputation is earned but his reputation isn’t what turns batted balls into outs.
My point is that fans and sportswriters throw around "excellent fielder" a lot and I think it’s because he’s regarded as such, not because he actually is an excellent fielder anymore. Sure, if we go by UZR he’s one of the three best in the AL but other metrics that used to rate him very favorably didn’t in 2009. Ultimately he’s a good fielder but in my opinion he’s not nearly good enough to make up for his bat.
His defense used to be worth nearly 2 wins a season but this year he had a WAR under 1 and a WARP of -0.6. This is not a guy I want to bend over backwards trying to resign."
“What I’m saying is that he was NOT an excellent fielder in 2009. What I am also saying is that being an excellent fielder in 2006 does not make you an excellent fielder in 2009.
Does being an excellent fielder in 2006 make you an excellent fielder in 2010? Maybe. But for the sake of a few million dollars and a hundred points in OPS I’m willing to miss out on that chance.
Stats:
His Fielding Runs Above Average was -3 and his Fielding Rate was 97 which is below average. Among traditional stats he was among the bottom 3 in range factor and fielding percentage.
I don’t want to choose any of these stats over UZR. My only point is that choosing ONLY UZR paints an incomplete picture.
As mentioned before the guy has definitely lost a step and he absolutely isn’t the fielder in 2009 that he used to be, nor is he – in my opinion – a fielder who can shoulder his abysmal offensive production. If you want to stake your claim that his reputation will see him rise again as THE elite fielder in his league (which is exactly what he was in ‘06) at the age of 33 that’s fine, I simply disagree."
“The only thing I disagree with here is this notion that our competition will be so much better. The sox probably have less payroll flexibility than the tigers do. And while they did add peavy we don’t have a clear picture of how he’ll adjust to the AL or how he’ll fare in a park so drastically different from petco. On top of that thome may not return and the sox may actually depend on rios over dye to generate offense in RF.
The Twins aren’t adding any big names either but they will potentially have full seasons from mauer, morneau and slowey. That said I think the tigers can expect improvements too. Granderson likely has a better season in him and even 2/3 of a healthy season from guillen and/or bonderman will be huge.
We certainly aren’t the class of the division but I have trouble believing that 2010 will play out worse than 2009.
I also don’t understand why you have iorg – who clearly isn’t ready – leapfrogging dlugach."
“Petco is the hardest park to hit in for both left- and right-handers—it reduces offense by four percentage points more from each side than the second most difficult stadiums in those categories, and a big part of that is homers. It’s the toughest park for homers from both sides of the plate, but unlike Fenway (for example), where doubles are increased at the expense of homers, Petco just taketh without any giveth in return. Peavy’s new digs are in the top five for homer-friendliest for both lefties and righties, which is a huge swing; throw in the fact he’s moving to the AL, and you get the feeling Peavy isn’t quite sure what he said yes to yet.
Peavy already gives up his share of homers on the road—he gave up 13 in 75 2/3 innings against four in 98 at home last year, and even when he was on, the split was apparent (eight in 98 road innings against five in 125 home in 2007). If his base rate for homers allowed is over one per nine—or well over, as his road numbers from 2008 suggest—then The Cell is going to be a nightmare for him, especially when you factor in how well lefties hit the right-handed Peavy even with Petco in play (.248/.316/.406 from 2006-2008, and .276/.355/.442 this year).
Offensively the Sox had 4 players with an OPS+ over 100. One of them was traded and the other may not return if his option is declined.
How you guys figure they’re going to improve by 8 wins is beyond me."
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and iorg needs another season in the minors
that much is for sure. There’s nothing wrong with that. It will only be his third season down there after taking two years off of baseball.
i’d rather see them re-sign Everett than put any faith in Dlugach though.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 31, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Like another billion
But what’s with your lack of faith in Dlugach? Do you think he won’t work defensively?
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
This.
Also, I feel like they may have already rushed Iorg to the point of irrecoverability, so putting him in the majors seems like looney tunes.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Nov 1, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
I see where you're coming from
And, trust me, I want to use the kids too… but if Granderson, Ordonez and Guillen rebound (which is not that unrealistic) we should be fine if we sign a decent third/fourth starter.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 31, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I haven’t been around much, but you all seem pretty tense. re: Everett. maybe someone should call his cousin Seth Everett, on XM home plate. He may have some inside info for us all if Opie is even interested in staying. I think he is, cause he has the wife’s family living in Mi
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