Dave Dombrowski Speaks on Miguel Cabrera, 2009 Season
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 8, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
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[Updated at 3:30 p.m.]
Detroit Tigers general manager Dave Dombrowski met with the media for an hour this morning. Dombrowski addressed the performance of his team this season, and the trade deadline acquisitions that ultimately didn't work out.
But as you might imagine, the main topic of discussion was Miguel Cabrera and where he and the Tigers go from here.
As reported in Tom Gage's article on the presser, Dombrowski admitted that he thought Cabrera was capable of playing last Saturday. (Though as Buster Olney points out today [Insider], BigMig could've still been drunk when he took the field.) Previous experiences with such situations in his 20 years as a general manager, along with whatever legalties surrounded the incident, factored into the decision.
While Dombrowski was certainly angry when picking Cabrera up from the Birmingham police station on Saturday morning, he knew no constructive conversations on the matter would take place until later in the day:
"You're at home at 7:30 in the morning, and you get a call from the police station to come and pick up one of your players.
[...]
"But you also have to realize that you have step-by-step issues that you have to deal with. The first thing is that the person needs some sleep.
"You're not going to have a logical conversation with somebody at that time of the morning. They need some sleep. But we've had numerous conversations with him and his representative."
Dombrowski emphasized, however, that he's "confident" that Cabrera knows he made a mistake and is taking the necessary steps to address whatever problems he may have.
From John Lowe's article on Freep.com:
"He (Cabrera) has acknowledged — we know, he made a mistake. We all know that. He knows he made a mistake.
"I feel confident he is going to address the issues that he needs to address to take care of the problem that he has. Those issues will remain personal and private."
No word on whether or not Cabrera will talk to the press (or the fans) again about the matter. Perhaps he feels he did so before Tuesday night's game. How do you guys feel about that? I think it'd be a pleasant surprise if Cabrera acknowledged his mistake directly to the fans, rather than through remarks to the media or an issued statement. But I don't really expect that to happen.
Dombrowski also admitted that the Tigers' offense was a major shortcoming, causing more day-to-day anxiety over the team's performance than expected.
Again, via Gage's article:
"To me our biggest shortcoming was the offensive part of the club. You could almost write the same story about every game we lost. Normally we pitched well. Normally we played good defense. We didn't score enough runs.
As someone who did write that same story about every game the Tigers lost, believe me, Double-D: I wholeheartedly agree with you.
"I thought we would have a better offense. It was a club that befuddled me. Every day was a struggle, even when we were in first place.
"Was there any player that had a career year offensively? I don't think so. We hung in there, but you never felt 100 percent comfortable."
Addtionally, Dombrowski said it was "very disappointing" that the Jarrod Washburn and Aubrey Huff deals failed to help the Tigers win the AL Central and make the playoffs:
"If they would have worked, we would have won. Washburn was an unfortunate situation because a (knee) injury we knew he had came to the forefront -- and he won only one game for us.
[...]
"In Huff's case, he just didn't hit for us. I'm not really sure why. I didn't expect him to come in and carry the club, by any means. But I thought he'd be a good bat for the middle of the lineup.
Finally, Gage noted that Dombrowski wouldn't say that the team might not make any coaching changes.
UPDATE: On his blog, Jason Beck said that Dombrowski gave Lloyd McClendon "a vote of confidence," calling him "a very good hitting coach." He also admitted, however, that he and Jim Leyland haven't yet fully discussed the coaching staff.
Beck has plenty more on Dombrowski's remarks, including a possible hint at Placido Polanco's future with the team, so be sure to click over there. (Like you needed me to tell you.)
No word on whether or not anyone asked about that salmon mock turtleneck Dombrowski was wearing Tuesday night.
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Sounds like DD is a little ticked
And I don’t blame him. He’s handling the Miggy situation fine and it’ll all pass. As for the deadline deals, I agree with him completely. When we got Washburn, I thought for sure we had the central. And Huff seemed perfect. Both just were terrible here – but good thing is that they’ll both bring in draft pics (B’s) I think, unless we just decide to not offer any arbitration, which would make sense too..
Either way, I hope DD shakes the club up a bit, goes and gets Carl Crawford or something this offseason, maybe Chone Figgins. C’mon DD, do your thing!
by KidRick48 on Oct 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Picking up someone for left field would be great.
I’m not happy even thinking Polly will be gone!
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 8, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saves us payroll
We could get an ok left fielder… though the FA market sucks.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like I'm alone here
but I think Raburn has earned atleast a shot for one year at leftfield. If he flops we have guys like Wilkin in the minors who might be able to come up. His defense can best be described by his play in the tenth innning the other day but hopefully a full off-season of focusing just on left-field could help.
Offensively, the man hit .291 with 16 homers and 45 RBI in 261 ABs. If you get that same production in 522 AB’s he’ll be bringing in 32 homers and 90 RBI (I’m a math whiz). Now, consider we’ll be paying him roughly 500k for the year. Any free agent likely to produce at those numbers will be looking at around 10 million and a multi-year deal. Some please tell me if I’m being crazy here.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 8, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you aren't alone.
I think raburn has earned it, as do several other people in this particular forum
by allikazoo on Oct 8, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His fielding might not be the best...
But it’s better than Ordonez and Guillen. Plus he has an Inge-like arm.
Not to mention he did hit around .280.
by ZWC11 on Oct 8, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's actually a pretty good fielder.
Only his mental mistakes always seem to be in the worst situations possible and give a perception that he isn’t very good.
The sliding attempt at that ball that ended up putting the tying run at third against MIN would have been a single for sure if most of the Tigers other LFs were there (though in that case it wouldn’t be so bad).
by 13194013 on Oct 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LF, I think
is Raburn’s job to lose at this point. Maybe the powers that be will suggest some fall baseball for him to work on improving his mental mistakes?
by peazgrl on Oct 8, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe practice
Better judgement and fewer mental mistakes will happen once he gets more time in and gets more comfortable. I think he deserves a chance to grab the job.
"While there's life, there's hope." --Cicero
by Baroque on Oct 8, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Among all his other attributes...
Raburn is cheap. He’s also, as much as I hate to say it, a Twins-style role player who can plug in a few places and has some pop in his bat. He was one of the very few pleasant offensive surprises this year.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a better supersub
500 PA covering left, center and right, with a couple starts at 3B and 2B to round out his season. Use the kid’s flexibility- he can play left or right on days when Ordonez/Guillen need rest or to DH, he can play center against lefties, he can play some 3B when Inge needs to take a day off (AND THEY NEED TO HAVE HIM TAKE DAYS OFF) and he can play 2B to relieve Sizemore a bit next year.
There’s nothing wrong with the super-sub job- ask Chone Figgins and Tony Phillips.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be a mistake...
with the exception of the last game, Polly was pretty clutch, it was uncharacteristic, to me, that he struck out. I expected it from Laird, cuz you can’t expect much from him at the plate, behind it, yes, at the plate, no. If you do then you weren’t payin attension last year, Dave, Is it me, or does this guy look like Mr. Rodgers brother? The real problem in the infield was not Polly, but Everette, decent fielder, but at the plate, again you couldn’t expect very much from him, except for maybe an out, that’s about all I ever expected when I saw him strolling to the plate, oh an maybe an occasional remark to the Ump who had just called him out on strikes (again). And possibly some depth at 3rd, Inge odviously needed some rest after the allstar break & never got it, had a good 1st half, but didn’t show up for the most part. alot of guys were jst caught in some 2nd 1/2 slumps, it was good to see Mags get it goin again, but wasn’t sure why he was takin out, & replaced by Thomas, who’s been lackluster, for the most part, at the plate, & out in the field for that matter, puzzling. Sure he swung for the fences everytime, but hardly ever got it there, not sure what’s up with his big swing, he needs to just try & make contact, put the ball on the ground. Idk, it was disppointing, I’ve watched these guys since I was a kid @ Michigan & Trumbell, it’s a shame…There bull pen was not even addressed at the trade deadlin, & he knew Zumya was gonna be gone again, I judgin from his reliability, as of late, should of been dealt with in the off-season, I mean besides Lyon, who was decent, but they needed another solid reliever.
by LTownDown on Oct 9, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that I am defending huff's poor performance
but wow, it must suck for gim (and wash, I guess) to hear that he’s basically saying it’s their fault we didn’t make it. obviously that wasn’t the only reason we didn’t make it, but that comes off kinda ouch-y!
I had a feeling DD would say that about the free agents. time to start preparing myself to mourn the loss of polly.
by allikazoo on Oct 8, 2009 3:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dislike Jarrod Washburn the pitcher.
He seems like a pretty neat guy though but I’m glad to see him on the way out.
by 13194013 on Oct 8, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye Polly.
That felt horrible to type.
Thanks Polly!
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 3:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna miss that large cranium of his
And it’ll break my heart if he shows up in another AL Central uniform.
This team is getting less and less diverse. At one point, our entire starting infield (+catcher) was from Latin America. Now it could very well be that the only Latin position players on next year’s roster will be Santiago and the three Venezuelans (which sounds like a really bad name for a band). Just an observation.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fiesta tigres will have a different feel,
Polly has been such a big part of this team. Well, there is a small chance he could be back yet, but it doesn’t look good.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter where the players are from.
Only that they are good players. The whole infield situation was an anomaly. I’d rather see a winning team than care about just where the players are from.
And P-squared will get an offer for arbitration.
by 13194013 on Oct 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will kill me if Polly becomes a Twin next year.
Just sayin’.
by peazgrl on Oct 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the challenge (besides the payroll limits) will be to avoid the temptation to go too far the other way
In 2007/2008, the Tigers tried to contend by utilizing the philosophy of trying to outslug the other team. That didn’t work. So in this past offseason, they sacrificed offense for defense. I thought that was the right move, and I think it was more guys either getting old or not producing like they normally do that made the offense look worse. I think the emphasis should still be on pitching and defense. And if Miguel can bury his demons in the offseason and produces like he should next year and they can get Granderson/Inge straightened out (which I think is at least possible), they’d only need one, maybe two big bats. And a #2 hitter, if indeed this is the end for Polanco. No one currently on the roster fits the description (good bat handler/hit for average/don’t strike out).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ordonez
He turned into a great #2 hitter this year when his power left town. He doesn’t strike out much. Find somebody to bat leadoff and move Granderson down to #3.
by tbliggins on Oct 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maggs isn't a bat handler though
He does fit the other two qualifiers, though, as you said.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best hitter
I have always had the philosophy that you bat your best hitter #2 (unless he is also your cleanup hitter). The question is: which Maggs is closer to the real one – 1st half or 2nd half Maggs?
by tbliggins on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i have never seen magglio bunt, either.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
According to baseball-reference
He has a whopping 3 sacrifices in his career, none since 1998
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eh, sac bunts are just giving the other team an out.
Let the guys hit unless they’re not good hitters (Laird, Everett types)
by 13194013 on Oct 8, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bunting is nuts
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
only I would move Gullien (who hit best this year when he was DH only) to the three spot and Grandy to number 5 simply because I think he strikes out too much to hit third.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 8, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Grandy can cut down on the Ks...
I’d actually prefer him in three-spot versus the five-spot because batting behind Miggy would seriously hamper his ability to leg out doubles and triples (Sorry, Miggy, I like you, but you don’t run very fast).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hadn't thought of that
excellent point. The flip side to is that Grandy can give you more doubles and triples hitting in front of Miggy than Gullien could. I am also banking on Gullien being healthy which is iffy while so far I know of no nagging injuries for Grandy.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 8, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
raburn
maggs
grandy
biggy
next
next
and so forth
by Detroitchik on Oct 8, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
recant
maggs is not so fast either
by Detroitchik on Oct 8, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lloyd McClendon
I’m not much of a “fire the coach” guy but this is my thoughts on him. Polanco had a down by his standards as did Maggs. Miggy was great (for the most part) and when healthy Gullien did well. Inge started out well and I think most people would agree that injuries contributed to his bad second half. Thames is who he is and did roughly what I would have expected out of him. No one expected much offensively from Everett, Santiago or Laird although I would hope Laird can hit above .260 next year. The guys we called up like Clete, Kelly, Larish and so on did as well as can be hoped for and Raburn exceeded my expectations for him.
Then we come to Grandy. As far as I know there were no injury issues holding him back. For 4 years now we have been waiting for him to hit lefties atleast respectably. I even thought we were seeing some progress for awhile but in the end he was still viewed as a major liability against lefties. I don’t know what a hitting coach does on a day to day basis but I think we all agree that the talent is there with Grandy. Someone smart than me could probably construct an arguement for why McClendon is responsible for guys like Maggs underperforming this year and could give ideas of what a hitting coach should be doing to fix these problems. I don’t know what could have been done about Maggs and Polanco’s struggles but I would expect that after 4 years working together McClendon and Grandy would be atleast moving in the right direction as far as fixing this problem. I can’t help but think a new perspective might help Grandy out some. I don’t have suggestions aside from making sure that the interview process includes a detailed examination of who a new hitting coach would help a right handed hitter who struggles hitting lefties. If McClendo stays I hope he and Grandy are working together this off-season to explore new ideas as well.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Grandy hit around .250 against lefties last year
So he did make some progress but it all went away this year, for some reason.
And I’m not a big “fire the coach/manager” type person either. No one’s really tried to argue what it is that McClendon was telling them to do that was wrong.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel the same way
Living in Chicago, both sides have fans yelling for the hitting coaches to be fired (Cubs actually did fire there’s) and I don’t know what it is these guys are or are not doing that makes the difference. The only thing with McClendon I can touch is that Grandy’s career number’s against lefties have been a consistent problem and that is the only thing on McClendon’s track record I keep scratching my head about. Hopefully is they keep him he will focus on learning new ways to fix the problem.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 8, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if grandy is this bad against lefties again...
He can’t bat third.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 4:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Does anyone else think
that the team is fielding players because of their defense over their offense because of the fiasco in the 06 World Series? Obviously, that one taught us defense is very important, but is it so important that Laird and Everet should be regular players while hitting in the low .200’s? And Ramon Santiago isn’t getting any younger…he’s 30 and dead weight.
Now, this question is probably something everyone but me already has an answer for, but has Joel Zumaya’s arm gone the way of the dodo? I mean, will he ever be able to do anything ever again, even be a slightly better than mediocre middle reliever?
by corbettkt on Oct 8, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Defense helps your pitching staff and overall wins you more games than just flat out slugging.
And yes, it is that important. Laird and Everett save runs from scoring, keeping us in the game. Less runs scored against means less pressure on the offense (without the defense this year’s not doing well top of the Tigers line up looks even worse).
by 13194013 on Oct 8, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zumaya=Fidyrich
of my generation. Awesome arm. Awesome memories. Career snuffed out too soon (I’m thinkin’ at least).
by peazgrl on Oct 8, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think we'll get a final verdict on Zumaya until he can stay healthy
There’s no doubt he needs to take a page from Verlander’s book and learn to pitch with that fastball of his instead of just throw it. But, similar to Inge and Galarraga, there’s the high probability that injuries were the key cause of the struggles, and until that variable is eliminated, we won’t know for sure.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What if
we signed Polanco to a shorter deal ( 2 years ) and moved the prospect over to short for the time being. Seems like we’d have two solid bats and two solid defenders then
by Zetty The Yeti on Oct 8, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sizemore is no short
you’d have more like moving Polly there, but I don’t see either happening.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 8, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
curses
I’d like to have Sizemore and Polanco. Oh well…
by Zetty The Yeti on Oct 8, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hrm
Lineup for next year (I know I’ve done this before)
CF Granderson/Raburn
RF Ordonez/Raburn
1B Cabrera
LF Guillen/Raburn
DH Ordonez/Raburn
2B Sizemore
C Avila
3B Inge
SS Everett/Alex Gonzalez/JJ Hardy/Reid Brignac
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frick
DH is probably going to be Ordonez or Guillen on their off days with some Thames mixed in
Bench of
C Ryan
2B/SS Santiago
Supersub Raburn
OF Thames (or another bat- maybe Matsui or Vladi?)
OF Thomas
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Avila's not ready to be a starter
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
That’d be a great way to exhaust the kid’s talent in 81 games.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well I wouldn't go that far
Avila should probably get the majority of the games. Maybe a 100-62 split though. I did see a piece saying young catchers should be brought along a bit slower, like young pitchers.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 8, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not even going to try to think of one until after the winter meetings
but on yours, I’ll say Laird will be here, Ryan won’t.
I don’t expect thames either.
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 8, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agree
Thames is done in Detroit, Laird has a job here if he wants it and Ryan is expendable.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw an article somewhere where Leyland said he believes Laird will hit better next year
Because he doesn’t have to spend as much time in spring training getting to know all the pitchers like he did this past year. I’m not sure if that’s good reasoning or not, but Laird IS a career .250 hitter, and so far he seems to alternate decent years and bad years, so he’s due for a decent year (Likely a statistical anomaly, I know, but still)
By the way, dumb question: Is “spring training” supposed to be capitalized or not?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not necessary to capitalize
by Kurt Mensching on Oct 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I've seen it both ways and I wasn't sure
Believe it or not, I’ve actually made great progress in my knowledge of baseball over the past three years. When I first started blogging I would capitalize “grand slam.” That’s how green I was.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't take it!!!
I don’t wanna think of the future yet. I wanna wallow in my misery awhile longer.
Tammy
by VegasTigers on Oct 8, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
henning article....
Officially heralds the Sizemore era, and dooms us to rebuilding next year. Mr. Optimist as always.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 7:23 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
+1
And what the hell is wrong with Sizemore?
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing Wrong With Sizemore
I was hyping Sizemore back in July, thinking that he might get a September call-up. But with the team in contention, I think they went with call-ups that help right away. We highlighted Dombrowski’s comments on Scott as well as re-posted my July post today at MLBFP, where I point out how he jumped over Cale Iorg this season. Check it out if you get a moment: http://www.mlbfantasyprospects.com/2009/10/detroit-tigers-sizing-up-future-at-second-base-scott-sizemore-in-2010.html
by Steve @ MLB Fantasy Prospects on Oct 9, 2009 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, well, that's what he said last year (with the exception of Sizemore)
The only time I’ve noticed Lynn Henning having something positive to say was through part of spring training when he developed his mancrush on Rick Porcello. He won’t be satisfied until SOMEONE big gets traded away (last year it was Magglio; this year it’s Granderson)
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, and we were supposed to rebuild this year
Can’t remember how many teams rebuild while leading the division for the majority of the season and go to game 163.
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested to see what happens with DH next year
So most of us anticipate Sizemore taking over 2B from Polanco and Laird sticking around as catcher to ease Avila into the position full-time for 2011. After that I think we should upgrade SS offensively w/o sacrificing much defense. Players like Marco Scutaro and Felipe Lopez come to my mind. That pretty much leaves DH then as the big question mark. Possibilities:
-Thames (bleh)
-Guillen (Raburn everyday LF)
-Vlad
-Matsui
-Hank Blalock
-Neifi Perez (assured victory)
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Btw I see Guillen as the most likely considering payroll restrictions
And I forgot to mention Jim Thome as well
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DD mentioned that the Tigers probably won't have a full-time DH
Which means we’re likely not looking at a FA signing.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I realize that, but things can certainly change
I noticed the Granderson to Yankees rumor on ESPN today as well
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal baseball guru would die of happiness if that happened
I don’t think trading him away is necessary, though.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what?
He’s worth both Austin Jackson and Joba Chamberlain. Hell, I’d make them throw in top prospect Jesus Montero too- Granderson’s cheap, he’s young, he’s durable, and he’s good.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees have suckered us before
Farnsworth, anyone?
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm still bitter about that
Seriously, though, there was a certain segment of the media that was CONVINCED the Tigers were gonna trade Cabrera to Boston last offseason.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neither player did anything.
Ivan wore out his welcome with DD and Farnsworth was just taken to be a, um, scapegoat? Someone for the fans to hate?
The only segment that was convinced were idiotic Red Sox fellating imbeciles, like Bill “Head Up NBA’s Butt” Simmons.
by 13194013 on Oct 9, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you need ESPN Insider, so all I saw was the title
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yikes.
I don’t buy that though. Other than third base, that’s our position with the least amount of depth.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah that's why I want to know what it said as well
Even if Granderson ends up being more of a Mike Cameron-esque player I still think we should hold on to him, though we might have to address whether he is best suited to lead off anymore
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVEN IF?!?!?!?
Mike Cameron in his prime kicked royal ass. I will not complain if Curtis Granderson is Mike Cameron, Jr.
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by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Out of curiosity, what was the title?
Cuz the Yankees having interest in Granderson is completely different than the Tigers trying to sell him to the Yankees.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aka ESPN Rumormongering
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by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just quoted Lynn Henning’s belief that the Tigers might look into trading Granderson.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 8, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Lynn Henning is pretty much the only one pimping that angle right now
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's his new pet cause...
since Magglio is hanging around. The guy sucks.
He wrote one good column this year. The piece he wrote about Robertson feeling part of the team again in September was actually good writing. The rest of the time, he sounded like an inmate complaining about his wardens.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the Porcello mancrush that went on during spring training
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That one I kind of agree with.
And I know I’m not alone.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but the way he went on about it, it got kinda creepy
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Henning is the Billy Packer of baseball.
He takes a single thesis and then beats it to death for all eternity.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he's been pretty negative this year, but he's usually makes logical points
Although I no longer stand behind the Curtis trade idea
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's another guy....
who seems to wish Mr. I spent like a small market owner. What does he care what Mr. I spends? It’s not Henning’s money.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the Yankees were only mentioned
as a team that could afford Grandy’s contract.
by Ian Casselberry on Oct 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grandy is relatively inexpensive though.
And I doubt they want to move Cabrera. Trying to reason with Henning is pointless, though.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My personal baseball guru is a Yankees fan and LOVES Granderson
I honestly believe he’d be willing the give up every prospect the Yankees have in order to get him.
(The guy knows tons about baseball, though).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Horseshit
Absolute horseshit.
5 years, 30mm? That’s 6mm a year, or a million more than we paid Todd Jones to pitch for us in 2008. Henning needs to stick his head in a blender.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lost in all this discussion
DD says the Tigers will focus on “plate discipline” at all levels in 2010.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 9:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Laird's swinging strike in the 12th finally broke the camel's back apparently
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone posted a Gameday screenshot of that AB
Considering the called third strike against Polanco, I could understand why Laird felt obliged to swing at that.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that called strike was the real travesty of Tuesday's game
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I only saw it in replays, but...
When I was in class yesterday, our professor (who is an Indians fan) was trying to explain the use of the term “secondary to” when making medical assessments, and this is what he came up with:
“The patient has GI bleeding secondary to NSAID use. The Twins beat the Tigers secondary to the Twins paying off the umpires.”
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About damn time
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by demondeaconsbaseball on Oct 8, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Joe Mauer commerical is pissing me off.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Mauer never even sniffs the World Series
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He won't be sniffing it this year.
By Tuesday he’ll be back in his beloved Minnesota cabin in the woods.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
recording rap music of course, cause that seems normal for him
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever keeps him off TV.
Seriously, the guy is great, but I have had enough of the Twins.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rather hear that
Than REDSOXYANKEESREDSOXYANKEESREDSOXYANKEESDODGERSREDSOXYANKEESREDSOXYANKEES
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's like giving a kazoo to a child.
The mass market media will keep playing that same damned tune.
by 13194013 on Oct 9, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else having a hard time...
getting interested in the Angels/Red Sox? Can’t find an angle here to root for.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going for the Angels simply because I dislike them LESS than I dislike the Red Sox
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going for Angels in the AL, Dodgers or Rockies in the NL
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I try to root for the Angels.
But they are kind of a faceless group to me, and Torri is there, and that makes me want to vomit.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but Scioscia is legit, if not just for that one Simpsons episode
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Best manager alive.
Can’t dispute that.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gardenhire isn't so bad himself
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gardenhire is pretty good....
but let’s see what he does without a ridiculous home field advantage. And it’d be nice for him to win a playoff series at some point.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if the Twins get swept by the Yankees
They’ll be 2-12 in their last 4 playoff appearances. Nice.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to go to Minnesota and personally tear down the Metrodome
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll have to wait until the Vikings move out.
Then I’ll meet you there with a blowtorch.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They tore down a building on campus last year
And before they did, they let students throw rocks at it and spray graffiti all over it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaRussa.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Leyland is among the best though imo
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all get pissed at him because we watch him everyday...
but JL is among the best for sure. The national guys, and the other managers, all love him.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
If he could get a World Series with the Tigers (which would be amazing) he’d be a lock for the HOF. He’s currently 22nd all time in managerial wins and another couple of productive years would put in him in the top 15, where everyone (except Gene Mauch) is or will undoubtedly be in the HOF. You’d have to assume though he’s only got the next 3-4 years though tops.
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was watching LaRussa's postgame interview
He doesn’t mumble as much as Leyland, but the inflection and tone of voice are almost exactly the same. I almost had to do a double take.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Cardinals remind me a lot of the Tigers in general
minus Holliday
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Cabby in the Pujols role?
Saw they aren’t pitching much to ol’ Albert.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
This is why Guillen needs to step up next year
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Carlos can just play 125-130 games...
what a difference it would make. He’s still a professional hitter, one of the few we have who works counts and then hits the pitcher’s best pitch.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see Scioscia finally get past the Red Sox as well
So that we don’t have to see a Yankees-Sox ALCS and see ESPN gush with joy
by ryan_matthews28 on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels are my AL team
Fuck the Yankees, to a lesser extent fuck the Red Sox, fuck the Twins… go Angels.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Twins going away, particularly if it's good and embarassing...
will accelerate my healing process.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't Orel Hershiser get on one of this postseason teams?
You can actually learn something when he does a game.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not with TBS
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just thought of a reason to root for an Angels/Dodgers series.
It would make ESPN miserable to leave their hideyhole.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Remember, ESPN *does* have a west coast outfit now
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Oct 8, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
root for the angels, theyre a great team
plus no one likes the red sox….
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
affleck and matt damon notwithstanding... :)
Because when I think of Boris Diaw, I think of Beethoven and the age of Romanticism....
by shaqfor3 on Oct 9, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of my professors and one of my coworkers are Red Sox fans
I still don’t like the Red Sox, though (though my coworker DID let me follow the playoff game on his cell phone).
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The entire AL group is uninspiring.....
The only team I’m remotely interested in seeing do something are the Rockies. Probably because I love Tulowitski. He is a god among men….
by baum on Oct 8, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a thing for Carlos Gonzalez and I don't know why
I’m still (mostly) rooting for the Dodgers, but I’d like the Rockies to beat the Phillies.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll root for the Dodgers...
since they had Slash show up today to play the national anthem. That’s as good a reason as any. I don’t like National League baseball.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like most of the Rockies lineup
he’s young, super-talented, and is an all around player. That’s why I root for them. You could call them the Twins of the NL, but they aren’t made of bit players like the twinkies.
by baum on Oct 8, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus, they don't have Nick Punto
That automatically makes them better than the Twins.
by SabreRoseTiger on Oct 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate Nick Punto!
I like Ryan Howard.
by 13194013 on Oct 9, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watched the DD interview.
DD is just kind of an odd, uncomfortable looking guy.
by rook34 on Oct 8, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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