Bring on Game 163: Tigers 5, White Sox 3
Saturday morning, I was out for breakfast with my mother. Naturally, the Tigers came up in conversation. ("You're still doing that?" - Just kidding; she didn't say that. Not out loud, anyway.)
Eventually, I said that the Tigers were still in good shape because Justin Verlander was pitching on Sunday.
"Is he really that good?" Mom asked.
Yes, Mom, he's that good.
This is why teams want that one great starting pitcher, that ace that can carry you to heights you might not otherwise reach. This is why Jim Leyland saved Verlander for today, in case the Tigers absolutely needed a win to extend their season. And this is why the Detroit Tigers live to play at least one more game.
Verlander dominated the White Sox for seven innings, allowing no runs and just two hits. And just to make sure that effort stood up, the Tigers' lineup scored five runs, thanks largely to Ryan Raburn and Magglio Ordonez. Verlander tired out in the eighth inning, giving up four straight hits that resulted in three White Sox runs. That made the crowd at Comerica Park (and any other Tigers fans watching on TV, obviously) squirm in their seats with dread.
But Fernando Rodney took over to get the last out of the eighth, and retired the side in order in the ninth to close out the ballgame and ensure a one-game tiebreaker on Tuesday in Minneapolis. (The Tigers had a chance to win the division outright, but the Twins crushed the Royals, 13-4, to stay tied for first in the AL Central.)
And so one more game is needed to decide this division. Just when the Tigers (and their fans) thought they'd never have to see the Metrodome, again they must enter that teflon-coated field of screams. But how many demons could be conquered, and how many painful memories erased, if they can win there on Tuesday?
Roar:
Besides Verlander's turn in the rotation coming up, perhaps the second most fortunate development of Sunday's game for the Tigers is that they faced a left-handed pitcher. With John Danks getting the start for the White Sox, Raburn was in the lineup. And when he gets a few at-bats in a game this season, he tends to do something. Sunday was no exception.
Raburn went 3-for-4, with two home runs, three RBIs, and three runs scored. For a team that scored one run in its past two games, he provided a much needed jolt. And perhaps Leyland has finally realized that Raburn gives them the best chance to win, announcing after the game that he'll get the start on Tuesday against Scott Baker.
Ordonez also continued being the Tigers' most consistent bat with a 4-for-4 day. He's now on a 12-game hitting streak, during which he's batted 18-for-40 22-for-44. (Thanks for the correction in the comments.)
Purr:
A closer's job changes a bit in the postseason. No pitching strictly in the ninth inning. If more than three outs are needed to finish off a playoff game, a closer has to extend himself. Rodney's track record hasn't been great when he's asked to pitch in situations other than what a closer is accustomed to.
But the Tigers needed someone to finish off the eighth inning on Sunday, and Leyland figured he might as well put his best guy in there. Their season was on the line, after all. And he'll likely have to do it again if the Tigers make the playoffs. Consider also that Rodney was working a day game after a night game in which he threw 24 pitches.
Comment of the Day:
Okay, forget my statements about Raburn being 0-for-8 against Danks with 5 Ks
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Yay! 2 COTNs in a row!
Unfortunately, I will not be able to extend that streak.
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that's okay
We’re a team here. Someone else will pick up the slack. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
technically....
rodney retired the side in order after Wise got an infield hit….but who’s complaining?
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It's the Rodney version of "retiring the side in order"
You almost have to ignore the one baserunner he always allows.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just glad it wasn't one of "those Rodney saves"
Three walks followed immediately by three strikeouts.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
wow
i heard results from afar. can’t believe we come down to a playoff.
and curse missing all the games! hope you all didn’t go nuts when we won today eh?
I Like Pie
define nuts
But this person for one has been pretty nuts in general for many years. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Listen...
I have a better chance of beating Usain Bolt in the 100m than the Tigs do of beating the Twins in the Homerdome on Tuesday. We’re looking at a nationally-televised embarrassment.
I find your lack of faith disturbing
Come on, the two teams have equivalent records and that was with the Twins playing out of their minds the last 20 games or so and they just split a four game series. This isn’t you and Usain Bolt – it’s you and your similarly-quick buddy running a race in his neighborhood which you have only visited a few times.
It could go either way, but it isn’t as though the Tigs have no chance.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
+1
Mostly for the Darth Vader quote.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 4, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's too close to call
sure, the Dome is enemy territory, but you have to play where you the put you.
national TV seems to have a negative impact on Detroit (at least it’s only TBS)
but…
Kid Rick actually has a good ERA vs. the Twins is 3.09 in 23 1/3 innings (although he’s only 1-2 in 4 starts)
The Tigers have averaged 4.89 runs/game against the Twins
plus that stat that no one has lost the division after leading since May 10th. i’ll hang my hat on that one!
Scott Baker vs. Tigers: Fun Facts from Baseball-Reference
And, as always, these are career numbers, and Rick’s numbers against the Twins will be forthcoming:
Leyland has already said that Ryan Raburn WILL be in the lineup on Tuesday because righties are hitting Baker better than lefties. In case you’re wondering, Raburn has never faced Baker.
The interesting question is: Who is Raburn going to replace in the lineup? Both Thames and Guillen have good numbers against Baker. We already documented Thames’s numbers last Thursday (a .308 average with 4 HRs). Guillen is 11-for-27 (.407) with a home run himself. So…basically you have three guys and only two spots in the lineup (LF and DH).
Granderson also has hit 4 HRs against Baker, but he’s only 10-for-45 (.222) overall against him, with 6 strikeous (Inge also has 6 Ks).
The only Tigers who have seen Baker and have NOT struck out at least once are Aubrey Huff and Adam Everett, neither of whom we are likely to see start this game. In Everett’s case, it’s simply a matter of Santiago having really good numbers against Baker (.400 average).
Interestingly enough, Huff and Everett are also the only two Tigers to NOT have at least one RBI against Baker.
Three Tigers have hit Baker for the cycle: Granderson, Guillen and Magglio (not in the same game, of course).
Speaking of Maggs, he absolutely mashes against Baker: 18-for-39 (.462) with 3 doubles, a triple, and 2 HRs to go with 6 RBIs.
This is another guy that Polanco does not hit well (.212—geez, that’s the third guy in a row that Polanco can’t hit). Inge isn’t so great against him either (6-for-33).
Looking for Cabrera to bust out (Aren’t we all)? His numbers against Baker aren’t eye-popping (5-for-18, or .278), but he does have a double and a HR to go with 4 RBIs and 5 strikeouts. He DOES have 3 walks against Baker, which is significant because Baker is normally a strike-thrower.
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thanks for this
It’s pretty nice to see all the numbers laid out like this and it’s good of you to take the time required for the research.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
+1
Small sample sizes or no, it’s nice to see this stuff. We can kinda get in the head of Leyland as he plans his lineup.
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by David Tokarz on Oct 4, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, thank you
If you guys like it, I’ll start doing it more regularly next year (and hopefully during the postseason this year).
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 5, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions
and pulling ideas out of thin air
Maybe Raburn in LF instead of Guillen, but Guillen as a DH? Saving Thames for possible pinch-hitting later?
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I like our chances against Baker
We have lit him up this year. I know it doesn’t tell the whole story but he has an ERA of 6.75 against us this year. He went 6 innings in his first start against us back in May, but since then we’ve knocked him out of the game pretty early and made him work hard to keep the score low. Again, I haven’t done enough number crunching and it’s a very small sample size, so it’s hard to determine that we’ve absolutely destroyed him, but he hasn’t fared well against us. At the same time, he has a FIP of 4.03 on the year, which places him in the Pretty Darn Good camp. Here’s hoping we can continue our trend of knocking him out of the game early and capitalizing with a few runs to soothe Porcello’s nerves!
You know what?
I welcome this playoff. Best case scenario, we humiliate the Twins in their last game at the Metrodome and the last scenes of baseball in the damn place will be of Joe Mauer and Jason Kubel humiliated. Worst case, we were still in a pennant race in a year in which we were predicted by almost everyone to finish last in the Central. And we get a higher draft pick.
BRING IT TWINKS.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
I think there is less pressure in this playoff game than in the Chicago series
Because both teams are really in the same place now emotionally. One game to move on and that’s it. No worrying about matchups, other games in other cities, what else happens in the series – one last game for all the marbles.
(And sorry about your Hurricanes. The season has just started off really really wierd for a lot of teams.) :(
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Thanks
I missed both games (one for baseball, the other for an amusement park/haunted house thing) and I’m just hoping this is a momentary thing.
Also, sad face for Erik Cole. ;(
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saw that
If the poor man didn’t have bad luck, he’d have no luck at all. At least it isn’t a season-ending thing.
Detroit and Vancouver are also 0-2, St. Louis and Colorado (!) are 2-0, San Jose hasn’t looked very good either … small sample sizes. Always crazy initially.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Yeah...
But Cole has major injury problems in his past too… guy deserves a lucky break.
And I don’t follow hockey much out of Carolina, but aren’t the Blues a pretty good young team?
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not bad - good talent
They had a lot of key long-term injuries last year. I’m more amused by the 2-0 record for Colorado. Darcy Tucker is going to score 82 goals this year! And Ray Emery outplaying Brodeur by a large margin made me chuckle. Nik Kronwall didn’t look like he was ever going to have a healthy season either, so here’s hoping that Cole’s issues are behind him once his leg heals.
And I think I can actually finally get some sleep now. Tomorrow is going to be nerve-wracking waiting for a whole other day to pass before we can decide this thing finally.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Rick Porcello vs. Twins
Small sample sizes all around, but it’s something at least:
Porcello has only given up two HRs to the Twins. One was that home run to Michael Cuddyer that sealed his fate in Minnesota. The other home run was to Justin Morneau, and well, we’ll worry about HIM next year.
Only four Twins have RBIs against Porcello: Span, Cuddyer, Young, and Morneau each have two.
Rick’s actually done a good job against Joe Mauer. Mauer’s only 1-for-9 against him. I’d still suggest pitching around him if the situation called for it if not for the fact that…
Kubel absolutely KILLS Porcello. He is 8-for-11 (.727) with 2 doubles, but oddly enough, no RBIs.
Delmon Young also hits Porcello well (4-for-9 with a double and 2 RBIs). And, of course, both he and Kubel have been hot of late. Tolbert, Morales, and Casilla are also over .300 against Rick, but those three all have five or fewer ABs against him.
Orlando Cabrera is only 1-for-12 off Porcello.
And because we HAVE to check this stat, I’ll give it to you: Rick Porcello has walked Nick Punto twice.
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universally hated
even by most Twins fans
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 4, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions
should sell t-shirts
Is there a computer-thingie for the opposite of <3 ?
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
We'll have to get one that says "I Hate Nick Punto"
It’ll go with the “No Squandering” and “Throw Strikes” T-Shirts.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 4, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd buy that shirt
That is, if I wasn’t a poor college student…
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The obvious key to the lefties (namely Kubel) is the 2-seamer.
If he can’t bury it inside, he needs to scrap it. Whether one likes his announcing or not, Joe Morgan knows how to hit from the left side. I’ve heard him talk many times about how easy it is to hit a RHP 2-seamer. The spits bear that out for Porcello: .255 vs RHB and .281 vs LHB.
by StringTheory on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions
May the best team win!
With two teams this similar in skill, it’s fitting that everything comes down to a one game tiebreaker. I can’t wait for Tuesday, it should be an awesome game!
Let’s hope whoever wins can ride the tiebreaker win into a victory against the Yankees!
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Oct 5, 2009 12:00 AM EDT reply actions
here's hoping for a good game
And thanks for being a decent visitor. Appreciated the conversation.
(But I still don’t like your team.) :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I know
Nervous jitters the entire time while baseball grinds to a halt to wait for the last division to be decided. Stupid Brett Favre.
ESPN can spend their time talking Yankees and Red Sox so they should be happy.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
and it doesn't help that I both slept late this morning
And then took a post-game nap. So now my sleep patterns are shot to hell.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Oh, by the way...
Have i mentioned that I love Justin Verlander?
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I love Justin too.
But I think everyone knows that by now. I mentioned it a few times.
What an amazing and fantabulous pitching talent.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
It could be a reversible shirt - or a coffee mug
one side = “I love Justin Verlander”
other side = “I hate Nick Punto”
hee hee
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I would buy a shirt that says
on the front: “I love all the Twins!”
and on the back: “Except Nick Punto.”
Good luck to you all on Tuesday. I hope the game is crisp and well executed. And I’m with Gill, let’s hope whoever wins just destroys the Yankees. See you Tuesday, guys!
I always loved that one.
I'll add an addendum:
It’s not a shock that Miggy was out drinking, even the night before a game. Alcohol is a big part of the daily life of baseball.
The fact that he apparently drove himself home, with a .26, is unforgivable. He’s lucky he’s not dead, nor anyone else with him.
I jumped the gun on one thing:
Nowhere is it stated that he drove home. Just that he came home. It’s totally conceivable that someone dropped him off or he took a cab.
Either way, not a good move, and one that will go over horribly, justifiably so.
I'm having a hard time believing that Mig could even walk into his house...
let alone a police car with that sort of BAC. But I guess the news/police never get anything wrong, especially numbers.
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I already knew he and Ozzie Guillen were friends
In fact, when the Florida Marlins made Miggy available, Ozzie lobbied heavily for Ken Williams to go after him.
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by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 5, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions
alcohol is a big part of sports culture, period
Including for the fans. Anyone can count the number of beer adverts during any game on television and the number of times they have encountered rowdy fans who had too much to drink at an event. It would be more upsetting if it wasn’t something so incredibly pedestrian. “Getting drunk and fighting with your spouse” is so incredibly NORMAL, really.
If it’s a habit, he better get help. Otherwise his family will suffer more the longer it goes on.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
I've lost all respect for him
In the biggest series of the year with the season on the line he does this. WHY was he out drinking? Is he an alcoholic? Can’t handle the pressure? No wonder he didn’t hit a ball out of the infield the whole series.
He's now on a 12-game hitting streak, during which he's batted 22-for-44
You didn’t add Sunday’s game.
Anyways...
enough of this sad Miguel Cabrera shit. WE GET TO SEE MORE BASEBALL!!!! AND WE GET TO EMBARRASS THE TWINS AT THE METRODOME!!!! (as long as Don Kelly doesn’t take the field and a fly ball gets hit his way) :)
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won't be Don Kelly
Will be Ryan Raburn and he will slay all oncoming demons with a wicked bat. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
Cabrera Drunk in The Middle of a Pennant Race?
The reports are now in that Miguel was drunk on Saturday morning after partying with White Sox Players. How can this happen? Partying with members of the opposing team? And then having an awful series going 0 for 11 against them? I’m a diehard Tigers fan, but this is terrible for him to do this. The funny thing would be for him to have a good game tomorrow in a Tigers victory. Then all is forgiven. If they lose and he has a bad game, then the heat is on him. Sorry-but this how I feel about this. But the bottom line is GO TIGERS!!! Just win!! How does anyone else feel about this?
Sorry Miggy
You should sit this one out. You clearly don’t care about your team, and quite frankly will probably be an 0-4 dissapointment anyway. It’s our most important game of the season, and it’s time for players with less talent and more desire to win to get their chance. I hope to see Marcus Thames or Ryan Raburn at first base tomorrow night. If we lose, we lose… Life will go on, and I’ll live. Miggy can get His winter started early and continue to get inexcusably drunk and not show up to his job. It’s Miguel Cabrera who will be to blame in my eyes if this team fails to qualify for the playoffs. I hate to be so upset with him, but as a loyal fan, I feel betrayed. Drinking that much the night before one of the biggest games of the year is simply irresponsible, and there is no way he was 100% physically or mentally on Saturday.
by Ohio Tiger on Oct 5, 2009 12:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well said
The disappoinment we, as Tiger fans feel is one thing. But how he let down his teammates and the organization is inexcusable and unfathomable. If Leyland had any stones, he would sit him tommorrow. But that will certainly never happen, and he’ll go 0-4 and hit into a double play to end the game.
MIGGY
unbelievably inexcusable, utterly disgusted here. Enough has been said about the situation that this comes in, goes with out saying, but this is the most important time of the year. Man if he starts he better be a star. I too feel betrayled, I wonder if he really does have a drinking problem, I have been saying forever that the guy either goes 0-4 or 3-4….he is all or nothing. I wonder if he really does have a drinking problem. would not surprise me in the least now…He should be excused from the team immediately…sent to rehab and lets us unite…and let him come back a better person/player next year…can you imagine if he does have a drinking problem and puts up the numbers he does right now…what if he was off the bottle?
more than anything, i feel stupid.
It goes without saying that fans care about the outcomes more than the players do at times. We are fans because it makes us feel like kids, wheb most of us first loved the game for whatever reason. To see your best player disrespect himself, his team, his adopted city and all of us who cheer for them is insulting. But I basically feel like I got a peek behind the curtain and didn’t like what I saw. Players drink. Players blow off steam. But if what’s being reported is true, this is drinking like an 18 year old at his first party. Someone also needs to ask leyland what condition miggy was in on saturday. Not that he will answer.
by rook34 on Oct 5, 2009 12:36 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I'm embarassed for Miguel and the team.
And of course, he has to do this when the team is in the spotlight the most it has been since 2006. I’m glad our best, highest paid hitter was still hungover for one of the most important games of the season. Too bad most of these players don’t care about what they do for a living as much as we do.
If we blow it on Tuesday, this is going to be the cherry on top of an incredibly embarrassing choke job. I hope someone is checking to make sure all the players are in their rooms at like 10pm tonight. Clearly, they’re unable to act like adults without supervision.
Don't blame the whole team
When Granderson is giving it up so hard to save the ballgame…and Verlander is throwing his arm out to prolong the season…..etc.
It’s Cabrera who is deserves all blame. While we have gagged our way to this point, and should they lose tommorrow, will be linked to the Mets of a couple years ago, this is still and individual disgrace more than a Tiger embarassment.
Oh, definitely not the whole team.
But was Miguel really the only Tiger out with the Sox last night? All our Venezuelans, and they only invite Miguel? I’d be surprised if Miguel was the only one. Of course, the others were clearly at least some degree more responsible, since they didn’t end up at the police station.
I hope Verlander or someone gives Miguel a good speech, after all he’s poured into this season. I would be insulted if I were only of Miguel’s teammates that actually cared.
blowing off steam from the miggy situation
I know its been said before but I am going to make my self feel better..To: Miggy, I have to get up and go to work 5 days a week and sometimes 6 and 7 days a week like this past weekend…and I show loyality to a company that pays me $14.00 an hour (plus commission, woo) and I have perfect attendance miggy. Because its a good job and I feel I owe it to a company that treats me well. Maybe you can come up with 153 million reasons to do the same??

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