An Uneasy Thanksgiving Coming Up For Edwin Jackson?

by Ian Casselberry on Nov 19, 2009 3:50 PM EST in Hot Stove Comment 34 comments

Trade rumors surrounding Edwin Jackson aren't going away. They may even be picking up heat. USA Today's Bob Nightengale posted the latest rumblings he's been hearing on his Twitter feed:

Keep and eye on developing three-way trade talk with Tigers and Mariners and mystery team involving M's Brandon Morrow and Dets Jackson

If anything, this corroborates what Jon Paul Morosi and Ken Rosenthal reported at the beginning of the week. The Mariners are interested in Edwin Jackson, and the Tigers might be looking to get Morrow in return. Although a "mystery team" making this a possible three-way deal is a new development.

As something of a follow-up on ESPN's Rumor Central (Insider), there's an implication that this deal could end up setting the market for starting pitching this offseason. If the M's got Jackson, they wouldn't pursue a free agent like John Lackey or Rich Harden. But this would also establish a price for acquiring a starting pitcher in trade.

(Keith Law thinks highly of Jackson and believes that Morrow's problems with developing into a starter are due somewhat to mismanagement by former Seattle GM Bill Bavasi).

If the Tigers are going to make a deal, is it possible they'd make it before the Winter Meetings in the second week of December? A few days ago, Peter Gammons wrote that many general managers are still waiting to hear what their budgets are going to be for next year. So if Dave Dombrowski believes he can only work with what he already has, perhaps he needs to have payroll freed up before GMs get together in Indianapolis.

I guess we'll be keeping an eye out for a potential deal between now and December 7, when the Winter Meetings begin.

(Thanks to granderson28 for posting this in the comments of our last post.)

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If the Tigers do trade Edwin

I’d like to see them inquire about Justin Duchscherer. No one talks about this guy but he’s in his prime and a darn good pitcher on an awful team. Since 2005, he’s only had one year with an ERA over 2.91. I don’t know what he’d command but if this opens up a little $ to spend, I’d like to get a guy who might come in under the radar. Especially since I don’t trust Morrow’s arm to hold up.

Btw, thanks for the shout-out Ian!

by KidRick48 on Nov 19, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

agreed.

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by madpoopz on Nov 19, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 19, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True that...

He’s killed on my Fantasy Baseball team the last 2 years.

by ZWC11 on Nov 19, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

To Little

Brandon Morrow seems to be a pretty skimpy return for a durable pitcher who just threw a season of 3+ ERA ball.

I was hoping this guy would come along with Morrow in a deal with the M’s but maybe this mystery 3rd team is taking care of picking up that slack.

by MacRae on Nov 19, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

no doubt

This is rediculous trade…they should give us him 4 what they pulled pawing off J-Rod Washedup on us.

by LTownDown on Nov 20, 2009 12:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me likey

+1 I’d take that return for EJax

by KidRick48 on Nov 19, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Aaron Heilman just traded

Not sure about the return but it’ll be interesting. An average relief pitcher off to the desert. Interesting, I thought Bradley would be moving too.

by KidRick48 on Nov 19, 2009 4:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

http://twitter.com/SI_JonHeyman/status/5869463662

Hope that link works.

by KidRick48 on Nov 19, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Larry Stone of the Seattle Times is skeptical that a deal is close:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/thehotstoneleague/2010311413_that_three-way_mariner_trade_r.html

by rea on Nov 19, 2009 7:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Worst Move the Tigers Could Make Trading Jackson!

Why in the world could you even think about trading a guy like Jackson? Edwin has electric stuff and will be a star for years to come. Edwin is coming into his prime not out of it and has about five to six years of great pitching ahead of him. What idiot thinks trading him makes sense? If the Tigers hit at all in his starts last season he would have given Greinke a challenge for Cy Young.

by Marcmargolis on Nov 19, 2009 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ergh...

He did have a collapse in August and September… Not to mention he isn’t a pitcher who DOMINATES games like Verlander or Greinke.

Still a great pitcher, but Verlander was our ace and forever will be.

by ZWC11 on Nov 19, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ZWC11 hit it on the head.

Jackson is a very, very nice #2 and will be, or may already be the #3 on this team because of Kid Rick – but if you look at Edwin’s career, he’s always been an average pitcher. There’s no reason to believe he can’t replicate the first few months of this season, but there’s a legitimate fear that he’s no better then a 4.3 ERA and 13-14 win guy, and that’s why the Tigers and DD probably don’t want to overpay yet ANOTHER pitcher. If they can get him signed to a deal that’s reasonable, he’ll be a fine #3 for years to come.

Morrow has the stuff to dominate games, when healthy. The only problem is, I’m seeing flashes of Kerry Wood and Mark Prior and it’s giving me a stomach ache thinking us Tigers fans would have to deal with something like that.

by KidRick48 on Nov 19, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be in favor of a Jackson-Morrow straight swap.

But it’s seemingly not the popular decision around here. I’m making two assumptions though: Jackson’s first half was mostly a fluke, and Morrow will be healthy.

by StringTheory on Nov 19, 2009 7:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I'm going to have to agree...

For once I’d like the Tigers not to be the fools…

Look how many pitchers have given us one promising year and nothing more, and then we lock them up to a long term contract!

How about this time we gamble and try to get a steal (and yes, I know getting Jackson in the first place was a steal too).

by ZWC11 on Nov 19, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Living in Seattle...

I’ve seen nothing but “promise” out of Morrow. The assumption that Morrow, a diabetic, will be healthy, is a difficult one to make. Jackson has proven that he can be, at worst, a league average starter, and at best, an All-Star. Jackson for Morrow straight up would most likely result in the Tigers looking like fools.

by russkiejedi on Nov 19, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree.

Morrow alone isn’t worth trading for and with how the M’s have handled Morrow I believe the Tigers would be fools if they didn’t get more from Seattle than Morrow +1.

by 13194013 on Nov 19, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said trade for Morrow...

I just said trade Jackson…

by ZWC11 on Nov 20, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

3-way trade

Would imply that the Tigers aren’t the ones getting Morrow wouldn’t it? Unless Seattle is sending somone else to this mystery team . . .

by rea on Nov 19, 2009 7:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

or maybe, despite what we first heard abot Seattle's interest

mystery team wants Jackson is another possibility

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by Kurt Mensching on Nov 19, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But surely

The Tigers would want more than just Morrow in order to trade Jackson?

by rea on Nov 19, 2009 8:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I sure as heck would

I am not sold on Morrow myself, though the saber projections do expect him to have a better season than Jackson. and at a cheaper price.

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by Kurt Mensching on Nov 19, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

And speaking of 3-ways . . .

Am I remembering this correctly? That there was a 3-way trade in the works last year with Seattle and Tampa, that was to involve Jackson going to the Mariners and Putz coming to the Tigers? And that when the deal fell through, the Tigers traded for Jackson themselves?

by rea on Nov 19, 2009 8:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

This Year, Next Year

Don’t have the money to make a go of it in 2010, time to blow it up and REBUILD for 2011. Otherwise the Tigers will just limp along at about 3rd and miss out on better drafts. Lyon was lights out after finding a cutter about May, has the guts, make him the closer. Keep Jackson unless you get great value for 2011 in return, and it better be really great. Almost nobody is excluded from being traded away if it will be a really good help for 2011. It’s hard to grow young players, or trade for them. Got to go for what works for one year, because with the alleged salary cap, only the 5 or so biggest markets will win it all more than once in 20 years unless you go for the one big year.

by gopher03 on Nov 19, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Each successive sentence you wrote almost completely contradicted the preceding sentence.. And by the way, if you want to contend in 2011, you can’t blow up the whole team. You would need Verlander, Cabrera, etc because prospects/draft picks would not be ready in a year’s time. Plus with almost $60 million coming off the books after 2010, the Tigers aren’t really in need of long-term salary relief.

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by SabreRoseTiger on Nov 19, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he was talking about the Lions...

by ZWC11 on Nov 20, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he is from the Lions. Probably the GM.

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by madpoopz on Nov 20, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dombrowski's a realist

So I’ve got to believe he’s looking at 2011 and beyond, too. Minimum salary players don’t just represent cost savings. They also are players who are young and just coming into their prime. They are players you can build with and grow with – sustained success.

With Granderson, he’s got two-three years of peak-performance, then he, too will slowly decline, so why not replace him now? With Jackson, why not go with a cheaper version of him, given the fact that pitching injuries are so random and frequent?

by Oost on Nov 20, 2009 12:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Meh

Granderson has a skillset that’s not likely to decline quickly. He’s probably got unitl 34-35.

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by demondeaconsbaseball on Nov 20, 2009 12:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think Grandy can be any worse at hitting lefties.

by 13194013 on Nov 20, 2009 12:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't have to be able to hit lefties to make a significant contribution

Ryan Howard barely hits above .200 against lefties and he does plenty of damage. I know we’re talking about a leadoff hitter versus a cleanup hitter, but conventional wisdom does say that someday Grandy will be a #3 or #5 hitter.

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by SabreRoseTiger on Nov 20, 2009 6:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs