The Quest For Relief Stays Pricey
If the Detroit Tigers weren't already thinking that they should make an inside hire for next year's closer job, Mike Gonzalez and the Baltimore Orioles gave them another reason to strongly consider it.
Gonzalez agreed to a two-year, $12 million deal with the O's on Wednesday. The $6 million annual salary exceeds the $5 million Brandon Lyon will receive as part of his $15 million contract with the Astros. Incentives could push the contract's value up to $16 million, according to Yahoo! Sports' Tim Brown.
After fighting injuries the past two seasons, Gonzalez pitched in 80 games for the Atlanta Braves this year. He struck out 90 batters and walked 33 in 74.1 innings, also notching 10 saves and a 2.42 ERA.
Meanwhille, Fernando Rodney is still out there, waiting for a team to meet his price. Three years, $30 million? Even the Orioles, who reportedly had Rodney at the top of their closer shopping list, thought that was too much.
And what's the market for closers now? The number of teams in need of one is getting smaller. The Tigers are obviously on that list, though may be priced into looking at an in-house option. The Diamondbacks say they want to sign one. The Cubs, perhaps, if they don't think Carlos Marmol can cut it. The Nationals? The Pirates (who brilliantly non-tendered Matt Capps)?
Rodney and Jose Valverde are looking to cash in. And Capps might be the most attractive choice for teams hoping to avoid the big-money, multi-year deals those top free agent closers are seeking. Will prices begin to drop as openings continue to shrink? Or will teams eventually get a bit desperate and meet those demands?
Meanwhile, does Joel Zumaya or Ryan Perry look more attractive as the Tigers' closer next year, in light of the contracts free agent closers have been signing this winter?
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Save the cash...
Give the job to Perry. Closer is the single most overrated position in all of sport. Any relief pitcher who can throw a 95+ fastball for a strike about 80% of the time and has a half-decent out pitch can save 30 games. Yeah, some are better than others, but come on, Todd Jones(!) saved 319 games in his career and he couldn’t even throw hard!
Shiny!
That’s what ERA and Saves are to some people. Either the O’s had zero internal options and were forced to overpaid or they just flat out overpaid.
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That much for 2 years? This tells me that Matt Capps is officially going to be too expensive for us. Find the precious closer in the system.
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It's interesting
I swear the guys at MLB Trade Rumors, when the offseason first began, insisted that it would be a buyer’s market for closers because of the large number of relievers on the FA market and the relatively small number of teams in need of a closer. It sure hasn’t turned out that way. Are the Braves (and the 7 million they gave to Billy Wagner) to blame?
Oh, and I was somewhat intruiged by Matt Capps, but with ten or more teams being interested, it’s unlikely he’d agree to my terms.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Closers . . .
What you need from a closer is someone who can usually pitch an inning without drama. Someone who can do that of course is very useful, but not as useful as the guy you bring into the game with bases loaded and one out in the 8th.
Don't spend $$ on a closer
As expressed above, its the most overrated – and overpaid – position in baseball.
I’d much rather have a manager play matchups to close games than to rely on a designated guy to pitch the 9th and “manage to the stat” for their closer. Too often, closers are bad matchups and very few are truly more successful than average for an already statistically “easy” job in acquiring saves.
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Any thoughts on Kelvim Escobar?
He is coming off an injury. But he has said he wants to work out of the bullpen to save his shoulder.
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by rock n rye on Dec 17, 2009 11:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh, you see into the future
That post goes up at 12 noon.
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 17, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
The Future Conan?...
In the year 2000. In the year 2000…
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by rock n rye on Dec 17, 2009 11:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You're off by 1000 years!
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by Kurt Mensching on Dec 17, 2009 12:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
dang, thats right
I blame Jay Leno
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by rock n rye on Dec 17, 2009 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hell, I say, give the job to Dtrain!!!
We’re paying him anyways, What the heck, he only needs to get 3 outs!!!
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This.
Although, if it’s head issues that are the problem, putting him in a really high-leverage situation might not be a wonderful plan. But yeah, I’d really like to see this.
Possible issue: some pitchers have a “rotation clause” in their contract. I vaguely recall that he did, and it’s not the type of thing that ends up on Cot’s. It seems like he’d waive it, though, rather than spend another year in the minors.
As awesome as this would be to see, it would make a Rodney 9th seem as boring as taking Valium at a Philip Glass concert.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Dec 17, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
Not an expert on rotation clauses, but...
I do recall that he pitched a little bit out of the bullpen in ’08, and said he was willing to do so again during spring training this year.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
In house it is then.
Closers won’t get cheaper and Rodney isn’t going to chop his market price by over half. He might come down from his 3y/$30m number but not far enough for the Tigers at this point.
Closer by committee, here we go!
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Is that not the position we were in at the end of spring training?
And things worked out okay in the end.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, however
We had Rodney and Lyon on the team, both of which had closing experience. This time around it’s a bit different.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 17, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well, in 2008 the Rays got all the way to the World Series largely on closer-by-commitee (using guys with limited save experience) because Troy Percival was injured most of the time
So it can be done, I suppose. Still, I think the ideal situation would be to bring in an under-the-rader veteran for the beginning of the year (maybe someone like Kelvim Escobar, though I still have to do a bit more research before I do more than bring up the name) and slowly work one of our guys in to the point where they’re the one closing by the end of the season/postseason.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I don't really care for Escobar
I didn’t like Capp being mentioned either. We’re really stretching the bottom of the barrel out at this point. It’s been diminishing returns since Putz signed in the closer market, and it’s not getting prettier as the days roll on. I feel like if we were going to jump on someone, we would have done so by now.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 17, 2009 2:04 PM EST up reply actions
It's almost as if DD is waiting for the market to sort itself out in an attempt to get someone once supply exceeds demand
I believe it’s down to us and the Nationals as teams who are still looking for a closer. Now if only other teams would stop screwing stuff up by signing closers to be setup men…
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 17, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions
There's not a whole lot left without a standout closer
But plenty of teams are looking to add a closer-type pitcher for various reasons. The market is slimmer than it was at the end of the winter meetings but it still exists. I don’t know if Rodney will get his big money but he’ll land somewhere for at least Lyon money.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 17, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions
Closer search/wait til next year
While many people still think the Tigers can compete next year, the prevailing thought in my mind is that we are gearing up for 2011 and beyond. If that is the case, wouldn’t you want to spend this year finding the “closer of the future” from a young, in-house option?
Isn’t experience going to be the best thing for finding out who can take the mound in the 9th? I say this now and then watch as we throw out young guys, shake their confidence by sending them out there too early and then have to spend money on an outside option in 2011 anyways. I’ll take the blame for that one.
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Closer shot
Why not give Jeremy Bonderman a shot at closer. Convert him like Kerry Wood or John Smoltz. IF his arm isn’t strong enough to maintain starter status give him a shot out of the pen…
This seems to be picking up support lately.
I just don’t know what to think about it.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 18, 2009 1:53 AM EST up reply actions
my reasoning is this...
He’s got 2 pitches. If he’s truly healed up and his pitches are back to where they were, than he’ll be fine there. 2nd, Bondo is not going to succumb to any pressure the closing job has. He’s been a starter his whole career but maybe closer is where he should be going.
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Okay, but...
As many have pointed out over the past week, the Tigers have a lot of reliever candidates. How many prospective starters are there? So if Bondo moves to the bullpen, who takes what could be (I emphasize “could be”) the third or fourth spot in the rotation?
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 18, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions
I'm thinking you mean 4th or 5th spot...
and you’re right, we have a surplus of relievers but not so much of the starters. But you have Scherzer/schlereth(I can’t remember who’s who, to similar of names), Porcello, and JV as your top 3 starters. After them it’s a fight for two spots among Galarraga, Robertson, Minor, Dontrelle, and possibly Phil Coke.
But really this is a matter of where Bondermans arm is at physically and whether or not the Tigers believe he can continue to be an effective starter with only 2 pitches.
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didn't finish my thought from the first paragraph...
So 4-5 guys right there competing for 2 spots. Plus you can still add Bonderman to the mix for it as well.
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Frankyl, I would dump 6 run Nate, keep Bonderman in the rotation as he was a reliable workhorse when he was healthy (team rushed him back to soon last season) keep Bonine in the rotation as well and move Galaraga to the pen (even though I like his arm, I think he is better suited for long relief now). Until Dontrelle gets his head and his game together he should not even be in the mix for anything.
we'll see how they look in spring training
I don’t think anyone can take more than a guess right now what any of them will look like.
Bonderman was recovering from a blood clot surgery and a rib removed. That might slow a guy down a bit, both before and after it’s discovered, it’s like not like you bounce back from that in six months. I don’t think any pitcher has bounced back immediately in prior form after having the surgeries done.
Robertson had growths in his elbow and pitched much better after they were found and removed. Is his rotation material? Maybe, maybe not.
But writing both guys off before spring training even arrives seems rather premature.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 18, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
Zumaya, If Only to Buy Time
If he stays healthy, Ryan Perry is going to be a great closer. Not a good closer, but a great closer.
But not quite yet. He’s still working on refining his repertoire and gaining command of his fastball, which might take another year of development.
In the meantime, throw Zumaya out there. That’s not a bad option, actually.
If (when?) Zumaya gets hurt, give Schlereth a chance. Is Brad Thomas a longshot?
The driver is Perry’s development. He made a lot of strides last year. When he gets command and consistency, he’s going to be one bad-ass closer now.
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by Kurt Mensching on Dec 20, 2009 11:32 AM EST reply actions
Well, off he goes then.
At this point, I’m not beating myself up for not grabbing a FA closer if I’m DD.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 20, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
he would've been nice...
but not really necessary.
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