What do you expect for 2010?
I have a fairly positive outlook for 2010. The starting pitching will be strong and I believe the bullpen will improve as the season progresses. The glaring question is the offense. I suspect the Tigers will be a .500 team but with a few breaks can compete for the traditionally middling AL Central. I am guessing 81-85 wins though you add games to either column based on many different factors.
What are your predictions for 2010?
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I don't do outright predictions (mostly cuz I hate being wrong)...
…but based upon the abilities of the current roster, I see no reason why they wouldn’t have the capability of managing 85-88 wins, if not more. I don’t think we’re a bad team at all (And herein I normally insert my disclaimer about the difference between ability and execution, etc).
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 16, 2009 11:49 AM EST reply actions
This team needs to make another deal or two (not enough lefty hitters; too many lefty bullpen pitchers) but I expecct it will be good enough to contend in the AL Central.
(Of course, Selig is going to announce amy day now that in the interests of competitive balance the Tigers and the Rays are trading divisions)
Back of the envelope
I’m going 83 wins and 3rd in the division.
Gut feeling. Still too many question marks to make a solid prediction.
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It all depends on how we fare against the Central
The Tigers aren’t particularly good against the East, which is fine because they don’t play the AL East that often, and they’ve been really good against the West. Now, they did go 14-4 against the Indians (boy, I would sure love them to dominate the Tribe again), and for most of the year it looked as though they would have solid records against the Royals and White Sox as well. But then in September Kansas City went on an ill-timed hot streak and for some reason we kinda ran out of steam against Chicago. And we never really got on track against Minnesota. Therefore, in 2010 we must dominate the Indians and Royals (which, seriously, we need to do for the sake of reputation at the very least), we have to figure out a way to beat the Twins more consistently, and I still say we’ve got the pitching to challenge Chicago head-to-head (It is perfectly conceivable that Verlander, Scherzer, or Porcello can outpitch any of their starters any time). I don’t know why, but for some reason, the Tigers seem to have confidence issues against the White Sox. But if I’m not afraid of them, they shouldn’t be either.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 16, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
This sounds about right
Mediocrity on our team coupled with a stronger than expected Minnesota team and a very good Chi-Sox.
I’d say, on an individual level, I’d expect Sizemore to surprise lots, Porcello to fall back a little from his excellent freshman year (but rebound in 2011), Scherzer to make us forget Edwin Jackson (or Mr. Crash and Burn), Seay to pick up 25+ saves and either Jeremy Bonderman or Carlos Guillen winning Comeback Player of the Year. That being said, we won’t get much offense from DH or 3B and CF/SS/C will be offensive black holes, as will the fifth spot in the rotation. Bullpen will be average but will be cheap and full of rookies ready to shock in 2011.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 17, 2009 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
We won't get much offense from the fifth spot in the rotation?
I guess that means Dontrelle won’t be pitching :-p
Seriously, though, I’m not going to draw any conclusions about Inge, Galarraga, or Robertson until I know they are healthy. Injury has to be ruled out as a cause of struggle, otherwise it’s not good science. The problem with Galarraga/Robertson is that they’ve already demonstrated that they will try to hide injuries and pitch through them (which is not a good idea), so if they struggle it’ll be difficult to ascertain whether or not they are healthy. At least Inge is more up-front about it.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 7:21 AM EST up reply actions
It'll be a black hole
Smartass…
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by David Tokarz on Dec 17, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
That’s where I lined up for the division. The ChiSox are going to be damn good this season, if they stay healthy. Their pitching suddenly got phenomenal and that kid Beckham scares the hell out of me. Combine that with the rest of their existing roster and it’s going to be like shooting fish in a barrel this season. I also expect the Twins to have a good year and remain competitive throughout. Would I like to see the Tigers make it a three-way race in the division? Sure would, but I’m not going to bet on it.
Edwin Jackson gets a bit of a rough rap for how his season ended. In 2008 he was 14-11 for the Rays, and when we made the trade I remember thinking to myself “he’ll be a decent enough guy to help shore up the rotation.” His first half was completely unexpected, but I can’t remember anyone actually thinking he’d keep it up. He averaged out his 2009 to be similar to his 2008 campaign, going 13-9. He posted a markedly lower ERA but his effectiveness stayed the same giving up the same amount of dingers per nine and hits per nine. Not like this matters anymore, but I felt like it needed to be said.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 17, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
Jackson's win totals don't tell us much about whether Scherzer will make us forget him
All that tells me is that his team was able to score more runs than the other team 13 times when he was on the mound and could figure a decision.
I was simply trying to explain that Jackson didn’t so much crash and burn as he did do what he’s always done in his career. Just so happened that in 2009 it wasn’t as smooth/average as a performance and his best stuff was all spent in the first half.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 17, 2009 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Two giant question marks
- and #5 starters…
If I go with my gut and say that Maggs and Carlos bounce back, but we really struggle to find consistent pitching at the back of the rotation and at the back of the bullpen, I give us 80 wins and second in the division. I’d pick the White Sox at around 88, the Twins at around 79, and the Indians and Royals winning about negative 3.
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Baseball, especially in the AL Central...
Is a crap shoot. You never know who’s going to win, except that the Royals are usually pretty bad.
White Sox and Tigers are built around youth and pitching, Twins are built around hitters. Indians are a giant question mark, and the Royals are almost always bad (but still have our number!)
That said, we could win it. We’re not that bad, and the AL Central isn’t that good. All it takes is the right luck and we’re in the postseason.
well...
I don’t know if the Tigers are built around youth and pitching, but maybe youthful pitching. The Twins to me seem to be the team built more around the youth from their system than the White Sox or the Tigers and my guess is that White Sox are a pretty old team. The youngest guy on their 40 man is 22, and he only played in 10 games.
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You're right.
For some reason I though Mark Teahen was younger than he is. Maybe I shouldn’t post so late…
by metatron5369 on Dec 17, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, the White Sox kinda strike me as an "old" team as well, though I think not having Dye or Thome makes them younger
I do think injuries are going to play a huge role in the fate of the AL Central. Most of our division’s teams’ chances depend a lot on one or two key players, which means everyone’s chances hang by a thread. If we lose Verlander and/or Cabrera, we’re screwed. If the Twins lose Mauer, they’re in trouble. If the White Sox lose Peavy, they essentially become last year’s team and they’d have problems. So it may indeed come down to “He who stays healthy…”
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
White Sox are old
and they did add Omar Vizquel, Andruw Jones and Juan Pierre this off-season so they aren’t getting any younger. I still like the off-season they are having the best out of teams within the division and if I had to pick I would tab them as the favorites going into next year based on the strength of the rotation, their bullpen with Jenks and Putz, and the fact that they play in hitters friendly park which can make up for some of their offensive short comings. Still, I wouldn’t be shocked if Peavey breaks down at some point or if Floyd and Danks prove to be no better than number 4 type starters. I am also shocked that they moved Beckham to 2b and if that blows up I would probably never stop laughing. Throw in the fact that they are counting on Rios to hit above .200 and Carlos Q-Tip to stay healthy and I am already talking myself out of thinking they are the favorites next year so who knows.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 17, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
The ChiSox infield is ridiculous, they have an OF playing short stop, a 3B/SS playing second, and DHs at first, third and catcher. Their pitching scares me though, Sporting News just ranked them as the third best rotation in baseball behind Boston and Atlanta. Having to see both Peavey and Greinki all season does not bode well for an already weak offense
please don't mention Atlanta's rotation...
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Well, think of it this way
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By the way, I wonder where the Tigers’ rotation ranked. Just curious.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 19, 2009 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
I still don't wanna think about it...
I loved Jair.
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Too many question marks
to give a real prediction. Obviously we have to see what we can get out of Scherzer and I am hedging my bets there. The long term goal is for him to be a top the rotation guy, but if we don’t see it next year I’m not going to jump off a ledge. I have the same expectations for Porcello were as long as there is not a major regression I will be happy. I’m intrigued by the idea of giving Coke a shot at the rotation but I have no major expectations there either. If Bondo looks like he did as recently as ‘07, or Roberston looks like he did in ’06 or even Galarraga looks like he did in ’08 then we can definetly contend in our division. I expect the offense to be marginally better next year based primarily on how bad it was this year (hopefully nowhere to go but up). I don’t know if the expectation is for Austin Jackson to be the everyday centerfielder or not and if he isn’t I am not going to panic. My hope is that by some point in May Gullien is the everyday DH, Raburn is in LF and Maggs and Clete are platooning in RF. If there is anyone in our farm system that can help that’s great too. I expect Miggy to finish in the top 10 in MVP ballotting and JV to finish in the top 7 for the CY Young. The bullpen needs to be an open competition for everything. I expect if Jim has his way Zumuya will be the opening day closer which doesn’t worry me because I have zero faith in him staying healthy. I would like to see Perry, Coke and Schlerth at some point working the ninth and if anyone wins the job I’ll be all the happier. If I could sum up all of this in one idea it would be this: The team has enough question marks that I won’t be shocked if our final win total lands anywhere between 70-90 and I won’t be upset if we come out on the short end because I believe this team is preparing for 2011. I don’t need a left handed bat or a closer with experience to get me excited about next year. For me next year is all about this franchise preparing for a long and successful run with some fresh young arms, a star in waiting in CF, a superstar 1b and a legitimate ace already in place and all still well under the age of 30. I feel like an NBA fan some days thinking about how I don’t want to committ any additional money to this years team because we will have a ton of bad contracts coming off the books after 2010. I don’t have an eye on anyone specificly in the 2010-2011 free agent class but I can be content knowing that we will have enough payroll flexibilty that we can be active players in that market.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
Give me competitve...
If DD and Leyland came out tomorrow and said “hey, it’s a transitional year until all that bad money comes off the books, so enjoy it for what it is” I would jump for joy. They won’t. But that’s what they’re thinking.
So I’m good with them being at least interesting to watch. And frankly, I’d love for them to say “A-Jack, Sizemore and Iorg are all going to start a minimum of 120 games this season, we’re gonna see what they got.” That would make a trip to the Copa interesting this year!
And frankly, it’ll be nice to have a season where I’m not expecting a whole lot. They can’t surprise me in a bad way this time.
I agree
although I think it’s unlikely we will see Iorg since we resigned Everett and Santiago. I actually expect to see Sizemore play closer to 140 games and I’ll be curious to see where Jackson is after Spring training.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 18, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Iorg has to be in a position to learn the game and get better
not to be overwhelmed by major league pitching exposing him. He’s already been advanced too fast, there’s no way it should continue.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 18, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions
He's gonna need a lot of time to slowly progress
He’s been rushed WAY too quickly through the minors so far. But at this point, I agree with this.
He has some potential
But he needs discipline or a really high contact rate.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 19, 2009 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
Seems like I've been hearing about Iorg forever at this point.
Mostly because, as you say, he’s been throttled to the floor through the system.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 18, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
75-80 wins.
If everything works out, notably the health of our pitching staff and the injury-prone regulars, we could contend.
Our offense was bad in 2009, and it’s done nothing but get considerably worse this offseason. No one’s been able to tell me where the runs are going to come from. Miggy will almost surely lead the league in walks unless he becomes a Vlad-type hacker.
Minus trading Grandy
We haven’t gotten considerably worse offensively. We should expect a few players to rebound after having abnormally bad offensive seasons last year, and as unpopular an opinion as this may be, I think that Sizemore will provide the same, if not slightly greater, value than Polanco did with the bat.
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Couldn't hit anymore
Great fielder, bad bat that will only get worse.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I suddenly don't care for you.
Too soon
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 21, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions
Objective analysis is important too
Great guy, great clubhouse presence- I’ll miss the personality and the glove. But not the stick.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 11:52 PM EST up reply actions
81 wins
Offense should tread water. CF production will drop off. Production at corner outfield positions should pick up. Hard to get any worse than what Detroit got there before, honestly. Second base production has a chance of increasing.
Pitching should be a bit worse. I do think Porcello takes a step back after the workload increase he had last season. going forward, Scherzer is better than Jackson in my mind. But Jackson’s 2009 was a hard year to live up to, so that could see a step back. Not like the Tigers got a lot out of the 4th and 5th starters anyway. The bullpen will see a shuffle in names but I don’t really see any dropoff in output. Nor do I expect a big jump. The defense is a bit worse behind the pitching though, so that should result in a step back.
But the Tigers got lucky last year at times, and if that luck comes back to normal it’s more like hoping for 500 than anything else.
This looks about right too
I’d say the biggest surprises could come in the form of a busted contract recovering (probably either Bondo or Guillen, though there are major cases to make for both being lost causes) or a prospect (say, Luis Marte) stepping up in the rotation.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
If all else fails, we could employ the call-up merry-go-round
You know, call up a guy who is hot in the minors. If they get off to a good start in the bigs, milk them for all they’re worth and then when they start to struggle, send ’em back down and call someone else up.
A definite Plan B, for sure, if not Plan C. But baseball is war. I’m not above exploiting people.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 21, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
Hell
With the right minor league FA’s, a team might be able to get some production that way…
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if the Tigers could do a swap: Robertson for Harang.
Harang will be a FA after this season and costs 2 million more if I remember right. He could do a bounce back after being freed from Bakerville prison.

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