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Evening Prowl: Grandy Talks, Questioning the Plan, and Mark Schlereth Changes Hats

  If you haven't seen it yet, Curtis Granderson talked to The Big Lead today. Among the topics discussed was whether he would've been traded if the Tigers had won Game 163, the fan reaction in Detroit to him being traded, and which outfield position he might play next season.

(Thanks to allikazoo for linking to this in a FanShot.)

  The Freep's Michael Rosenberg wonders if the Tigers really have a plan right now. If so, why does it seem to keep changing? And how many times did it change throughout the course of this season?

I'd just add this thought, based on a conversation I had with Kurt: If the plan has changed - and it seems to have done so since 2006 - how much of that is because of Dave Dombrowski, and how much is on Mike Ilitch?

  As this week's big trade was close to being completed, The Daily Fungo's Mike McClary (an Arizona resident) sent me a text message that ESPN NFL analyst Mark Schlereth attended many Diamondbacks games to see his son, Daniel, pitch. So he could be at plenty of Tigers games.

Sure enough, Schlereth declared a change in his baseball fandom today. "Long live the Detroit Tigers and the English D," he said as he donned a Tigers cap on the "Mike & Mike" show this morning. You can see the video here. (Couldn't ESPN spring for a fitted hat? Or is the former NFL player's head so big that he needs the adjustable?)

  Fangraphs' Dave Cameron says moves like the Astros giving Brandon Lyon a three-year, $15 million contract are "why the team isn’t good, and won’t be good any time soon." But Lyon plays with remote-controlled airplanes, man.

Star-divide

  According to the Baltimore Sun's Jeff Zrebiec, Fernando Rodney tops the Orioles' list of available free agent closers after meeting with his people in Indianapolis.

  I don't usually do this (probably because it doesn't happen very often), but if it turns out that the Tigers sign Scott Podsednik, I would like to channel Tony Kornheiser and say, "I may have had that one right."

  Another item on the Tigers' to-do list during these Winter Meetings was to find Tom Brookens' successor as manager in Double-A Erie. But it looks like former Tiger Phil Nevin is the man to take over. The hiring hasn't been formally announced yet, but was reported by the L.A. Times.  Nevin played for Detroit from 1995-1997.

(Thanks to KidRick48 - formerly known as granderson28 - for posting this news in a FanShot.)

  I know the Tigers have plenty of relievers right now, but when I see that the Oakland A's released Santiago Casilla, I feel like that's a guy Detroit should take a chance on. No, he didn't have a good year (5.96 ERA), due largely to calf and knee injuries. (And an elbow injury put him on the DL in 2008.) But he can strike out some batters.

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i agree with casilla

he was very good before inuries….even considered a closer before devine, baily and others came along

by Tigersin2010 on Dec 10, 2009 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not all that familiar with Casilla...

…but if we can get him on something low-risk (especially if we can somehow get him on a minor league deal with an invite to spring training; I don’t know how feasible this is), I don’t see the harm.

by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Neither am I

Has he only pitched for the A’s? Honestly his name doesn’t even ring a bell with me. But like you said Sabre, low-risk pitching is always good, sometimes it really pans out. And if he was a highly touted prospect, always worth one last shot for cheap.

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by KidRick48 on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

What the hell

We’ve grabbed every valuable relief commodity out there… might as well grab some more. Our 25 man bullpen better do some work next year…

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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 10:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Some stats on Casilla per mlb.com

152 total games over 6 seasons, but only 9 of those games were from 04-06, so he’s had a decent workload the last three years despite injuries. In 08 he posted a 3.9 ERA in 50 innings. 2:1 K:BB ratio that year as well, and over his career he walks one batter per every two innings. His career WHIP is 1.58, and the BAA is .272. When I seethe WHIP with the BAA, it makes me wonder what his control is like and if he can overcome those injuries to pitch a little better. If he were to be able to get that batting average down as a reliever, I think he could be a useful guy out of the pen. Otherwise he’s no better then a Jason Grilli, who btw has a lower WHIP and BAA than Casilla over his career.

Unless I could see something amazing from him, I’m going to have to say do not want, but only based on previous years. If he’s healthy, and cheap, give him a shot of course.

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by KidRick48 on Dec 10, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

we actually hit him hard last year

but he was coming back from injuries.
he can be very very good. he needs someone like Knapp
to give him confidence and throw strikes; he has walked to
many after injuries

by Tigersin2010 on Dec 10, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions  

"based on my allegiances to my son"

That just sounded weird to me…

I like Schlereth on ESPN. I hope I like his son coming out of our bullpen.

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by Packey on Dec 10, 2009 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

Don't count on it.

He’s projected to be a starter for every organization not based in Arizona. His stuff shows that he can be a solid starter, and since we gave up our #2 starter for him… why not?

by john.kmiecik on Dec 14, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're getting Scherzer and Schlereth confused

Schlereth was a reliever even in his college years and he’s projected more as a closer. Which I hope he becomes, because that would make me feel a lot better about the deal.

by Kurt Mensching on Dec 14, 2009 7:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't ordinarily like Rosenberg...

but his column is excellent. The point about building for a future while all three principle members of the management team have limited time is absolutely correct.

I wish I knew who was driving the bus-and where that bus might be going. Lot of mixed signals.

by rook34 on Dec 10, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

Quote of the day

"I’d say Detroit did the best," one veteran scout said. "I believe the Yankees are going to see that they are not getting what they think in (Curtis) Granderson. I changed my mind on his defense this year. He turned routine plays into ‘Web Gems’ because he got bad jumps. And he struck out too much and couldn’t hit left-handers.

Source: http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2009/12/scouts_tigers_got_best_of_thre.html

by Tigersin2010 on Dec 11, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

Spitting Image

I’d never seen Mark Schlereth before—I don’t follow fottball much—but he’s certain the spttign image of his son. Once the Tigers’ bats put a little gray in the younger Schlereth’s goatee, no one will be able to tell them apart.

by rea on Dec 11, 2009 7:27 AM EST reply actions  

Rosenberg

And suppose that president/general manager Dave Dombrowski had known in early July that the Tigers would miss the playoffs and owner Mike Ilitch would tell Dombrowski to cut payroll. Would Dombrowski have waived Magglio Ordoñez, saving $15 million in 2010?

I don’t think Rosenberg understands contracts very well.

The common version of this idea is that the Tigers should have sat Ordonez down to prevent him from reaching the number of at bats needed to trigger the option year of his contract. The fallacy of that idea is that it’s a breach of contract for the Tigers simply to sit Ordonez down to prevent the option from vesting—he can only be sat down for baseball reasons.

Rosenberg’s idea is even stranger—that the Tigers should have waived Ordonez to prevent the option from vesting. That doesn’t work—you don’t get out of a player’s contract by waiving him. Ordonez, would have signed with, say, Cleveland, for the league minimum—The Tigers would be on the hook for the salary difference—and you can be sure that Cleveland would take great care to ensure that Ordonez got enough at bats for the option to vest, since they would be spending the Tigers’ money.

by rea on Dec 11, 2009 7:42 AM EST reply actions  

I love it

Thanks for the article Tigersin2010. I’d heard that Dave was thinking about trying Coke out for the rotation. This could be a huge development. Our rotation could potentially look like this:

1. Verlander
2. Scherzer
3. Porcello
4. Coke
5. Bonderman/Robertson

Not bad. That’s an awesome front three, and a solid set of five.
Now we need to figure out what’s going on with Guillen/Raburn/Clete in LF.

And on a separate note… Geez I hope we don’t sign Podsednik. I’d much rather see Clete be fallback to AJAX.

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by ewild on Dec 11, 2009 10:03 AM EST reply actions  

ya know...

Cletes got a hell of a throwing arm and definitely a bit of power in his bat. If he can learn to choke up on his swing more consistently he can be a pretty damn good center fielder.

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by madpoopz on Dec 11, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Unfortunately

He’s probably stuck as “fourth outfielder”- albeit a pretty good one.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 11, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm interested in seeing a Raburn/Thomas/Jackson rotation.

Bring along Austin gradually as he is going to have huge shoes to fill.

by 13194013 on Dec 11, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

No more mention of Pierre?

Please tell me there is still some hope for us bringing in Pierre for LF….He has a great uzr rating there, and can be that leadoff guy we are now missing…..(No offense to Sizemore, AJAX, Clete, or whoever else is being considered to bat first, but they just aren’t going to be as good as Pierre)

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Dec 11, 2009 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

What?

Pierre can’t hit. He’s a good defender, but his OBP for the past 3 seasons he’s started has been under .340. He’s never slugged above .400 and his SB percentage is roughly 71%- any percentage below 75% costs runs for a team.

Sizemore has career OBPs in the minors that come darn near .400. Jackson’s has been .354 for two seasons running. Thomas’s isn’t good either- comparable to Pierre, in fact. So why should we pay Juan Pierre to play LF and lead off for us when he 1) can’t hit and 2) we have cheaper options in house?

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by David Tokarz on Dec 11, 2009 5:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do we have to pay Pierre?

Last I checked we have three pitchers with equal contracts, or Guillen makes 3 million more than Pierre….We won’t have to change our payroll at all to get a guy, who may not be the guy who has the best OBP, but he is a singles machine, and can hit .280 or .290. I don’t know what Sizemore will do in his first season, but if he OR Jackson can hit .280 or .290 in their rookie years, I would be really surprised. .400 OBP in the minors isn’t enough to convince me he is going to do that much better than Pierre’s. Having a guy who is fast enough to score from first, CAN get on base, and even steal 40 a year all while playing a solid LF is tempting…

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Dec 11, 2009 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

Just watched the hat ceremony...

is there any hat better looking than a good old fashioned Tigers hat?

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by madpoopz on Dec 12, 2009 8:10 AM EST reply actions  

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