Tigers Win! Game 162 Afterglow
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 4, 2009 3:45 PM EDT
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PrintAt the very least, there will be bonus baseball Tuesday evening at the Metrodome.
The Detroit Tigers won the game they had to win, with Justin Verlander pitching the game his team desperately needed. For seven innings, he allowed only two hits and no runs.
And somebody in the Detroit dugout brought his bat to the ballpark today. Namely, Ryan Raburn, who blasted two home runs as part of a 3-for-4 day. Magglio Ordonez was perfect at the plate, batting 4-for-4, highlighted by a solo homer.
Tigers beat the White Sox, 5-3! Full recap to come. But for now, enjoy the afterglow.
(And check in on that Twins-Royals game, though Minnesota currently leads 7-1.)
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WTF?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Bonderman take them hostage?
He’s already been suspended.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
oooh, excellent idea
Or Huff could do it. Two birds, one stone, yadda yadda.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Huff if too busy being King of the Elves
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 4, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Delmon Young all of a sudden becoming the player the Twins thought he was when they got him?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Good. Frank Viola out of the Twins broadcast booth.
I guess the Chiefs must be on the KC sports network or something.
Pavano has only thrown 78 pitches, and they're already in the sixth
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and also screw Kansas City.
We’ll just do it ourselves, then.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
8-4
Alex Gordon is about to homer
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
like Laird's attitude
Wouldn’t have it any other way if they have to go to Minnesota and earn the division with a win.
Thinks Porcello it absolutely ready – he’s improved all year long and he can’t wait to catch him.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
jim said both JV and rick were offering to pitch yesterday
rick out of the bullpen even – but he said no.
Leyland on Porcello
Expects him to pitch well – knows he certainly won’t be scared to pitch a big game.
Thinks it will be a tremendous experience for him to pitch in such an environment.
Doesn’t think Porcello is all that smart because he wanted to pitch out of the bullpen the last two days :) and Verlander wanted to come in on three days, but “these are two golden arms, for a long time, and this manager was not going to have that on his conscience.”
If Dusty Baker had that attitude, Prior would still be pitching. Grrrrrrr…..
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
three days rest for Verlander
Doesn’t surprise me. Competitive athletes don’t think all that far ahead when the team needs them – the coaches and managers and trainers have to be responsible for reining them in.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
And here comes Billy Butler
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions
This is way too good of a situation for the Royals to act on it.
(Please let me eat my words)
I don't have a signature.
talking to Justin now
Happy to be alive since it was a do or die situation.
Wasn’t tired in the eighth inning, they just hit a few in the right spots.
Was watching on television and saw Curtis sprinting, and was thinking “oh gosh, oh gosh, oh gosh” and then say him catch it.
Was edgy a little bit before the game, but he is before every game. Doesn’t change his routine just because it’s a must-win game.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
butthead fail
although, that last strike was very borderline at best
But that’s twice he’s screwed up with a chance to do damage
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but all the cool kids are doing it
Or maybe not. I don’t know. I’m too old to be cool.
Just trying to find luck in the words of others. :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I didn't earn squat. :D
That’s why in the last day I’ve had three.
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useless royals
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
but its still 3 more innings against a very weak and tired twinkie bullpen
so there’s still hope
He HAS pitched in three straight games
And we made him throw, like, 27 pitches in one of those games. The Royals haven’t given him as much of a battle, but still…
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
great 9-4 now
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
What's that they say?
It’s not who you play, but when you play them?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
--end of 6th--
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Dusty Hughes
That so should be the name of an exotic dancer.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Hey, Kansas City!
You are playing no more games after this one. You may as well use all your sub-5.00 ERA guys in this game.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, I guess we have our answer as to who is starting for Minny on Tuesday
Duensing is coming into this game, so we must be up against Baker.
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Aw, man
The Twins found a reliever who could get Royals out consistently :-(
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Holy crap
The Yankees are leading the Rays 10-2 thanks to a 10-run sixth inning. A-Rod hit a 3-run home run AND a grand slam in that inning. He got 7 RBIs in ONE inning.
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holy knights of columbus!
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Got to go finish the basement...
keeping the tigers hat and wife beater on for some good mojo
GO ROYALS!
nice to see the aardvark and zoidberg again
Also nice to see great contributions from so many. Grandys catch. Raburns bombs. Maggs back from the dead. Rodney closing it out. Laird gunning a runner. And our resident BMF on the mound doing his thing. We looked like a pretty good club today.
by rook34 on Oct 4, 2009 4:34 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
nice
royals inserting the guy with a 13.50 ERA…this should end well….
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
now down to 12.79 :)
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
FSD won't have it, apparently
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
crap really?
I’m supposed to have this coming friday off… I dunno if I’ll be able to leave work early on monday as well. ugh
I work 4-9 on Tuesday
This is gonna kill me.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
per jason beck
Dombrowski on Cabrera: “We had a conversation of a personal nature. I am aware of what took place.”
yuh
but apparently it wasn’t anything severe enough that he felt needed to be made public, is how I’m looking at it
tbs covering a meaningless game...
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
10-4
go sit down yabuta
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
--end of 7th--
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
leadoff single
its a start :/
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
C'mon
I at least want them to have to use Nathan. For 30-40 pitches, preferably.
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Quick, someone go to Royals Review and give them my Drug Facts and Comparisons book
It’s worked before when the Tigers needed to come back from being down a bunch of runs.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
So, Kansas City has managed to get themselves back to the deficit they started with.
Why oh why could Greinke not hold them down yesterday?
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cuz gardenhires playing like theres no tomorrow
theyve deserved getting the playoff game but they still dont neccessarily deserve to win it.
im not trying to be negative here
but who u guys think will pitch on tuesday?
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
my hats off to minnesota they've come far.
but their winning stops today here and now
Looking ahead to Tuesday
Is anyone else hoping that Leyland doesn’t resort to using Huff as DH and instead sticks Guillen there with Raburn in LF?
He'll probably use Marcus Thames as the DH in the hopes that Thames hits one out
4 HRs career against Baker to go with, like, a .292 batting average.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess it's time to start researching matchups on baseball-reference
I’ll have those for you later
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i was shocked they couldnt even get the one greinke pitched
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
Well Greinke bet the house on deciding to pitch to Mauer
Big mistake on his part
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 4, 2009 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently he took the words "Good pitching will always beat good hitting" a little too seriously
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Royals...
Go to hell. Moving on….
I know the cake is baked on this, but can’t DD protest the game being played at 4 pm CDT in the Hellhole? That’s the worst possible time to play a game there due to the sun/sky against the roof they haven’t bothered to fix in 20 goddamn years.
It's also a sucky time because I'll be totally in the dark about what's happening
This is like Game 7 of the World Series. I don’t want to be coming home and having to look on a computer screen to find out what happened. Ack!
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm serious.
And it’s not just for us. The Twins lose fly balls there too at that time of day. We have a sinkerballer going, but it still sucks. That place is such a hellhole.
It's all Brett Favre's fault
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I could look at it that way. I hate him anyway.
If Cabby hits three bombs, it won’t matter. I just think that place sucks and MLB should have made them at least maintain that roof.
it was bases loaded at one point
and the braves still couldnt score
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
And after all that...
Cleveland and Kansas City end the season TIED for last place at 65-97.
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Someone said it was gonna be on TBS
But not FSD. We’ve seen the last of Mario and Rod for this year.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm convinced I'm good luck
I’m 3-0 for games at Comerica (and 4-0 for games at the Big House). Now if only I could go to Minnesota…
But seriously, great game. Justin was amazing for the first 7. Before the 8th sort of fell apart I wanted him to go the distance. When Raburn came out to LF after his 2nd homer the crowed over there cheered for him and chanted “RA-BURN! RA-BURN!” So happy for Maggs. And that catch of Curtis’s was truly spectacular. Minnesota, here we come.
The thought just occured to me...
If I’d’ve known this would happen I would’ve finished my slideshow on the Metrodome. Crap. I can TRY to get it done tomorrow (I don’t have school), but no guarantees.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmm...
Even though they only scored one run off Baker last time they saw him, they DID have decent at-bats. They worked the count, saw a lot of pitches, and got the pitch count up. They just didn’t get rewarded for that.
I guess we’ll find out just how much of a big game pitcher Scott Baker is. And Rick Porcello, for that matter.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Porcello > Baker
Doesn’t hurt either that Porcello will be on extra rest and Baker will be on short. His numbers are good against the Twins barring Kubel and Young. I feel we have just as good of a chance as Minnesota on Tuesday.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 4, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
And don't walk Nick Punto
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I swear
Nick Punto just sets up a forcefield around the strike zone every time he comes to the plate
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The angry part of me...
would just rather have us throw at Mauer or Kubel to set the tone.
But that’s not good baseball, not to mention the fact that I’m sure the umps will have a quick trigger finger for ejections.
Is this game at 4 or 5
MLB’s At-Bat app says 5:07 PM Eastern time, but I kept hearing 4:00 all day. Doesn’t matter; I still won’t be out of work in time.
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Ugh. The Tigers just needed to win one other game to seal the deal.
They’d best not fuck up on Monday. I’m not too sure on the rotation but I think Kid Rick pitches the biggest game of his career thus far tomorrow.
I'm so relieved and mad right now.
Relieved the Tigers at least didn’t lose the division outright; mad that they couldn’t win another game.
It's Rick and everyone other than JV.
And it’s on Tuesday. That will be one hell of a tough game to win, but you never know.
I certainly hope they don't screw up on Monday
considering they aren’t supposed to be playing…..
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You mean Tuesday, right? Farve has the Metrodome booked on Monday night.
And Leyland figures that Porcello is ready. Was asked about it specifically in the postgame, and told them he expects Porcello to pitch well because he is a good pitcher, and knows that for sure he won’t be scared. Kid is fearless – although he says he doesn’t think he’s all that smart, because he had been bugging Leyland to pitch out of the bullpen or something for the last two days, and Verlander wanted to go on short rest, but he wouldn’t let them.
After watching Baker overwork Mark Prior until that magnificent arm fell off, hearing Leyland say that there was no way he was going to have overworking either of those two “young golden arms” on his conscience was wonderful to hear.
Porcello might be so hopped up on adrenaline that he get a little out of control, but he won’t shrink from the challenge.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Kid Rick is an Iceman.
The only time I’ve seen him hopped up was his takedown of Youk.
The only way he has a problem is if the sinker ain’t dropping. Whether or not we can hit is another thing altogether. And you have to wonder if the Miggy story explodes in the 24 hours before the game.
Is there anything new on it
Last I heard, DD just said it was a personal matter and declined comment.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No, but the rumors are all over the place.
Someone will come up with something concrete at some point.
He left the clubhouse on Friday night looking fine.
He showed up Saturday with marks all over his face that suggested an altercation of some sort. The rumors have gone all over the place, from a clubhouse fight to a bar fight to Miggy’s excuse of being mauled by his dog. That must be one big dog.
Oh, speculation about the bruises and scratches on his face
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
And when they do, I probably won't hear about it
I never do. I hope it’s nothing that reflects TOO badly on him, but if it isn’t, why all the hush-hush?
For the record, my mom thinks it was either a woman or he got drunk and injured himself. My mom doesn’t really know much about Cabrera, though, so take it with a grain of salt.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
It might be just something embarassing but not unlawful or something
Like if he got drunk and fell over furniture there isn’t anything particularly bad about it, but it’s just an embarrassing and personal story. It might just be something he wants to keep private because it isn’t really anyone else’s business.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Had it been unlawful, either an accuser or a police report...
likely would have surfaced by now, unless it was domestic. I don’t know whether or not Miggy is married.
that's why I think it's just embarassing
I never like it when people pry into a public figure’s private life, unless it has to do with their job or it is illegal. If a religious figure has an affair, for example, it is important because they talk about and are expected to set a good example of how to live a moral life as part of their position within the community. If an athlete or an actor or someone has an extramarital affair, it doesn’t have anything to do with their job and (provided there is no workplace harrassment or issues of sexual assault or someone is underage, for example) shouldn’t be anyone’s business other than the spouse.
But I’m not a very nosy person, so I guess I’m a little abnormal that way.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I agree with Kurt's take...
the less I know, the better. Most of these guys would probably be harder to root for if we knew everything that they did in their personal lives. Of course, that’s the same with most people anyway.
my feelings too
I don’t care about the personal lives of my coworkers and colleagues, I don’t care about the details of the personal lives of several of my family members even, I just am not interested in the personal lives of the people who entertain me. People are all flawed and they can be decent human beings while falling far short of perfection.
I want them to work hard at their jobs and stay out of jail so they can continue being entertaining. I want them to avoid getting hooked on anything – drugs, alcohol, gambling, whatever – because I don’t wish that kind of hell on anyone. Besides that, how they choose to organize their personal lives is their business. I don’t want anyone else telling me what to do, so I’m not going to tell anyone else how to live, either.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
The girl in the white shirt is Biggy’s wife and the little one in the pink dress is his daughter. These pics are about 3 years old, just before he came to Detroit. He has a nice family. I don’t think he’s a bad guy AT ALL. Sometimes things happen that really are no one’s business. I just thought I’d share the pics.
look at that mop of hair!
What a cutie. :)
And you certainly have no dispute here about keeping out of people’s personal business. Heck, at least 95% of the people I know have quite enough trouble keeping track of their own lives, let alone trying to keep track of someone elses!
I do like seeing pictures of athlete’s families, though, because the kids are always so darn cute. And it’s fun to watch them grow up if an athlete stays somewhere for a while.
I know after the Red Wings won the Stanley Cup a couple years ago, I saw some pictures of Pavel Datsyuk and his daughter with the Cup, and I was amazed to see how big she has gotten because I remember that she was born when he was negotiating his last contract, and it’s easy to forget how long a player has been around until you sit back and count up the years. She’s adorable, too.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
She's adorable!
I’m with you guys in that I’m not really interested in prying into players’ personal lives. Unfortunately, the media doesn’t necessarily feel the same way, and I just hope that this whole thing doesn’t harm his reputation or cause a lot of grief for him or his family. I know all I have to go on is what I see on TV, but Miggy strikes me as a good person.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s less work to talk about a group of hockey players getting drunk at a bachelor party and hollering at cars along a rural road than to actually delve into statistics and stuff. I think that sometimes msm reporters can be bored and lazy with the new statistical analysis that some of the bloggers are coming up with. Especially the older ones. In any industry, there is an anxiety about being out of date and passed by, and sportswriting I’m sure is no different.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
The media is a terrible animal
It’s almost as if the majority of the population thrives on the misfortunes of others, especially those who live in the limelight. I remember a couple of years ago Maggs used to talk to the media a lot post game. Now he rarley says anything. I don’t blame him. I remember one game a couple of months ago they said they “coming up next, Magglio comments about the game.” I think it was Laird they ended up talking with. Good for him & for Biggy. Private lives mean just that….private.
Also, I have seen some youtube footage from when Biggy was a boy in little league. He comes from a humble background and he is surrounded by friends and he’s holding his little sister. He is by no means arrogant. I think he’s probably fun loving and a good natured person
Maggs took a lot of crap from a lot of people...
this year, from the stuff with Chavez at the World Baseball Classic to the contract to his wife’s illness. I read that he threw a bunch of the front pages from the Free Press (highlighting his failed sliding catch last night) into the garbage before the game today. He’s probably had about enough of the press for quite awhile.
concur
He is not a bad guy. Anyone who donates money like he does, for the kids in my neighborhood is alright with me. He will get no mention though on going 4-4 today and ending the regular season with a .309 BA. Trust me.
I've seen that Youtube video you're talking about
It’s amazing how much Miggy looks almost exactly the same nowadays. He never lost the babyface. And from what we’ve seen, he’s a total goofball, and I love it (that picture that Alli got of him before the Anaheim game was classic). I hope that never changes.
And with the media, it goes back to something I alluded to earlier but probably didn’t explain very well. If they ask you about something, you’re expected to spill all the details or you “must” be hiding something awful. As a result, a lot of guys end up divulging information they’d rather not, purely out of self-defense.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I do wonder, though...
Would this whole thing with Cabrera be THAT much of a story if our division weren’t still in play and we didn’t have the national media swarming all around?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
of course not
They could go right back to ignoring the Tigers.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
That’s why I never blame an athlete for not talking to the press a lot. I hear a lot of that about hockey players and how hockey isn’t bigger in the US because so many of those strange foreigners don’t even speak English. I’ve heard several interviews with Pavel Datsyuk, both in English and translated from Russian, and the man is hilariously funny. The problem is that if someone is speaking to him in English they just need to be patient and let him find the words, and I don’t think very many reporters have the time for that. Their loss. Any Red Wings fan knows how special he is and if he never talks to a reporter again his hockey stick speaks well enough for most of us. :)
I can’t even imagine dealing with the stalkers and other problems that professional athletes need to cope with.
There was an article I was reading, I think in the New York Times, about big-time college quarterbacks and how they can’t just go out on a date like any other college kid would, because the pictures and stuff would be all over the internet. One of them said that he had to be incredibly quick to move out of pictures because so often a girl would want a picture with him, and just before her friend (or even her mom!) would snap the picture, she would try to whip off her shirt.
What a bunch of bullshit they have to put up with. I’m so glad I’m not famous.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Being an athlete in the age of Twitter
and camera phones must be nearly impossible. Daysyuk’s teammates seem to love him, as do Magglio’s. That’s probably as good a barometer as anything.
oh, Datsyuk is awesome
The fans who know anything about hockey appreciate him, too. Even when he isn’t scoring he plays so well defensively and is such a good hitter. So much fun to watch with the puck.
I feel worse for individual athletes. At least with a team, a player has a family who knows what he is going through and understands the pressure and problems. An individual athlete doesn’t have the same ready access to a support system.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
here is the article on college quarterbacks
From the New York Times, here. I can’t even imagine s young man that age under that level of scrutiny. Young people are silly and do stupid things, and always have. It’s just too bad that so many youngsters aren’t going to have the same ability to let stupid college stunts fade into the background like they used to. Poor kids.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
It's kind of like that Michael Phelps incident
The one where pictures surfaced of him smoking a bong. The press acted like it was something morally reprehensible. I never thought that way. Yes, it was a dumb thing to do, but he’s young, he never really got to be a normal teenager or college student, and most people his age are bound to do dumb things from time to time. It doesn’t make me like him any less.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
I wonder what some of these reporters would have documented in their past if cell phone cameras existed back then? Just leave the kids alone and roll your eyes at the stupidity and wait for them to grow out of it as most do.
And yet with those who are older and should know better, things like messing around with guns or driving drunk get dismissed, while focusing on young antics that don’t run a risk of killing anyone else. I wonder if some reporters are worried about ticking off the athletes so they won’t talk to them anymore but they don’t worry about being frozen out by the younger athletes without as much money or reputation yet.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
or running a dog fighting ring of course
Now that is just reprehensible.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
sinker
That’s why the adrenaline might be an issue. But if anyone can calm him down, it will be Laird.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
They've also said that there is such thing as TOO much rest for a sinkerballer
Because then they feel too strong and their sinker doesn’t sink. But Rick kinda changed his approached his last few starts by throwing more breaking pitches and four-seam fastballs.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Given the situation..
he’ll be gone if there’s much trouble. EJ will be on standby. Along with everyone else other than JV.
I just got home from a long trip.
I heard monday from someone and it stuck in my brain. Rick seems to have ice in his veins because he sure doesn’t carry himself like a rookie.
that was the original plan
MLB thought they had precedence for the Metrodome over the MNF game between the Vikings and Packers, and the NFL basically said no way were they moving the game, so the playoff was scheduled for Tuesday.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I would have loved to see them force the NFL to flip-flop the home and away games
Just to mess up their stupid marketing of the Favre-fest. But an extra day before the playoff is fine, too.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Here's another way to look at it.
The Twins needed to win one more game to seal it too. They failed as well.
Nope, the Tigers had their fate in their hands.
The Twins were playing catch up. The Tigers failed to win 2 games to clinch. They’d best win this one game play off.
It would be nice to avoid the "worst choke in baseball history".
I’m getting pretty tired of hearing that already.
with the Mets around
There is no “worst choke in history” without their collapses. And I would put the postseason of the Cubs way ahead of this, too. And what about a team having a 3-0 series lead and giving it all up to the Red Sox?
There are much worse collapses when someone thinks about it for a second or two.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Thanks for the excellent examples.
We just had another patented offensive meltdown at the wrong time. Peavy had a lot to do with it. I won’t give us a pass for not hitting Freddy.
They came in today and did themselves proud. Good all-around performance.
We do that Tuesday and I’ll be able to live with the result either way.
sports in general and baseball in particular is full of examples of choking
Because people are human and sometimes crack under pressure. I’ve seen stories about tennis players who all of a sudden couldn’t return a ball, golfers who suddenly played like crap on the verge of a sure victory, and all kinds of teams that were the heavily favored winner but the pressure got to them, they were tight and nervous, and couldn’t manage to finish. It’s why everyone talks about how the last game of a series is hardest to win – logically it should be the easiest, because you already beat a team several times to get to that point, but human emotions and aspirations aren’t logical.
It’s what makes people such strange animals.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I really don't think this is anything out of the ordinary for this team.
We had a three day span of not scoring runs. That’s happened many times this year. We had one, aided by the presence of Jake Peavy, at the worst possible time.
The Twins took care of the Royals. We did not.
yup
Sometimes the idea of “choking” is just the result of such a streak coming at a highly visible time.
Now if the Tigers had an offense that was so prolific there was no need for frequent laments about squandering opportunites, it would be more unusual to be nearly shut out in three straight games. The team squandered so much that there is a t-shirt lamenting it! :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
and how strange is this division?
Two crappy teams tied for last, two decent but not especially good teams tied for first, and one somewhat less than mediocre team right in the middle. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
interesting blurb just on ESPN (assuming it is accurate)
In one-game tie-breaks, the home team is 4-4.
I would have assumed it would be a better than 0.500 record, but it isn’t.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I wish the wins came in the more recent playoff games.......
I know Boston choked away a couple in the 30s or 40s at Fenway.
In the top 9th inning
on Friday night Ozzie Guillen was in the dugout heckling our position players, sticking his tongue out at them and so forth, he was also doing that to our runners in the bottom of the 9th. ( Meaning Magglio)
Then on Saturday, Biggy shows up bruised, not starting any rumors, just sayin’.
I'd be happier if on Saturday
Ozzie also showed up with his arm in a sling and a couple of broken ribs. :)
Interesting though. Guillen is so unprofessional sometimes – kind of childish. I know my sister and he husband would be very unhappy with their young nephew if he acted like that – and he’s just in preschool.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Ozzie is something of a jackass.
The stories of him being a jackass around Chicago are legion. He’s fully capable of being friendly and big-hearted too, but his mouth gets him into trouble. If he weren’t so charismatic and generally likable, someone would have closed out his dance card a long time ago.
so I have heard
There are people I have known who were jackasses but still professional, though. He just has really poor impulse control, it seems.
Well, if it manifests itself in general mouthiness and cussing, that’s better than smacking around people or domestic animals. Just annoying.
But he’s done for the season and the Tigs have (at least) one more game to prepare for, so magnanimity comes easy. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
He is very much the kid....
who shoots off his mouth, pissing everyone off, but is able to charm enough so they don’t beat the hell out of him.
Frank Thomas wanted to kill Ozzie both as a player and a manager. Of course, Frank had problems with pretty much everyone in the Sox organization at one point or another.
I wonder what sort of animal the High Priest has in mind for Tuesday's sacrifice.
Just joking, not sure if Miggy practices that sect of Santeria or not.
is it that common in Venezuela?
I know it’s a common religion in Cuba, but there is a lot of Catholicism and local variants in South America, too.
I’m not a religious person myself so I have no clue what’s common elsewhere.
Maybe it will be twin chickens. :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
sometimes people combine things, though
Years and years ago, when I was living in the Baltimore area, the Baltimore Museum of Art had an exhibit on voodoun – not the goofball Hollywood version, but the real thing – and I wish I could have spent more time with the exhibit (long story) because the accoutrements were amazing. Gorgeous hand-embroidered flags and garments, all covered with sequins and metallic threads. One entire segment was about how when Catholicism came into the area the people didn’t switch from their old ways, but blended the two faiths together and elements of Catholic imagery began to appear in the voodoun items and other names appeared in the ceremonies and invocations.
Really, really fascinating stuff – and beautifully intricate artwork, too.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Yes, I had to do a presentation on religion in Haiti for my French class in college
Just about everyone in Haiti considers themselves Catholic, but nearly every Haitian incorporates some form of Voodoun into their beliefs and practices as well.
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
to me that is the most interesting aspect of religion
How people are so adaptable in taking what makes sense to them and incorporating into their existing world view. For all the talk from some religious leaders about how rigid and inflexible their rules are, when people actually put the principles into practice it is much more flexible and therefore more interesting. And I enjoy seeing the worksmanship that people put into an art object that is intended to serve a religious purpose – stained glass windows, tile patterns in a mosque, embroidery on religious vestments – whatever. There is such a care and love that comes through even if a person doesn’t follow the religion at all. Such a very human quality – more defining of the species than tool-making I think.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
For someone who's only 26, he's quite accomplished, isn't he?
I mean, I’m about four months younger than him, and I’m still in school. I feel like such an underachiever.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I just have to give Santeria credit for such a cool term for the high priest
I was flipping through a book on the history of the Papacy for some reason once, and there was a list of all the popes in the back with their actual given names as well as their pope names.
If they stuck with the names they were born with, the Catholic church could have had a Pope Bruno and a Pope Guido in it’s history. How cool would that be!
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
My ex
is from the Honduras, it is also widely practiced there. He told me it’s fairly common in both Central and South America
But no cycle!
Since he couldn’t manage a triple, clearly he stinks. lol :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
they don't know that I found my lucky scrunchie though!
That adds 20% right there. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
ESPN sucks
I don’t ever visit their website because three times in a row I got attacked by a virus and my computer crashed. I haven’t missed it, either.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
And if you read Yahoo
Everyone in our division should be lucky they have teams
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I was pretty pessimistic...
until Grandy made that grab. For some reason, that made me feel a lot better. If we were going to gag, shouldn’t that ball have gotten by him?
Just trying to make myself feel better. But it did brighten my mood.
Well, if they were wrong about 96%, they should be wrong about 43%, right?
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Tiger fan, yes, I hope the 43% is wrong
But at this point, anyone else probably thinks that’s too high.
Nah.
The Twins can’t hit this well forever. They didn’t hit this well, or pitch this well, for five months when they had Morneau and Crede. They are the slight favorite ‘cause they get to play in the Hellhole. That’s it. Their run will end either by us or shortly after. They simply can’t play over their heads forever.
all streaks end sometime
I just hope their luck runs out against us instead of the Yankees.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Well, I pointed out to my sister
We shouldn’t even be in this situation we put ourselves in. She said to me, “it is what it is” Now we just have to win and say goodbye to that damn dome. The groundscrew in MN doesn’t want the playoffs there. They already had NO plans to keep converting that field from football
Tammy
Someone said it a couple days ago on a game thread
But I really hope that this whole season is really just one giant Fernando Rodney save.
and I hope this epic roller coaster ride was designed by a competent engineer
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
sorry, but I don´t trust a Vegas engineer
to design the postseason playoff roller coaster. Especially not with the odds cited above.
no time to fly them in
We only have until Tuesday evening to get the thing running. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I'm an engineer, but a civl engineer.
Besides, in any computer game that involves building roller coasters, I end up building death traps.
death trap would be fine
The Twins could go on that ride!
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
my sister is mechanical
Working on her PhD right now and hoping to defend in December.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Same here
Mine always end up being “Ultra-extreme” and not very fun. The little game people who ride it all immediately throw up after getting off, and it’s a pain for my handymen to clean up.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
hee hee
I’m not a player of computer games now, but I remember when they looked like this.
No digital puking with an Atari system. So primitive.
I was awesome at Centipede, though.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Sadly, the Atari system predated me, and yet I had one
I thought Pong was the most boring thing, though. The Atari finally burned out for good when I was about six years old. And that is the only console system I ever had up until about two years ago when I bought my PS2. I’ve also had a Gameboy and a Game Gear along the way. But most of the games I play are on the PC. I have a tendency to get myself addicted to Sims games.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think I would easily get addicted to games like Sims
But that is why I don’t have them. I spend enough time on the computer as it is right now.
Not that I’m complaining, mind. It’s a great way to simulate having friends over for conversation without having to buy them food and drink, worrying about driving conditions, and you can sign off and go to bed whenever you want to.
I also remember when the only way to kill time on a work computer was by changing the settings on the screen saver and playing Doom. Now with the internet sometimes I wonder how any work ever gets done.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I heard about one that apparently simulates evolution
If I had that I would never leave the house.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I think it's called Spore
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you're right
I would get nothing done EVER AGAIN. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
+1
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by David Tokarz on Oct 4, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm sure Zack wins it
If memory serves me right, his season was pretty parallel to Cliff Lee’s last season, making headlines with a border-line subzero ERA to start the season.
right
Besides, they should do it with charts and rolloing polyhedral dice in true nerd fashion.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
So who's the Dungeon Master?
http://tigersamateuranalysis.blogspot.com
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
not me
Besides, I liked Shadowrun and Deadlands more anyway. The rules for character generation were more flexible. :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I had some White Wolf books (still do, actually)...
And my friends and I tried to start playing Vampire in high school, but it never really got rolling because one of my friends decided his character would never associate with the rest of our characters because he was too much of a loner.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
we had a character like that
Got rid of him because the group was in a tight spot and while he was off being his loner self the rest of the group made a side deal to sacrifice him for the greater good of the group. :)
Kind of like missing a meeting and getting assigned all the worst jobs. He took the hint and his next character was a little more sociable.
I still have all of my 100+ dice, but unfortunately all my gaming rulebooks were wrecked by water damage through a leaky roof. Haven’t gamed in years, but it would be kind of cool to still have them for sentimental reasons.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
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