Pride in Defeat: Twins 6, Tigers 5
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 7, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
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In the days and weeks to come, the collapse will probably be the story. Post-mortem examinations will be performed on the 2009 Detroit Tigers, and plenty of people will point to what they see as the cause of loss. And we have nothing but time in which to go over that stuff.
But for now, hours after Carlos Gomez glided across home plate and then jumped in the air just before his Minnesota Twins teammates swarmed him in celebration, the game should be the story. And maybe, just maybe, the game will be a determining factor in how this season is ultimately perceived. Maybe the little picture deserves to overtake the big picture. Just this once.
Because this game was that good. It had drama. Suspense. Triumph. Despair. Anger. Jubiliation. And unfortunately, for the Tigers and their fans, defeat.
Years from now, many people might still be talking about where they were on October 6, 2009, and the five hours they spent watching the Tigers and Twins fight it out for a division title. And though there is most certainly disappointment in the final result among Tigers fans, there's no need for shame. Under the big spotlight, the Tigers showed what they were made of.
Roar:
Miguel Cabrera took out four days' worth of humiliation on the baseball, crushing it to right-center in the third inning. After weeks of waiting for him to come up big when his team needed him, he did so. Magglio Ordonez continued the revival that looked all but improbable during the summer, hitting a game-tying homer in the eighth inning.
Rick Porcello showed everyone that he grew out of rookie status months ago, striking out eight batters in less than six innings, while allowing only one earned run.
Ryan Raburn became the latest victim of the optical illusion that is the Metrodome roof, losing sight of Michael Cuddyer's sinking liner to left and letting it get past him for a triple. Yet in that very same 10th inning, Raburn redeemed himself by throwing Alexi Casilla out at home plate after he tagged up badly on Nick Punto's shallow fly ball.
Fernando Rodney - the guy who shouldn't ever pitch in a non-save situation, and is never used more than one inning - pitched three innings of relief, throwing 48 pitches. Yes, he ended up allowing two runs, including the game-winner. His name gets the "L" next to it in the boxscore, but when he was the best pitcher the Tigers had in late innings, he gave the Tigers the chances they needed to win the ballgame.
Whimper:
You could feel Tiger Town's collective cringe when Zach Miner took over for Porcello in the sixth. Yet the man had pitched 12 straight scoreless innings before Tuesday night. No one's going to remember that, though. Not after he gave up four hits in less than one inning. Not after Orlando Cabrera's drive to left just snuck over the left-field wall for a two-run homer to give the Twins a 4-3 lead.
The game went far beyond that, but those looking for a scapegoat have a convenient target in Miner.
Jim Leyland will also surely receive plenty of criticism for how he leaned so heavily on Brandon Lyon and Rodney. (Or choosing Miner to take over for Porcello.) Not pinch-hitting for Gerald Laird in either the eighth, 10th, or 12th innings (especially in the 12th, with the bases loaded) is worth revisiting, also. (Laird went 0-for-6, with 10 men left on base.)
And home plate umpire Randy Marsh ought to be a favorite target of Tigers bloggers for years to come. Calling Placido Polanco out on strikes on a pitch in the ninth inning that was almost a foot inside? Or how about refusing to acknowledge that a pitch grazed Brandon Inge's jersey in the 12th? With the bases loaded, that would've forced in a run. Even the Minnesota writers focused on that play.
Perhaps such a game shouldn't have been decided on such a call. But it stinks that Marsh's interpretation was so pivotal.
Okay, that might be a little bit of the bitterness bubbling up. And really, there shouldn't be any of that today.
Comment of the Night:
I've gone from loving baseball to hating baseball to loving it again in a very short amount of time
It’s very confusing
by Dberg
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Congratulations. And thank you.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find myself just staring at the front page of this site a lot.
I don’t want to read through the “Fire Leyland” stuff or who we else we should get rid of now. I’m just bummed. Not slit my wrists depressed, but just bummed. I think I need to stay away from watching or listening to baseball for a while. I may be ready for more about WS time.
Besides, it’s October, the time of brisk fall days, beautiful leaves and crispy apples, so I’ll take advantage of the healing power of nature.
by NCDee on Oct 7, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurricanes hockey...
That’s my fallback.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
6-4 to Los Angeles...
They must have played terrible…
by ZWC11 on Oct 7, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nabby played awful. They fell behind 4-0 in the second before pulling him and fighting back to tie. Gave up an awful goal from behind the net for 5-4 soon after. Empty netter sealed it. But yeah, a most unexpected result.
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just occured to me that there IS a Winter Olympics in 2010
But that’s still months away.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree I’m going to take a break from baseball for awhile. Maybe I’ll be able to remember the good times in November. For now all I remember is the heartbreak (and having the bases loaded in the 12th).
by allthewine on Oct 7, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re-reading the game thread was kinda fun, though
You guys crack me up.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 1:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
am I always amazed
By how much everyone starts cussing when they get really upset or excited – and how quickly everyone returns to complete sentences and proper grammar as soon as it calms down.
Emotional whiplash to the nth degree.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They seem to do better when I swear at them...
to bad it didn’t work last night. =(
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by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love moral victories
Really, they’re great.
by crwi on Oct 7, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm a lurker
and don’t comment much, but I feel as though you’re all my “baseball buddies.” It’s been a great season of sharing the highs and lows. This low is a heartbreaker for sure — thanks for being here.
by TigerMom on Oct 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am a total zombie at work today
I’ve accomplished nothing.
by halo0 on Oct 7, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad I don't have to work again til Saturday...
gives me time to recover (and work on my flamethrower)
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by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FLAMETHROWER!!!
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's going to be epic...
I’m gonna try fo the final assembly tomorrow. Nothing like danger to force my sorrows away. There will be video and it will be shared.
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by madpoopz on Oct 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please
That sounds freakin awesome. I really have no story to compare. I tried to mod a Nerf gun once…
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have lots of fire stories...
propane explosions, stunts with fireworks, making a rocket with a can of deoderant. I’ve done it all and why some of you may ask? Why not?
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by madpoopz on Oct 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I won't ask
I like explosions…
… is something you shouldn’t say when you’ve got my courseload and “recently visited” history on my computer.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
//sigh
I just feel empty. Drained and empty. Drained and empty and sad.
And like I want to punch the first person who talks about choking right in the neck. :(
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 2:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i already yelled at a guy who called the tigers chokers
tore him a new one actually. that felt kinda good…
I Like Pie
by mrsunshine on Oct 7, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What part of missing the playoffs after having a 3 game lead with 4 left...
Makes them no chokers?
by crwi on Oct 7, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the part where everyone says
“If the (team in first) plays just 0.500 baseball, the (team in second) has to have a winning percentage of 0.900 to catch them.”
The Tigers played the same winning pace they did most of the year – the Twins had the insanely good winning percentage that they needed and that almost NO team ever gets.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my friend tried
but he’s an Indians fan. I pointed that out and he shut up pretty quickly.
by handsomerob1 on Oct 7, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah my twitter follows went down by a bit in the past 12 hours
If someone gloated in my face for real… well, they wouldn’t enjoy it.
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ditto that.
Douched out a lot of dicks last night.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 7, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was stupid, but it made me laugh
My professor (who is an Indians fan) explaining the use of the phrase “secondary to” when doing medical assessments:
“The patient is acting goofy secondary to drinking too much alcohol. The patient is experiencing GI bleeding secondary to NSAID use. The Twins beat the Tigers last night secondary to the Twins paying off the umpires.”
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually kind of achy from how drained I feel.
This is like a bad break up. A friend of mine is taunting me about the Tigers but he’s a Seattle fan so I’m just pointing out how bad those franchises have been historically.
Ugh.
by 13194013 on Oct 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is why doing things is good to cheer me up!
by 13194013 on Oct 7, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's an all Seattle fan...
Ask him if he’s excited for the upcoming NBA season.
by ZWC11 on Oct 7, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oof....low blow!
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by ahtrap on Oct 7, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh.
I got in a mild argument on Facebook with my girlfriend’s sister’s boyfriend who thinks he’s Mr. Baseball. He trots out numbers and falls silent.
Then his sister posts like two hours later about how she wishes her sister (my girlfriend) would find someone that respects others.
Oh yeah, baseball causes rifts in the family, yo.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 7, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a cub fan
who endured harassment during the cubs-tigers series this year,
well,
no comment.
by nathew on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I already failed at avoiding the playoffs
wanted to see cliffy go this afternoon so it’s on, muted. :/
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I forgot that I decided I liked Carlos Gonzalez
It’s kind of like Kurt Suzuki. I like him and I don’t have any solid justification for doing so.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bit ago, cliffy singled and stole a base
I remembered what it’s like to be happy watching baseball, for a second. heh
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh.
I’m watching this game too. They just talked about our game, and then showed a graphic with Justin Verlander averaging the most pitches per game.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just thought of this,,
when was that sports illustrated article printed?? I would have to say the jinx was in full affect, I mean what could go wrong totally did….however I dont think it was a total choke, I mean the Twins played out of their frickin mind for the last 20 games of the season 16-4 thats unbelievble..I think we have been cursed the last few years honestly for as many deals that looked like great deals that went terrible for us…think about this, what if we didnt have issues with Bonderman, Zumaya, Washburn…where would they be? I mean Dombroski has made a couple of bad moves but had some terrible terrible luck with some moves that should have been great moves..
by PBURGTIGER on Oct 7, 2009 3:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Especially when you consider that 3 of those 4 losses came courtesy of us
The other one was Zack Greinke.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
any chance the starters will all be healthy next year...
by wiltfongjr on Oct 7, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Verlander, Porcello, and Jackson will be locks.
Armando, Bonderman, Robertson, Dontrelle (eek), Miner, and Ni (maybe) will all have chances at the back end.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Galllllllllarrrrraga: Ugh, probably our best shot at a #5.
Bonderman: STAY IN THE F’N BULLPEN
Robertson: Showed nice promise in late season starts. #4 starter.
Dontrelle: BURN IT BURN IT WITH NAPALM. The longer I don’t have to see that useless shite in an old English D the better.
Miner: Bullpen.
Ni: Bullpen.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 7, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Willis
I believe they will give him every opportunity to make the rotation but if he’s not cutting it by April 1st I think they’ll give him the Sheffield treatment … beats making up reasons to put him on the DL.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Should Bonine get a shot?
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, I'm on the fence
His September went extremely well for him. In 20.1 IP he had a 2.66 ERA and opponents were held to .243 off him. Out of 301 pitches, he was only taken yard twice and there were only two doubles off him.
He only had the one start for us early in the season, which he won against the White Sox on July 24th. In 6.0 IP, he surrendered only three runs — but two of them went yard. In 81 pitches he threw 53 strikes while facing 21 batters. It was shaky but at the time it’s what he needed.
When he started for us in September (16th, 25th and 30th) he had about the same success. 2.70 ERA, opponents hitting .254 and he did tune his groundballs up a bit more.
If you believe in a groundball-style starter, than Bonine isn’t your guy. While he showed some marginal improvement between July and September (.62 to .70 GB ratio) he is typically a popup guy which can cause a whole lot of issues with a team that sacrifices the night away (Angels, Twins come to immediate mind).
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 7, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great stuff
I see Bonine as a guy who has earned a token opportunity at a starters job similiar to what Miner got last year. If he shows up and out pitches all other contenders then earned it but I certainly don’t give it to him. I guess my point though is that he deserves to be given a shot.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me know
if you see anything here that screams “productive major league starter”. I’m thinking no. And he’s also nearing 30, so I don’t think he’s getting any better.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't disagree
but I think he has earned a shot allong with the other guys mentioned. If talent wins out that Bonine won’t be in the rotation. If the guys with talent flame out again I want him ready to give us the best he’s got.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't
He’s a good long man- I’d put him in Miner’s job of mopping up mess maybe.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His minor league numbers aren't fantastic
Not like he’d be the first, though. Have to remember who his competition will be (at this time… remember we’re still like two months out from winter meetings!) and what he’s going up against.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another perfect day, for me to hide away from all the sights and sounds
Song’s called “Another Perfect Day”, by a band called Fates Warning….love the song, and it encapsulates how I’m feeling today, right down to the “The Sun is overhead, but I can’t see past the clouds in my eyes” part.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAlaG4sVUEE
lyrics available here: http://fateswarning.info/l_fwx.shtml#fwx4
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by ahtrap on Oct 7, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
haven't a clue what the person who put the vid together was thinking
since it’s happy images set to a sad song…but it does have cute kittens in it….
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by ahtrap on Oct 7, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I don't have MLB.tv and live in St. Louis,
I usually follow the games on GameCast or GameDay while going to BYB for the commentary. You guys and gals have helped fill in for the lack of visual and aural information. A great site and a great season. Thanks…
I’m hoping that the Tigers:
a) Re-sign Polanco. PLEASE. I know he’s old, but he’s so valuable. Perhaps Sizemore could be a Santiago-type player next year???
b) Finally, figure out LF. Guillen had his moments at the end, but looked pretty bad the last few days.
c) Finally figure out SS. Everett was pretty awful at the plate, with a few exceptions, and his glove wasn’t that good to warrant his inclusion in the lineup on a steady basis.
d) Give Avila the chance to win the starting C job. I know Laird threw out runners exceptionally well, but a good off-season and spring might help narrow the gap defensively for AA. I hope.
e) I’m torn about Rodney. Lyon’s development of a cut fastball might mean he can take over as closer, but who knows. I’d rather move on and save the money we might have to spend on Rodney on someone else, I think.
I’m also optimistic that Maggs will have a good year next year. He looked to be getting his swagger back in the last month. From a more cynical standpoint, next year will be a contract year for him, so perhaps there’s extra motivation. Looking forward to Porcello not being on as much of a pitch count and looking forward to Verlander becoming EVEN better. Also hoping Granderson makes some important strides hitting-wise before next April.
Wondering what you all might want to see happen in the off-season. I know it’s a bit premature, but I think we learned a lot about this team and what worked and what didn’t.
Sorry for the long post…just finding it difficult to deal with the loss of the Tigers as a steady presence in my life at the moment.
by BarbaroGarbeyc1984 on Oct 7, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to put into words...
You know I spout off on here and bang my chest and say things like “oh yeah, I played baseball and blahblalbhah”…
That game last night was the game that all baseball players live to be a part of, make no mistake of it. As a manager, if your players aren’t tuned up for that game, you know which guys you get rid of first in the offseason.
We all have our moments as Tigers’ fans (especially this year) where we criticize the individual players and we complain about the key moments of the games… I know I do, and I’ll admit that I hate seeing the following players hit in key sports:
1. Thames
2. Inge
3. Laird
4. Don Kelly/Josh Anderson
5. Everett
Obviously Thames didn’t play, and Anderson is on another team but the other 4 came up big in 1 way or another. All of the players did something to help the team out, which is something that I haven’t seen in any of the games I’ve watched. If it wasn’t Laird calming Porcello down it was Inge saving a run in extra innings with a stop. If it wasn’t Inge’s big time double to score a run in extras it was Don Kelly with a gapper after he pinch ran for a much better hitter earlier in the game!
This team did not choke, and I’ll tell you why. When you have only 2 of your starting 5 clicking down the stretch whether it from injuries or fatigue, and you’ve got only 1 true power hitter in the lineup you’re going to struggle. This team played with more heart in last night’s game than I’ve seen any other Tiger teams play.
Now when I say more heart, I don’t mean “better”. The Twins beat the Tigers, and you know for as much hype in the media them being without Morneau is getting.. everyone fails to realize that without Morneau 1/3 of their lineup still hit for solid average, power and RBI. Add that to the speed at the top and bottom of the lineup and the managerial style of Gardenhire, it’s a deadly mix.
I’m not surprised the Twins made this run… as much as I hate to say it. I hated playing teams like the Twins. It’s easy to play against teams like the 1995 Indians, you either give up a homer or they strikeout. It’s hard to play teams like this year’s Twins.
Doesn’t mean I think they’ll win anything of significance… they’re just a solidly built team.
Your move Dombrowski…
by Boney on Oct 7, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can’t wait for spring training!
by PBURGTIGER on Oct 7, 2009 5:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
TBS is showing an extended segment on Inge
between the games. It’s putting ESPN to shame.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm boycotting MLB
but I would like to see that
by MrPants20 on Oct 7, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it wouldn't bother me too much
but having just moved to Philadelphia from Lansing I got on the subway early this afternoon and was packed into a car loaded with excited Phillies fans heading down to the game. I felt the longing of wanting to be fully invested in the playoffs. I heard one guy talk about the game last night and say he’d never been so drawn in to a game he really didn’t care that much about. That made me feel a bit better, but I still just feel empty. I guess that’s what we get as baseball fans. You invest 6 months of your life over 162 games and to get that close and then wake up the next morning and it’s gone, well it’s sort of soul crushing.
by Gene LaMont on Oct 7, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the Tiger fan who has come down with something today?
I really think all the stress and emotion of the last few days, and last night x 1000, took out my immune system.
Hope its not H1N1.
by Dale S on Oct 7, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm still way to bitter to let this one go
I loved how the tigers came back and tied it, I can’t let go that Inge got hit by a pitch with the bases loaded and only 1 out. AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH that call was bull shit and I don’t know why it’s not a bigger deal with the media. Very angry still!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by msivits on Oct 7, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I decided Monday
that with everything going on with Miggy that I would be okay regardless of what happens Tuesday. Then Tuesday turned into argueably the best baseball game I have ever been a witness to and I believed several times we had it and was heartsick when we couldn’t put them away. I don’t hold too much ill-will towards Miggy. He screwed up big time but he’s the best position player on our team and he needs to get some personal things straightened out. Hopefully he gets some counseling and the public embarassment of what happened will hopefully sink in and by spring training we may get a more mature and more focused Miggy. I am probably naive but there is no denying this franchise goes with Miggy while he is under the giant contract right now and looking at things long term it’s probably better he gets to fix his family life now instead of being torn apart by Yankee fans. It also helps that he showed up last night and did his part in trying to help us win. If you gave me the choice I would rather be in a game thread right now talking it up about how much I hate the Yankee’s, but if yesterdays result can provide Miggy with an opportunity to get his personnal life straightened out then it’s not all bad (just mostly bad).
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 7, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We can still talk about how you hate the Yankees...
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know what to do with myself.
Where is my baseball?
by wepri31 on Oct 7, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am watching the Twins/Yankees
and shaking with anger. Also, fuck Time Warner Cable as the guide screen still says “Minnesota/Detroit vs. New York Yankees”. Twist the knife TWC, twist the knife.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tried to root for the twins.
But am secretly pleased that they are losing.
by rcpratt on Oct 7, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they ever had a prayer of winning this game
after getting spent last night—-but hopefully they’ll right the ship for the next battle.
Go Twins…..and leave Punto in New York when you’re done.
by wepri31 on Oct 7, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And also...
Chip Caray hasn’t gotten any better since last night. I was hoping that maybe somebody fisted him on the way to the ballpark.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I wasn't going to watch, I really wasn't ...
But I’m killing time waiting until the Dodgers game starts. They are very nice at True Blue LA and said I can join the bandwagon as long as I am a fan of Edwin Jackson. :)
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 8:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Can the Twins *and* the Yankees lose?
I was rooting for the Yankees, but every time they pan to the bandwagon celebrity fans, it makes me want to root for the Twins.
by okie for michigan on Oct 7, 2009 9:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm rooting for a meteor impact
I would cheer for the Twins if they hadn’t knocked us out, but I can’t cheer for the Yankees – it’s a difficult situation.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend asked me who I'm rooting for in the ALDS
My answer: meteor strike.
by 13194013 on Oct 7, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ron Darling is a babbling idiot.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
At least when he's talking
Chip Caray isn’t. So there’s that.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
better if both had their lips superglued together
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like, together
as in kissing? That would be funny.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking each separately!
Top to bottom so they can’t talk.
But that would be funny. :D
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else want to see...
CC literally devour Punto during tonight’s game? I know they took CC out of the game already and he’s on the bench, but maybe if Punto gets a little too close…you never know.
And I’m very much hoping for a Yankees sweep. Sure I hate the Yankees like any other sane individual, but I could never, ever muster an ounce of support for the Twins after denying us a division title for the second time on the last day of the season in four years. They are to me undoubtedly the Tigers biggest rival over recent years (yes, even more than the Sox) and I will treat them as such. I would take that meteor strike though.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
agreed
As much as I hate the Yankees, I hate it even more that the Twins are there instead of us.
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^ ^ ^ this
Should have been us. I’d like to see Verlander pitch against that lineup and see what he could do – also Porcello.
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've seen what JV can do against that lineup
good things. Very good things. And if Porcello had the stuff he had last night, he’d have mowed ’em down too.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good things should be seen over and over, though
//sigh
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We honestly should have won by that point
The two things that upset me the most (that were within our control and not idiot Umpire Randy Marsh) was Raburn turning that single into a triple in the 10th and Laird swinging at a pitch two inches above the ground that would have been the go-ahead run
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know how I feel?
Like an alcoholic, but there’s no booze. Like a dope attack, with no drugs. Where are my Tigers???
I just want to cry!!!!!!!! :(
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and BTW,
I hate watching this damn game. I hate the Yankees and Twins.
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought I wasn't going to watch any more baseball
But the season ended too suddenly and I need to ease myself out of it. :(
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Twins I hate simply based upon physical appearance:
-Jon Rauch
-Nick Punto
-Jason Kubel
-Joe Nathan
-Orlando Cabrera
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot to add
the rest of the 40 man roster. And entire minor leage system and Dominican training academy. And Kirby Puckett.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Brett Favre
He may not be a Twin, but he plays in the same damn building and that’s good enough for me.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder why it is I can name very AL GM in my head
except the Twins’.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Smith?
Terry Ryan left…
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cuddyer
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Joe Mauer simply because he exudes an aura of boringness about him
Every time I see him face us, I’d fall asleep if not for the fact that I’m terrified of him doing damage.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mauer is OK
In fact I have nothing against the Twins, personally. If they played in, say, the NL West they’d be a fine group. But as currently constituted, I want to see them all in “Final Destination 4 – When The Metrodome Strikes”.
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Joe Mauer
But I have to hate him because he’s a Twin. I can’t wait until he leaves for New York or Boston.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really don't know why I'm watching this
Glutton for punishment, I suppose
by ChrisDTX on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm waiting for the Dodgers
But yeah, this is like picking at a scab.
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's gonna happen if the Dodgers start and the Yankees game isn't over yet?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodger coverage on TNT and then will switch back to TBS
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just getting ready for the first pitch ...
Now!
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised Wolfe is starting game 1.
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that surprised me
Especially against Carpenter. But then again, Billingsley has struggled recently and Kuroda is injured. I’m not sure about Kershaw.
Go Dodgers anyways.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Kuroda still hurt from the bean ball?
Or is it something else now?
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't know
I just saw a headline saying Kuroda would not be available for the NLDS.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kershaw is starting game 2
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
good. and Billingsley?
He was great his last start!
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back to the future
Watching CC Sabathia throw tonight a thought occurred about next year’s needs. But rather than continue the earlier thread on next year’s SP’s, I thought instead I’d toss this out there.
With JV, Edwin and Porcello clearly returning with solid spots, I don’t see that the last two spots are necessarily the #4 and #5 in the rotation. We need a LHP who can serve as a #2 or #3 SP. The AL Central is getting to be filled up with excellent lefty bats: Mauer, Kubel, Morneau, Span, Punto (yes, admit it – he killed us), Pierzynski, Sizemore, Choo, Asdrubal Cabrera, Hafner, Gordon, Teahen and DeJesus. The White Sox and Twins are able to match up against these guys (obviously, not including their own but also including Tiger lefty bats).
I would argue that Brian Duensing was one of the Twins’ main keys to winning the division this year. He was a solid lefty starter they desperately needed after Liriano returned from injury as a fraction as effective as he was in 2006. Danks and Buehrle are great, and now the White Sox have Peavy and Garcia to go with Floyd to balance out. They are EXTREMELY dangerous going into next year. The Royals don’t have much else past Greinke even from the right side, perhaps Meche and Tejeda, but definitely no lefties. The Indians have Laffey… remember him? Tribe “Pitcher Of the Year” with about as many BB’s (57) as K’s (59) in 121 IP, and a sweet 4.44 ERA?
The Tigers do not have a guy that they can use to keep AL Central lineups honest during the unbalanced schedule, let alone during a critical three-game series. A trade would be necessary, but we don’t have a farm system or quality bats to give up. And there’s no way on earth we would be getting Cliff Lee from the Phillies or signing Randy Johnson. Jarrod Washburn was the right move by DD, but his injury could prove to be too much to overcome at 36. It’s plausible that Casey Crosby is in the mix for a starting job, but it’s not likely he’s ahead of Edwin or Porcello. That’s not a bad thing, just a fact that needs to be remembered for what level of pitcher we should be aiming to get.
So what to take from this? Nothing, really. The Sox and Twins will be tough again next year, and without a LHP worth using in the middle of the rotation the Tigers will be hard-pressed to keep teams from banging on our lesser righty pitchers 40% of the games.
by TigerFanInCleveland on Oct 7, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Punto didn't really kill us from a batting average standpoint (hit under .200 against Tigers pitching)
We just couldn’t throw strikes to him
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if I knew of a stat that showed "effective foul balls"
he would be a league leader. Dude knows how to draw walks, make pitchers make mistakes, and generally be “annoying”, which is another way of saying “effective.”
by TigerFanInCleveland on Oct 7, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could he pull the same act as Porcello?
I think Crosby spent the entire year in low A ball.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if that would be prudent with Crosby
Porcello was a rare exception and we’ll see how next year works out
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
No. No. No. No. No.
He’s not ready- good fastball but bad secondary stuff- and his FB isn’t a sinking one, it’s a bat-missing one. The problem is he needs another offering to fool hitters. He’ll be a good one, but it’s going to take time.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you for that!
i thought you’d have a take on this, ddb. That solidifies my point that we are definitely short a major piece of the puzzle. Where to get it??
by TigerFanInCleveland on Oct 7, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FA
What’s Carl Pavano doing?
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone heard about Dombrowski's press conference tomorrow?
I wonder what time it is and if there will be tv coverage?
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it just the standard end-of-the-year thing?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That will be unpleasant for all involved.
DD ain’t much fun for the press.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's gotta be more pleasant than last year, though
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Given Weekend At Miggy's...
I sincerely doubt it.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, at work tonight...
We used to have a pharmacist that was a Tigers fan. He and I would talk about them all the time, and it was cool because he would log on to ESPN and we’d follow games together. But he got transferred a couple months ago, leaving me the lone Tigers fan in the pharmacy (We’ve also got a Red Sox fan and a Yankees fan). So while I was at work tonight, who should happen to call for a transfer? At least I got to commiserate with him for a few minutes.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good story
I don’t have squat at work to talk Tigers with. Bunch of Tribe slappies who don’t know a sport that doesn’t involve an end zone.
by TigerFanInCleveland on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me either. :(
That’s why I come on here alot at work. Once the games start, I have trouble commenting because you guys are always so ahead of mlb.tv
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were a couple of times where I could only listen on Gameday Audio
It was really weird hanging around the Game Threads during those games because you don’t realize how many comments relate to the TV broadcast itself until you can’t see it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try working in an office full of White Sox fans.
With a guy in the next office who is a former Twins season ticket holder.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care if you hate the Yankees.
But you have to like Mariano Rivera.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Greatest 1-inning closer of all time
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you think they would give him 3 if they have an extra inning game?
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been told by a reliable source that he loses a lot of effectiveness if he pitches more than one inning
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Rodney would have gone out for the third inning
if he was under contract next year, effectiveness not being taken into consideration at all.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I stuill do not understand that one!
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Excellent distinction.
Sutter, Goose, and Fingers would often go 2 or 3.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I <3 Mo.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brendan Ryan
Anyone else think the striped socks and red shoes make his feet look enormous?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rivera just walked Punto
He walks 12 people the ENTIRE season, but somehow manages to walk Punto tonight. WOW.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hate Punto
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 7, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The CDC really needs look into Punto Syndrome.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not like the guy is a big power hitter
(Or maybe he is and no one knows it cuz they keep walking him)
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Punto's power is irresistible
He uses the dard side of the force to get walks.
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
String
loved your fan post. Thanks
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Dodgers, that didn't look good
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no, it didn't
And there isn’t a dome there, either. :(
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belliard looked like crap there.
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Judging by the monotonous reaction by the announcer,
one would think he caught the ball.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's Dick Stockton...
the same guy who insisted on calling Arramis Ramirez….Rodrigo Ramirez over and over and over.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that in last year's playoffs?
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last two years.
The Cubs fans get a big kick out of it.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, never realized Molina and Cabrera looked THAT much alike
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not in Michigan...so I have to ask...
Is everyone calling for Leyland’s head? My brother said that’s all over radio and TV.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe that's the big announcement tomorrow
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm assuming it's going to be mostly about Miggy.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, Weekend at Miggy's will certainly be reviewed.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not expecting him to get the axe, are you?
That seems a little unreasonable.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not at all.
My brother made it sound that way, that pretty much everyone was up in arms.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just to be clear, I was referring to Miggy, not Leyland
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Miggy may be going to a 12 step program....
but he will be wearing the Olde English D for some time yet.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looked pretty visually upset last night in that interview
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Beck says he broke down into tears once the television reporters left
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't generally feel bad for professional athletes...
but for some reason I felt horribly for Miggy, Raburn, and Ingey.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
miggy's international
it wouldn’t have been a draft, but an international free agent signing.
but yes Dombrowski was in charge at the time
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually no...
He got signed at 16, no draft…
But yes, he went after him… Cabrera chose the ultimately chose the Marlins because at the time they had A LOT of Hispanics on the team.
by ZWC11 on Oct 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope not
Leyland did a fine job with the personnel he had in my opinion, Dombrowski needs to atone for Huffburn
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
It might be all over the hyperventilating over-reacting media, but he just signed an extension and it isn’t as though he had a fantastic lineup to use.
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's no one available that would be better.
I hate the “Let’s fire this guy” stuff with zero thought regarding the replacement.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about Wedge?! Or maybe we could steal Hillman from the Royals!
Kidding kidding
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
abduct Greinke
Toss him in a car trunk and smuggle him into the state. :)
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd just leave him there after he decided to pitch to Mauer on Saturday
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he can learn from his error of judgement
Verlander – Greinke – Porcello
//shivers
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Robertson - Bonderman - Willis
//runs away crying
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's okay! it's okay!
//pats ryan on shoulder
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want Acta
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the morons calling into The Ticket (Detroit sports talk) keep yammering away about it
One of the guys from that station said on Twitter last night, maybe 20 minutes after our game went final, that he was already getting flooded with emails calling for Leyland’s head.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Way to not protect your baby in the stands,
random woman where that home-run was hit.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
from Beck's latest article...
Hopefully we learn from this," second baseman Placido Polanco said after Tuesday’s loss. “Every game is important. Learn from our mistakes.”
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hope Sizemore shares that mentality
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you don't think they re-sign him?
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD will offer him a one year deal.
Polly will take a 2-3 year deal from someone else. Can’t hold Sizemore forever.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate this shit that we don't know who will be with us next year
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
//runs away screaming
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, they are too enamored with Nick Punto.
I’m kidding, of course. I hope.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Polly's a type A.
Either we sign him for two year, or get the draft picks through denied arbitration. Anything else would be disappointing.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wil make his decision a lot harder
so he may accept arbitration rather than risk it.
I don’t think the Tigers are interested in giving him a multi-year deal but that might push him toward being around next season.
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they jettison Razor....or Opie....
and give Sizemore the part time infielder gig
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just about to reply to Kurt saying the same thing.
It’s too bad Sizemore isn’t a shortstop. Either way, I’d like Sizemore to have a year of part-time playing to learn from a veteran like Polanco.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That'd be the ideal situation in my mind
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts on that
They’d like their infield backup to be able to paly both infield positions. That’s going to work against Sizemore even if Santiago is the starting shortstop.
On the other hand I don’t expect they’ll want to sign a SS to a multiyear deal, as high as they are on Iorg for a year or two from now
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore can't play SS
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kurt,
do you know when DD is having the press conference tomorrow?
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not specifically
the tigers never tell me anything that is actual sports news, they prefer to try to get free PR, which I never give. But it’s in the morning.
And I expect it is simply an end-of-year thoughts rather than him having to talk to all the local press individually.
Though maybe McClendon could be fired, it wouldn’t shock me.
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it the norm to have
a press conference post season, unless there is some sort of news to talk about?
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD has had kind of an "end-of-season" media session (which is what the front office is calling this)
At least, he did last year. No real earth-shaking announcements were made there.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that the one where they fired Chuck?
I don’t recall.
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's "media availability"
No press conference, which means no major announcements. Lloyd may be safe for now.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Will it be online?
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Offer him Arb
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dodgers are hitting Carpenter hard
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just realized...
I really want Minnesota to get swept by the Yankees, and here’s my theory.
If they get bounced early the pain will most likely go away early… I mean really, if the Twins get blown out by the Yankees, then we stood no chance. That would really ease the pain.
by ZWC11 on Oct 7, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hee hee hee regarding hockey
Phoenix beat the Penguins 3-0 in Pittsburgh. :D
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by Baroque on Oct 7, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the trouble is
Porcello was our last really high draft pick from the era of suck when we got a lot of high ones. So, now our farm is weak (or so it seems to me), and we’re paying loads of money to guys who are injured for half the year, or guys like Willis who made 10 million dollars to do literally nothing all year…
That reminds me…is there any possible way to rid of Willis?
by corbettkt on Oct 7, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I heard rumors that they were gonna release Willis to open up a spot on the 40-man roster to protect someone from Rule 5?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was shocked why Sheffield was realesed.
But I won’t be shocked when Willis gets the same treatment.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if they release him
won’t they have to pay his salary? I mean, I’m all for opening up a spot, but is the slot worth however much he has left on his contract?
by corbettkt on Oct 7, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Dontrelle Willis is worthless. Cut him and you don’t have to spend money on rehabbing him for two starts before shutting him down for the year.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the tigers actually have like 5 guys I would really hate to see exposed to the Rule 5 draft, so I’m pretty certain Willis will have to be DFA’d off the 40 man at some point in the next month. The timing, no clue.
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
From the list I saw from TigsTown.com, these guys are all eligble to be drafted. I put a
- next to my must-keeps, & next to hate-to-lose
Strieby *
Sizemore *
Dlugach &
Ciriaco
Boesch *
Scram &
Marte *
Sborz
Wise
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and make no mistake, the tigers aren't going to be able to save them all
so I think something will be lost
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and actually, don't need to protect marte
i was thinking of someone else, my bad!
by MackAveKurt on Oct 7, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore and Streiby will be protected for sure
Marte I can see, maybe Dlugach or Scram.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cleaning out my DVR because it's getting full
there’s so many old tigers weeklies and winning post-gamers and a couple nationally televised games on it. :(
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lame, I know, but...
I still have a whole bunch of VHS tapes with games from the 2007 and 2008 seasons on them. And the thing is most of the tapes are unlabled, so I’m finding them at random a lot (you have to understand, I come from a family that tapes EVERYTHING). I know I should get rid of them, but I just can’t bring myself to do it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could never do it
i would find a way to get the tapes on to DVD.
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno what to do with the stuff I am keeping
like the game in anaheim I was at that was on ESPN, a couple post-gamers that were big wins. good thing my DVR has a big hard drive, I guess.
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a way
to get them from a DVR to an external hard drive. So if you really wanted to keep them, you could transfer them and throw the external hard drive in a shoe box under your bed (or something).
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured something like that.
lazy… I really need to look into it. thanks
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I keep meaning to do that
I have a VCR that’s has an input to my computer, but the picture quality of the captured video is really crappy and I haven’t figured out how to make it better.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
I guess I’ll hit the treadmill and watch the Dodgers. Hopefully the site will be around over the off season for us to chat. Have a good night everyone
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 7, 2009 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DeRosa made a play there...
that makes me appreciate Inge. Just horrendous.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Redbirds playing as if their minds are still on the plane.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sucks for carpenter
I thought I heard them say the dodgers have never beat him
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes's 5-0
against the Dodgers this season
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thought so. it's still early though I guess
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if he can leave them loaded
right now that would really help
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shit. found the post gamer of rick's tenth win
I’m totally gonna start crying
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
did you get the link I sent you
of Rick’s 2009 year?
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm I don't think so? where did you send it?
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just in FB chat.
its only pics but I know that you are similar to me about some things…. :o)
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh!! I remember now, yes I did
sorry, I’ve been so out of it today. I was looking at a bunch of different photos on there too. thanks!
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear a really weird sound effect in the background
It sounds like someone dialing a rotary telephone (yes, I know I’m not supposed to know what those are).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But I do
enjoy watching Albert Pujols play baseball
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if they would quit
IBB’ing him DAMMIT
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Albert Pujols is a great player...
…but I’m still rooting for the Dodgers. If the Cards win this series, I’ll probably root for them in the NLCS.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
I was just thinking the same exact thing
by Detroitchik on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, God, it's Jeff Weaver
When I was wondering if there were any Tiger alums on the postseason teams, that’s not quite what I meant.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bear in mind, I don't remember his Tiger days at all
I mostly remember the Tigers pummeling him in every game they saw him EXCEPT the World Series.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blech. I'm gonna watch some stuff I have recorded and get to bed early
night guys
by allikazoo on Oct 7, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow, it's ONLY the fourth inning?
It feels like it should be the sixth or seventh.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hahahahaha
I like the Jeopardy sound effect there. It made me laugh.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, good.
I’m not crazy and hearing things.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's one stadium (I think it's the Marlins)...
…where when someone on the other team strikes out, they play that sound effect of when someone loses on The Price is Right.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like when the mountaineer falls off the cliff...
in that ridiculous game.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cliff Hangers
I made it to a taping of the Price is Right in ’07 right before Barker retired, it was a blast.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure who these guys in gray are.
They don’t look like the Cards to me.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 11:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Each team has left NINE men on base through the first four innings
And you thought WE squandered.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tigers Threaten But Do Not Score
Should be the motto of this season
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, by the way, our old nemesis Angel Hernandez is in the umpiring crew for the Rockies-Phillies series
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Add Randy Marsh to that nemesis list
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, Randy Marsh is our "new" nemesis
Leyland’s still fuming over that.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Admittedly, I haven't seen a lot of Chris Carpenter (and I totally don't remember him in the World Series)
…but it seems to me like he’s kinda struggling out there.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was thinking of this when the Twins Yanks game was on...
How will Mauer look in pinstripes?
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Better than he would in a Twins uniform
At least with the Yankees, he’d be less of a thorn in our side. In fact, he may be able to help us out by beating the other teams in our division.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think there's any way they can re-sign the guy.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all comes down to Mauer's choice of
money or the home team.
by StringTheory on Oct 7, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would think...
the Yanks will bring an overwhelming offer. The only reason they might not is that Mauer eventually needs to move out from behind the plate. He’s got maybe 3 years left back there before the toll gets too great on his body.
by rook34 on Oct 7, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What makes you think 3 years?
His huge body?
by StringTheory on Oct 8, 2009 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm kind of torn
Anything that would weaken the Twins is fine by me, but I also don’t like the idea of Boston or NY buying another huge player. He’s proven himself as someone that will regularly bat over .300, but I’m interested to see if he’ll keep up his power numbers. I’m still not convinced that he’ll be somebody to regularly hit over 20 HRs. He had 12 of his 28 HRs in his monster first 29 games. In the next 109 he had 16 HRs. I just don’t necessarily envision him as a regular 30+ HR, 100 RBI guy along with his sterling AVG. If he has a season next year though anywhere near to this one he will be in line for a Cabrera/Teixeira type deal. Aside from NY and Boston, I’d also expect some interest from the LA teams (he’d fit in great with the Angels) and San Fran.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, I'm gonna switch over to Gameday Audio before I go to bed
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 7, 2009 11:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, trying to fall asleep in complete silence last night didn't work
I got too used to having a game on in the background.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ack...I can't get Gameday Audio to load
It’s like my computer is in mourning and has gone on strike or something. The last time I loaded this player, it was the video of the Twins and Tigers taking batting practice.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still can't get it to load
I had to load Gameday Audio on my iPod
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great
Russell Martin HBP with the bases loaded…just rub it in, why don’t you?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thought exactly
came over here to let out a giant “ARRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH” after seeing that…..
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by ahtrap on Oct 8, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear...
They need to make jerseys out of that mesh they use for sabre fencing. Contact can be picked up electronically with those.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I swear...
They need to make jerseys out of that mesh that they use for jackets in sabre fencing. You can pick up contact electronically with it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
Not sure where the second “I swear” came from…
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was happening to folks at Twinkietown tonight
SBNation quirk, methinks
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by ahtrap on Oct 8, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you could send away one Tiger player, personnel or otherwise this off-season...
…who would it be?
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With regard to money or without?
Cuz if it’s without, probably Dontrelle cuz he just seems to be least likely to help us (I’d still feel bad; he seems like a great guy).
With regard to money…um…Freddy Dolsi? Yeah, that’s pretty weak. Maybe Nate Robertson? I don’t know, outside of those, I don’t really have a problem with anyone else.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's go WITH regard to money
Everyone will just answer Willis if we’re considering money.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and really? Nate?
I thought his little string of starts at the end of the season, post-surgery, showed a bit of hope for Ole Goggle Eyes.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to come up with someone a little more high profile than Freddy Dolsi
Obviously, I am grasping at straws.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do we do, though? Field the same team next year? Let the expiring contracts go, promote kids?
I feel like the 2009 Tigers are a few tweaks away from becoming something great, but I’m having trouble finding what those tweaks might be.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a different spin on the question:
If you could pick one player that you would want to keep, but you were able to significantly reduce the dollar value of their contract, who would it be? And the decrease in pay has to be justifiable. In that case, Nate would come to mind very quickly.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Maggs
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I would immediately cut Magglio's contract down by $10 million
And the end result would be extremely generous considering the market right now
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
D-Train
Unfortunate situation, but I can’t be super upset for a guy who ended up cashing in on $30 million despite his problems.
I also liked Everett and his consistent defense, but I wouldn’t be opposed to Marco Scutaro for the right price.
As long as Laird is signed for under 3.5 million I’m fine with him staying.
Thames could leave to make room for…JIM THOME.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking about that a bit
There seems to be no shortage of DHs on the free agent market this offseason.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed.
Marcus, we’ve loved you a long time buddy, but we’ve got to get a solid batting DH in there.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he hit 1 HR in his last two months
and he is not in that lineup for his average
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't really say I agreed with the move
I don’t know. I can see both sides and I can’t really come to a decision about it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It'd just be ironic considering the way he's hammered us his entire career
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would LOVE to see Thome in an old English D
That man has got power and could teach these kids a thing or two about crushing hearts.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matsui on the cheap wouldn't be bad
But I would not say no to some Thome.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that wouldn't be bad either
Don’t think the Yankees are ready to depart with him yet, though.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too many dudes
Not enough slots. Matsui is LF, Swish is RF, Posada will be DH’ing a lot. So it might not be in their interests to bring him back.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is no shortage of closers as well
Which will help in either securing Lyon at a decent price or targeting someone else
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Lyon really the future of closing in Detroit?
What do you do with Rodney, let him walk and become someone else’s problem? Or do you convert him back into a setup man to team with Bobby Seay now that Lyon is out of that mix?
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let Rodney walk
Bullpen:
Lyon (Closer)
Perry
Seay
Ni
Dolsi? If not, someone else from the farm system
Bonderman/Galaragga for long relief
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a bad lineup
I wonder if Bonderman would take a relief role. I really hope he will, because I think he shines there. Perry is still a bit shaky for my liking. Could snag up a few FAs, there’s tons of them.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 1:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arbitration to Rodney and Lyon
If one acceps, problem solved. If not, oh well. Go in-house.
Closer role is overhyped- see Franklin, Ryan.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 2:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yarp
Which is why we let both Rodney and Lyon walk.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm inclined to say let Rodney walk and re-sign Lyon if he can be had for a reasonable price
I think that’s a fair compromise.
And I will tell you this: The fewer Mud Hens we have playing in Detroit next year, the better. Those guys struck out WAY too much.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why you offer em arb
And as far as the K’s- methinks we need a new hitting development coach in the minors.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it system-wide?
I don’t really know much about Erie, Lakeland, or West Michigan.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn close
The only players with anything approaching patience that I know of are Avila and Sizemore.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I did know that hitting with runners in scoring position was pretty much a system-wide problem
Toledo was probably worse than Detroit at it, and I know Lakeland had its issues, too.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sort of.
Raburn certainly looked good. But yeah, guys like Dlugach need to stay down on the farm. Ramierez looks like he still needs some time down there too.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get a lot of Mud Hens coverage around here
Those guys struck out so many times it was ridiculous. Ian Snell struck out 17 Mud Hens in a game.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That doesn't surprise me
I do follow the Hens a bit, and for the most part they really are just awful. It’s really starting to show after this last season how weak our farm really is.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not an expert on prospects, by any means
I do keep hearing that our strength is in relief pitching but that most of those guys are still in the low minors.
Plus we have/had a few guys like Casey Fien, Chris Lambert (who I know is gone now), and Brent Clevlen who played fairly well at Toledo but couldn’t translate it to the big league level.
Speaking of Clevlen, he’s probably seen his last days in our system, hasn’t he?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fien is good!
Jeez… he hasn’t gotten a fair shot yet.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Fien pitching an inning during a televised spring traning game in '08
He impressed me then, but he has yet to find it on a consistent basis at the big league level. I’m not saying he won’t. I’m just saying it hasn’t happened quite yet.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's getting better
Turner, Oliver and Fields adds some pretty damn good talent.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Question
When is the deadline for offering arbitration to our impending FAs?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 7:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pretty sure it's Dec. 1st
It’s usually just before the winter meetings.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/schedule/important_dates.jsp
Dec. 1st for arb.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just a thought....
but we’re gonna need some open threads during the offseason or at least an overflow thread for this one.
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by madpoopz on Oct 8, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Weekly transaction threads would be pretty sweet
Maybe something to keep us up to date with major moves in the Central too?
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's a good idea...
something to keep discussion alive at least.
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by madpoopz on Oct 8, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll do prospect updates here and there too
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I feel a bit like a refugee hanging out in this thread!
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus it's starting to get a little unwieldy to look at on mobile
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good lord
Why would you do that to yourself?! :P
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not on mobile right now
But when you’re in a classroom and there’s no computers around and you’re wondering if someone’s responded to something you said…
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh, I know what you mean.
That’s why I picked up a netbook ;)
Well, I got it for notes in class. But it’s been used just as much to track games on GameDay.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just wish I had a wifi connection at work
I ended up following Tuesday’s game on a coworker’s cell phone (a coworker who happens to be a Red Sox fan).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes!
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I'm the lone Tiger fan remaining in the pharmacy
We also have a Yankees fan who likes the Tigers and hates the Indians.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm the only one who cares about baseball at work really...
me and one other lady, but I hardly ever work with her so my discussion is limited to things most 20 year old girls like to talk about. (for reference, I’m a 20 year old male. Most things 20 year old girls talk about confuse me. I understand 50 year old women better.)
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by madpoopz on Oct 8, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a nice advantage
I’m a student at a blue-collar workplace in Lansing, MI. So everyone there is pretty sports-nuts, even the women. I can talk there a bit and not get blank stares but my more in-depth stuff usually gets glossy eyes after a bit.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a 26 year old female and most of the people in my class are five years younger than me...
…so there is a disconnect there. There’s a bigger age variance at work, but most of the sports fans there would rather talk about football.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD finally speaks on Miggy
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4542460
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