Lynn Henning: Don't Rule Out Trading Cabrera
The big question surrounding the Detroit Tigers this offseason is whether or not the collapse of the local economy might prompt the team to trade off some of its star players. According to the Detroit News' Lynn Henning, the Tigers' financial losses this season were serious enough that dealing away their most expensive player, Miguel Cabrera, is now a consideration.
The annual autumn review that Dombrowski held with owner Mike Ilitch made clear that Detroit's economics have caught up with the Tigers. The team hemorrhaged money in 2009 and stands to bleed profusely in 2010, as well.
Cabrera's salary was $15 million in 2009 and jumps to $20 million in 2010 and again in 2011. He climbs to $21 million in 2012 and 2013, and to $22 million in 2014 and in 2015, after which he will be a 32-year-old free agent.
Henning goes on to say that Cabrera might not be traded for two reasons: 1) He's simply too valuable to the Tigers' lineup, and 2) The Events of October 3 raise a huge red flag for any teams potentially interested in a deal.
But if the Tigers are trying to trade Cabrera, Henning speculates that the Boston Red Sox are the most likely trade partner. The Sawx have the budget to take on such a large contract, and a minor league system with enough prospects that might interest the Tigers. And with that, Ken Rosenthal just pumped his fist. Except Henning seems to have a more suitable return package in mind, centered around pitcher Clay Buchholz.
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How can this be??
I like to think because it’s Henning talking, it’s all hype. This is very upsetting to me. Polly. Possibly Grandy and Jackson now Biggy. I can’t take much more of Henning’s hype. Nothing newsworthy to report so he pulls stories out of his behind???? I hope so. My heart is breaking.
i have said this before....
But if Mr I thinks he had attendance problems this year, wait until he does this. Dumping Miggy would haunt the franchise for years. If this happens, we are directly back to 2003. I hate Lynn Henning.
by rook34 on Nov 24, 2009 8:44 AM EST via mobile reply actions
There is just too much conflicting information here
The media seems to be doing the bulk of perpetuating the “dire financial situation” story. DD has gone on record saying there will be no salary dump and that any trades made will be purely strategic in nature. The blogosphere seems to agree with DD here, and they’ve made some very well-put arguments about why this isn’t about payroll (as a matter of fact, the bloggers’ arguments were much more logical and persuasive than the media’s). Not to mention the fact that trading your star player would make no sense when we’ve got him for several more years and there’s a lot of salary relief coming up after 2010 (a light at the end of the tunnel, so to speak). Surely they must know this.
Anyone else get the impression that 2003 was the happiest time of Lynn Henning's life?
by SabreRoseTiger on Nov 24, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I mean I get he has to write something but it just feels to me like he’s digging way too hard. No wonder the Chief over at A2Y can’t stand the big media writers for the Wings, I’m starting to think it’s an epidemic across all of them.
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by john.kmiecik on Nov 24, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
From a journalistic perspective...
isn’t Henning going over the line with his allusions to Miggy’s “possible alcoholism” and “possible admission to a treatment facility” with zero evidence? I know the 2 drinking incidents are troubling, but those are fairly serious allegations to be throwing around with no professional opinions from medical/substance abuse experts to back them up.
Just seems to me like more bomb-throwing from the resident bomb-thrower. Doesn’t seem particularly ethical to me.
Ugh.
I really don’t think this would ever happen because, as has been said in this thread, if attendance dropped this year, trade Miggy, E-Jack and Granderson and watch it fall through the floor next year.
They’ll try to unload some bad contracts, put a semi-solid team on the field next year and position themselves for 2011 and beyond when an absurd amount of cash comes off the books. Trading Miggy makes zero sense long term.
Now, with that said, if they do trade him, it better not be to Boston. I can barely stand Bill Simmons now, I really don’t want to have to ride out 15 3,000+ word columns about how Boston made Detroit an offer we couldn’t refuse and blahblahblah.
Do what I do
Ignore Bill Simmons.
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by john.kmiecik on Nov 24, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions
Sure
Miggy and Sizemore to Boston for Bucholtz, Pedroia, Delcarmen, Tazawa and Ryan Kalish.
What? You think one of the best RH hitters of our generation is going to come cheap?
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
Actually...
Sub out Pedroia for Lester. I’d prefer him.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 24, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions
Aw hell
You get my point- I want a lot for Miggy.
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by David Tokarz on Nov 24, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Olney piles on with his blog...
with an asinine statement that Miggy’s conditioning is a problem. The guy played through all kinds of injuries (some self induced, like October 3) over two years and has missed barely any time. His conditioning isn’t his problem.
The Tigers are nothing but a minor league franchise in the opinion of the East Coast Baseball Elite. It’s disgusting. Olney obviously hasn’t seen more than 3 Tigers games if he thinks Miggy’s weight is his big problem.
Yeah...
As far as ESPN is concerned, there are four MLB teams (Yanks, Sawx, Cubs, Dodgers) and 26 AAAA teams that serve to, alternately, provide them with talent or add drama to the playoff picture (“can the Angels make some noise and derail the Yankee’s quest?”)
Is Olney basing his assumptions solely on Henning?
by SabreRoseTiger on Nov 24, 2009 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Completely.
If there’s even a shred of truth to all this, the organization needs to have a statement ready for its paying customers when and if the deal(s) are done, regarding these two questions:
1. What are you doing?
2. What is the objective?
It’s awfully hard to discern right now. DD and Mr. I aren’t denying any of this.
Normally I like Olney,
but he’s clearly wrong. It’s not terribly surprising he can’t distinguish between muscle and fat.
by StringTheory on Nov 24, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Boy, I'm sick of Henning
Not to say that his claims aren’t grounded in some reality, but he is a hyperbole machine who has been throwing out scenario after scenario to see what sticks. In what world were the Tigers “hemorrhaging” money last year, when they had their 4th highest attendance in team history and tore up the TV ratings? Oh, I know, one in which their payroll was too high—even so, that is a bit dramatic. The problem is, I don’t see how that payroll problem is solved unless you 1. Fire Sale in 2010 or 2. Suck it up and wait until 2011 and then permanently fix your payroll at a more reasonable level. And if 1, your attendance will fall of a cliff and you will have entered a vicious circle of non-competitiveness.
No more Henning.
Seriously, the guy should be out of a job.
Ian, I wouldn’t be against the notion of banning negative Lynn Henning articles from this site from here on. The man should have a job as a used car salesmen, at least the BS might get him somewhere. I don’t mind when he writes a feel good story now and then, but 9 times out of 10 the man is cutting down the Tigers and has absolutely no creditability. I’d like to a boycott of his crap and more of what might REALLY happen, not pure speculation pulled out of his *.
If Henning didn't write
there’d be absolutely no Tigers articles, and zero analysis. And like it or not guys, he’s actually right quite often with what he thinks. You pile on him for Curtis Granderson, yet a day later Jim Leyland himself said Grandy was doing too much outside baseball. And a couple months later, Dombrowski is shopping Grandy. You may not like what he has to write, but goodness, get over it. Just don’t read him if you are that sensitive to something outside all good news, all the time tunnel vision.
He’s wrong too, but tis the nature of the beast. At least he’s out there writing.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 24, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
Just because an action fills the void doesn't mean the actual substance of the action is any good.
While he is writing and filling a void I dislike the slant he has and would rather have more objectivity. I don’t mind what he says but I do mind how he says it.
Don't throw sensative in there
It’s a matter of what’s correct and what’s just idiotic speculation. I could blog in and out about this stuff, but the man is paid to write GOOD articles. There’s the problem, they’re not good. The stuff he comes up with sometimes is completely out of the blue, and many times invalid. He just needs DD to open his mouth one time and he’ll write an article about what DD meant to say or what he was really trying to say, rather then just reporting what’s there.
And Henning is not the only beat writer for the Tigers around – Kornacki over at mlive.com does a fine job. Albom, Rosenburg, (dare I say it) Sharp, really do tell it like it is. Sharp is out there and an ass himself but at least he’s not speculating day in and day out.
I’ll gladly not read Henning, not because of just this year but many years past. As someone posted above, 03 must have been a thrill for him, and it probably was. A friend of mine has gotten into heated discussions with him via e-mail before over topics and Henning is a pompous windbag. Do what you will, say what you will, but just because someone writes for the Detroit News doesn’t make them any better or more legit then you or me. Just means when he says he has “sources”, for some damn reason, we believe him.
The difference is that Lynn would’ve traded Granderson for some magic beans.
Am I the only person in the world who thinks the Tigers are just fine? Sure they’ve got money tied up in under performers, but who’s to say Magglio and Guillen don’t get hot? It’s not like we’ve cloned Dontrelle four times to fill our rotation.
2011 is a year away, and if Mr. Illitch was really hurting that badly, he’d never have picked up Magglio’s option.
by metatron5369 on Nov 24, 2009 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Except the Tigers echochamber is LOUD this time of year
Unfortunately I’d have to just stop reading every Tigers blog until April if I didn’t want to see Henning’s name mentioned or a bunch of posts concerning something he wrote.
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by john.kmiecik on Nov 24, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not seeing your point Kurt...
because his analysis isn’t that important. He should be presenting facts and making logical statements based upon the facts. More or less he pulls his analysis out of his ass just to get some exposure (which we give him). Theres no such thing as a baseball degree. The ability to analyze the game comes from years of watching and observing the game as a whole. There are plenty of people right here in our little community who have the ability to analyze and plenty of blogs out there with their own analysis of the facts. Now it is impossible to write without analysis of some sort, but does he really need to pull things out of his ass to write something?
My Music: Some Sorta Giant
My Blog: Inside A Head
His job is to talk to people and tell you what he hears
Let me tell you my background briefly so you know where I’m coming from. I spent nearly a third of my life around newspapers. I won first place in sports columns for the middle-sized newspapers in the state of Michigan. It’s what I know and what I love.
That said, the misconceptions people on the Internet have about newspapers really is a splinter in my butt.
It starts with the simple things like thinking the author of a story writes the headline — they most certainly do not, that comes from a copy editor or higher at big papers, a page designer at smaller ones. And if you read the actual print copy, you’ll notice the headlines for stories don’t always match the Internet; that’s because some newspapers have separate Internet editors who write a first version of the headline.
And it just gets worse from there. Do sports writers say things to sell newspapers? No. That would be silly. Conversation you’ll never hear:
“Did you read what Mitch Albom said today?”
“No, I better go buy a copy of the paper.”
Do they write things they don’t believe in order to make a name for themselves? Probably not. How would you like to put an opinion out there for 10,000, 100,000, a million people, you didn’t believe in?
Do they make up stuff? Sure, a couple like Stephen Glass. But on the whole, no, no, no, no, no. If someone is reporting a trade rumor, that is something they have actually been told. Reports do not sit around saying, “I think I’ll make something up today!” That one ticks me off the most.
So when I start reading stuff like “Lynn Henning was just sitting around, so he decided to sell some newspapers by making up a trade rumor,” it strikes me as so totally off base it’s not even funny.
Writers protect their reputation. Editors protect the reputation of the paper. There is just way too much at stake to be making stuff up.
Like any columnist, Henning writes his analysis of a situation based on his own take and things he hears from inside. So when a bunch of local writers all come up with the idea the team will cut back on its payroll, they’ve probably heard it from people around the team. When they hear a player is available, that probably came from the front office. When he writes Curtis Granderson might want to concentrate on baseball and every Tigres fan gets bothered, he probably heard it from the team. And in fact, the manager said the exact same thing a day later. And when he writes about prospects, it’s probably guys the organization is excited about.
It’s a two-way street of course. I don’t want to make reporters look like they are simply on the receiving end of information. You have to know what to ask, who to talk to. You develop your own ideas when you think the sources are painting the picture they want to paint and it’s not accurate. It’s the team’s job to get out every bit of rosy information possible; the reporter should tell both sides of the story.
Fans almost always want only good news, though. That’s why writers who go against their views end up known as being negative. It’s being honest. And that’s the way I run my blog to this day.
But is Henning wrong sometimes? Sure. No one who shares opinions in public is going to go without being wrong sometimes. Posters here won’t. Columnists won’t. Talking heads on TV won’t. I know I’m not always right either.
Henning is not perfect. I disagree with him. Sometimes I question his style. Often I think he’s a bit too excited over prospects and his trade ideas aren’t always realistic. I’ve pointed out a factual mistake, and he’s thanked me for it.
But you know what? I’ve been reading him a long time and still find him worth reading.
And as far as character goes, he is a good guy. He’s into the Internet. He gave me way more of his time than I expected for my blog. A few years back when a popular poster at MotownSports was killed in the Virginia Tech shootings, he reached out and did a story on it.
The Tigers beat without Henning would have a big hole in it.
The more people talking about the Tigers — on the internet, on tv, on the radio, in newspapers — the better in my book.
by Kurt Mensching on Nov 27, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
now I'm seeing it...
but problem is that it seems only ever talks about trading players away. I really do understand that he’s just reporting what he hears from his sources and you’re right that he does get it right quite often. It to me seems like he is often reporting what he hears (trading Granderson for example) and than just beating the drum until everyone is tired of it. My problem is more with his style than what he actually has to say.
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My Blog: Inside A Head
Cabrera did NOT have a good year in 2009. Pitchers rarely pitched around him even with little protection and check out his lack of GW hits. Still it is probably a bad time to trade him because of the Oct 3 thing. I also do not care for his casual attitude but he has become a decent first baseman and he has hit well most of the time. Besides who can trust Dumbo who makes three bad deals for every one good one. Same reasons to not trade Jackson or Grenderson. Never deal from weakness.

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