How the Tigers (still) fail as a franchise
This is my "I told you so" moment.
For those of you who might not remember, over three months ago, I posted a rather critical article saying how the Tigers had failed as a franchise and that the team does not play well when presented with adversity. Here's the post I made:
http://www.blessyouboys.com/2009/6/28/928361/how-the-tigers-fail-as-a-franchise
Today, the Tigers have proven me right. Despite being in first place for the majority of the year, the 2009 season for the Tigers comes down to squandered opportunities and a failure on the part of management to make the right moves to ensure that this team has a chance to win. Today, Fernando Rodney was used for three innings and allowed 7 runners to reach base. Today, Jim Leyland cost the team a chance to play in the playoffs. Today, the Tigers lost to the Twins.
What then, separates the Twins and the Tigers? The Twins had a considerably lower payroll and presented a starting rotation at the beginning of the season that was nowhere near as talented as what Detroit brought to the table. The Twins have one of the best closers in the game, and a very good catcher. Most of the other aspects of the two teams are about even, save for one aspect: leadership.
The Minnesota Twins, quite simply, have better leadership and better management than Detroit. After having a full day to rest his entire bullpen, Jim Leyland got only one-third of an inning out of Fu Te-Ni, allowed Zach Miner to go and blow a save and used Fernando Rodney in a non-save situation, which is his biggest weakness. The Detroit bullpen was not emptied in an attempt to keep runs off the board, quite the contrary. The Twins, however, used as many relievers as they could to try and keep the game close. That difference is enough to send one team onward in October and send another team home. I feel I should also note that Leyland has not won a division title for any team since his days with the Pirates and will face his third straight year with the Detroit Tigers not making the playoffs.
The problem, however, does not simply lie with Leyland. It also lies with Dave Dumbrowski. Some of Dumbrowski's trades have been, well...just plain dumb. Here are a few examples:
Jair Jurrjens to the Braves
Ivan Rodriguez for Kyle Farnsworth
A minor league pitcher for Josh Anderson/Josh Anderson to Kansas City for cash
Jarrod Washburn for Luke French and others
Acquiring Aubrey Huff
The whole Dontrelle Willis "thing"....he will make 10 million dollars this year for what I believe are two good starts and a few bad ones.
While Dumbrowski did make a good deal by trading Matt Joyce for Edwin Jackson, the majority of his other moves have hurt the Tigers enormously. While Pudge might not be an all-star caliber player anymore, his production split between the Rangers and Astros has been better than that of Gerald Laird. For those of you who would say that Laird is important in terms of stopping baserunners, I would remind everyone of a game not so long ago where runners stole bases at will against Laird while Rod Allen and Mario Impemba claimed that it "wasn't his fault." Irregardless, it will go down in Laird's stats as a runner uncaught.
Jair Jurrjens has become a strong part of a Braves rotation. For those of you who would say he does well because he's in the NL, keep in mind he has face hitters like Ryan Howard, Chase Utley, Hanley Ramirez and Adam Dunn on a regular basis. Clearly, then, there's something about Jurrjens that is helping him succeed. Apparently, no one in the Detroit system noticed this particular something or if they did, they never spoke up about it.
Josh Anderson wasn't the best outfielder anyone's ever seen, and he's probably a career platoon player. However, giving a pitching prospect in your minor league system away for cash is a practice that will not win anybody promotions or cocktail dinners at the end of the year.
Luke French was a good pitcher for the Tigers. He hasn't been a good pitcher for the Seattle, but this deal reminds me so much of when Jeff Weaver had a good half-year with Detroit and then went to the Yankees where he promptly self-destructed. Getting rid of French (who made his major league debut this year) in exchange for Washburn's substandard production is another sign that trades are not made on the basis of potential talent, but of plain old stats, which can change rapidly with a change of scenery.
Aubrey Huff might have been the third baseman to let Inge get a rest. And...no matter how much anyone ever says anything to the contrary, I believe the Tigers made a huge mistake letting Inge play through his injury and not seeking out another third baseman such as Scott Rolen to fill the gap. During the second half, Inge was a drain on the lineup more often than not; he hit .186 in 263 at-bats. Apparently, the pride of an individual to perform outweighs the need of a team to win. Also, Huff did not do well with the Tigers, but this kind of thing has happened to other teams. What bothers me is that a replacement for Inge was not even entertained. Nevermind Ryan Raburn, he was never made to be an infielder.
From September 1st until October 6th, the Tigers went 16-16. During this timeframe, the Tigers were swept by the Royals in three games at Kansas City. They also played the Twins 9 times and went 3-6. Entering Friday, October 2nd, the Tigers were up by two games and they dropped two straight to the White Sox while the Twins won twice. In those two games, they were outscored 1-13.
Taking all things into consideration, one well-played game by the Twins did not sink Detroit's season. Detroit left the door wide open for another franchise to walk through one did. The blame has to be placed on the leadership of the team. Simply put, it's time for a change in Detroit. The city deserves better, their fans deserve better and, quite frankly, the players on the field deserve better.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Bless You Boys writing staff. However, it does reflect the views of this particular fan, which is as important as anything else written here at BYB.
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Not Horacio
Sorry, I meant Hanley Ramirez. :-p
by Winter on Oct 6, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Urk
Where’s the edit button anyways? Hopefully you guys get my point.
by Winter on Oct 6, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We do get that you're a troll
Go away.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 6, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, you're obviously entitled to your opinion
But do you understand why people wouldn’t want to read this right now?
I mean, do you really? Because I wonder whether you do. Have you had most of this post sitting around waiting to publish when the Tigers inevitably lost?
I don’t know how many people will read this. At some point, maybe they’ll be ready to.
But I do know that people don’t enjoy or particularly like being kicked when they’re down, having salt rubbed in the wound, and generally taunted for daring to emotionally invest themselves in a team and with their fellow fans.
For someone claiming to care about Detroit fans deserving better, maybe you could’ve considered that they deserve a little bit of tact after taking a tough loss tonight.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 7, 2009 12:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You are a lot more tactful than I'd be in this situation
My hat is off to you, good sir.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ian
we spent half day talking with guy in the summer on topics such as this and how the Nationals are a “better” franchise. He has not posted since and then following yesterday’s classic he posts an “I told you so.” As I said before the use of the word fail is what is unforgiveable. I’m off to work with my chin held high for my Tigers, if you have the ability I would like to request have this post removed and this guy banned. Just one mans opinion.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not reading this now.
I might someday. Probably not. But I would just like to say that you are a giant dick for posting this right now.
by rcpratt on Oct 7, 2009 1:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother
More incoherence. This partial sentence sums up his command of the English language and the general spirit of his “arguments”:
“And…no matter how much anyone ever says anything to the contrary, I believe the Tigers made a huge mistake…”
Complete that sentence with any personnel move the Tigers ever made, and Winter can tell you how it led to yesterday’s loss. Except his reasoning will totally contradict the last paragraph about some other move. And the next paragraph. So don’t read it. It will bother you at this sensitive hour. But it shouldn’t, because it’s garbage.
by cloud wall on Oct 7, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well now...
I wouidn’t say that a lot of the bad moves on Dumbrowski’s part led to last night’s loss. But I would say that last night’s game wouldn’t have been necessary in the first place had the Tigers not need to put Nate Robertson and Alfredo Figaro on the mound. If they had kept Luke French, for instance, they might have won a game or two more. The Twins might not have even got the chance to play for the division title.
And yes, I have been waiting to post something \lke this, because people in Detroit need to wake up to the fact that their team as a whole is letting them down when there’s no real reason that it should. My feeling is….if anyone really likes the Tigers, they’ll recognize that Leyland and Dumbrowski have been sabotaging this team for a while now.
To me, blind loyalty to a team is a bad thing if you’re not able to see that a pattern is definitely emerging year after year. I also find it strange to be criticized for liking a last-place team like the Nationals when the Tigers themselves were in last place in 2008. If I’m not supposed to like the Nationals, then logically, no one should have stayed loyal to the Tigers at the start of the year.
by Winter on Oct 7, 2009 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Franchise failure?
Not the case. The reason the Twins are in the post season and we’re not is very, very simple. Prior to last night, they went a very, very, very, improbable 16-4 over the last 3 weeks of the season. I would say impossible, but it happened. I will admit I was worried when I saw that we ended the season with nothing but divisional opponents. Our record in the division wasn’t what one would call stellar. However, going 10-10 or thereabouts should have sealed it for us, and would have if not for that ridiculous amount of wins the Twins managed to pull off. We didn’t collapse like the Mets. Dave Dombrowski didn’t bad deal us out of it. Jim Leyland didn’t manage us out of it. The Twins earned their way in on a logic defying 3 week winning run. End of story.
by Lionsrmycrack on Oct 7, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't agree
The Tigers only need to win 2 or 3 more games in September to wrap things up. They only need to beat Minnesota one more time. They only needed to find a starter other than Nate Robertson to win games for them. They did not do any of these things. If there’s any blame to be had here, it has to start at the top. There’s no way a team that has the division lead from May until the start of October should lose their chance. That’s called a choke.
by Winter on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You still haven't answered my question, Winter
Do you understand how disrespectful this is to your fellow fans, whose interests you claim to be keeping in mind? Or do you just not care, because you think you’re smart for being right?
Do you go to funerals, walk up to the grieving family, and say, “Well, it’s no wonder he died. He ate fried chicken and salami every day, and never exercised. I told you so.”
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I suppose it never occurred to me that some people don’t have anything else to do with their lives other than follow baseball. I don’t consider it disrespectful to the fans of anybody at all. If you’re too wrapped in your team that yesterday’s loss was a “heartbreaker” then I would suggest going outside once in a while….or finding a more constructive hobby.
I don’t think I’ve done anything other than tell the truth and provide examples. If you guys can’t handle that (and it looks like you can’t) then is it my fault for posting it or your fault for not being able to take a step back and say something like, “Oh well, we still have a good team, we’ll get ’em next year”?
Comparing a criticism of a baseball team that lost to rude behavior at a funeral is just so ridiculous. I don’t know if it makes a lot of sense to me to turn a televised recreational activity into something so important that you lose all objectivity when someone says something you disagree with.
by Winter on Oct 7, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's important enough for you to argue, try to downplay your rude behavior and attempt to take a higher "importance in life" ground.
Obviously you have some sort of ego investment in being “right”.
by 13194013 on Oct 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And if your so right Winter
than what is the answer. DD and Co. are the problem? Are they worse than the Randy Smith era? Are they worse than the disfunction that has been the Washington Nationals and their multiple years of 100+ losses and a GM who got chased out of town for screwing players out of their bonuses? (I bring them up because in one of your lucid moments from last June you sighted them as a franchise moving in the right direction)
You do realize every fan of every team can name a 1000 decisions their team has made that they disagreed with. I hated the Shef trade, Kenny Rogers signing, over-paying Maggs, trading Jurrens (my opinion on the day of that trade was that I would have rather dealt Andrew Miller) and so on. But I am also smart enough to realize that I am not being paid to make those decisions. And guess what else, YOU WILL NEVER BE PAID TO WORK IN AN MLB FRONT OFFICE. No matter how right you may have been, you still don’t bring to the table what DD and Leyland bring. They are smarter than you if for no other reason than the fact that they realize there is more that goes into these moves then simplying saying “Rolen can fill in for Inge, lets trade for him.” And not that Ian needs anyone to get his back but how dare you come on here at pass judgement on people for being “heartbroken” over last nights game. You sat back for 4 months waiting to post that and with in hours of the final you throw this garbage up. You want to take about needing to get out a little more, I don’t think I have ever heard of anything more pathetic than that. I believe Ian does a good job running this sight and in terms of bringing up fair points for debate you do a descent job. But, again, you have such a high and mighty tone that in reading your posts I feel like you are talking as if we aren’t aware of the points you are making. WE KNOW AND HAVE DEBATE EVERY POINT YOU MAKE. That these moves have been made does not make us a failure. For definition sake, I submit to you that no franchise is a failure so long as they are making an effort to put together the best team possible. That doesn’t mean you have to agree with every or even any move made but the fact is they made moves with an eye on improving. If you can’t live with that then try stamp collecting.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, go away.
Management took some chances and some of them didn’t work out. Some did. I hope you’re planning on going to Twinkie Town and dropping this kind of crap on them when they are broomed early next week. Have a good time.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He's not wrong
And I definitely thought about his post from earlier this year as the last few games played out. But yeah, to pull the I told you so card the day after the season ends in such a heartbreaking fashion, that’s AJ Pierzynski-level douchenozzlery.
Come back in a month, when we’re better able to deal with the pian.
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by ahtrap on Oct 7, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And it wasn't even "the day after"
We’re talking just over an hour after that game ended.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 7, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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