Tigers trade Dusty Ryan to the Padres
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 22, 2009 10:44 AM EST
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**Rewritten by MackAveKurt due to plagiarism issues**
The Detroit Tigers will receive either cash or a player to be named later from the Padres in exchange for minor league catcher Dusty Ryan. The backup catcher for the Tigers for portions of the 2009 season, and the starter in September of 2008 following the trade of Ivan Rodriguez, Ryan was removed from the Tigers' 40-man roster earlier in the month.
Ryan hit .257 with an OPS of .723 in 27 career games with Detroit. He had two home runs and 11 RBI. He had an .814 OPS and .257 average across 63 games in 2009 with the Triple-A Toledo Mudhens.
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A little bit sad. I kinda liked Dusty Ryan
I wonder what left-handed reliever we’ll be getting from the Padres.
He might actually have a chance to start for the Padres next year.
Either way, at least he’ll get to play. Good for him.
Well, gee
Johnny Bench would have problems earning trust if he got 10 PA a month or whatever ridiculous amount of PT that Ryan got.
We got boned. Royally.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
Eh.
I saw him play at Toledo a couple times. I don’t know if I just caught him on a bad day (stats suggest possibly so) but he just didn’t wow me behind the plate.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 21, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
He was no worldbeater
But come on- he’s better than Jason Kendall.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
debating dusty ryan to the Tigers is like debating the value of a penny
it’s insignificant.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 21, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
*sigh
This, unfortunately, seems to be the prevailing opinion of the front office. Ryan has the ability to be a second division starter- he’s already better than the Jason Kendall/Paul Lo Duca/Brian Schneider’s of the world, and he’s got more upside than, say, the burned out husk that is Pudge Rodriguez. Good power, good arm, passable discipline and contact rates… not the best ball blocker, but for the minimum could have saved Laird’s legs (and we wouldn’t have had to sign anyone else AND Alex Avila could get some regular AB’s in Toledo knowing that there was nothing incredibly special in his way). We gave away a decent player for junk, and I’m sorry if I get worked up over that, but it infuriates me.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what you feel about TigsTown writer Mark Anderson
but he spends a lot of time diving deep into the Tigers minor leagues, and his feeling on it was
Ryan has garnered quite the belief among fans of the Tigers, and its really not all that warranted. He’s not terribly durable, his defense is solid (mostly given his arm strength and leadership) but there are glaring weaknesses in his receiving and game calling, not to mention blocking, and his offense has more holes than swiss cheese. He may well be a serviceable backup catcher at some point, but right now I’d say he’s behind Laird, Avila, and Diaz on the pecking order for 2010, and personally, I’d be inclined to take Jeff Kunkel over him as my MLB backup.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 21, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
The remark about his game calling is interesting
I remember when he was called up back in 2008, there was quite a bit of talk on either the TV or radio broadcasts (can’t remember which, might have been both) about how “good” a game caller he was, and that the pitchers were raving about him. Now, I know to take stuff said by Tigers broadcasters with a grain of salt, but that’s a real glaring difference.
As kind of an aside, how does one measure game calling? I have a particular fascination with catchers, but it seems like game calling would be very difficult to quantify. I mean, you could have a catcher who is a terrific game caller but he’s on a team with an awful pitching staff that can’t execute the pitches he calls, and on the flipside, you could have a catcher who is not that good a game caller but the pitching staff is so good it doesn’t matter (though I think this scenario is far less likely unless your pitching staff is extremely vetern-laden).
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 21, 2009 8:18 PM EST up reply actions
next to finding a better defense stat, that's really the holy grail
Does game calling exist for real? Intuition tells you it does. But eyeballing the stats seems to show it doesn’t. There’s no consistency. But so many moving parts, who knows who’s fault the inconsistency is?
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 21, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately when it comes to catcher’s game calling or defense, it’s such a subjective thing that it can vary wildly from scout-to-scout.
I never thought of Ryan as a long-term starter, but I never understood why he didn’t at least get a chance. Some of the choices made by the organization are puzzling to me (giving player A plenty of chances to prove he’s not a regular vs. not giving Player B that same opportunity).
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I don't know
I still believe in his power production- and his cheapness. I don’t know if he’ll be a good catcher, but he’s at least worth a win or so.
FWIW, Fangraphs had him as their #11 prospect.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 21, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Love me some Fangraphs.com
my advice to anyone who hasn’t been to the site is to head over there, so many numbers!
by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Dec 21, 2009 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
I’ve not soured on Dusty as a prospect, he’s still the same guy I saw in 2004 (which is both good and bad)….he’s got power, defensive tools, a strong arm, and a clue at the plate….but some of the other things you might have looked forward to developing to round out the package, things like shortening or compacting the swing, becoming better on balls in the dirt and on receiving breaking balls, etc., just never happened….which in turn keeps him from developing from a big league backup into a more significant big league contributor.
The Tigers removed a backup catcher from the 40-man roster, nothing more than that…..this isn’t a big deal.
As for him against Fangraphs … if I want to learn about Tigers prospects, I’m going to read the guy whose job is to immerse himself in the Tigers. If I want a thumbnail sketch of all baseball prospects, I’m going to look at sites like BP or Fangraphs.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 22, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions
I'd kindly respond
By saying the same thing you told me a while ago in a thread regarding expert opinion. I’m not swayed when an argument is solely based on an appeal to authority, especially when other authorities are willing to step up and repudiate that one.
Even if we assume that the Tigers gave up a backup catcher for nothing (the PTBNL will probably be fringy), we just gave up a younger player (with arguably more upside) under club control for longer in return for an older player with little upside under control for a short term period (Robinson Diaz- signed on a minor league contract). In the short run, the difference may be negligible, but moves like these can add up quickly.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 22, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
Isn’t Heath Bell available for trade?
Obviously I don’t think we’re getting him in this trade, but maybe we could try to sweeten the pot with some cash or another player?
Not a chance
Not in the slightest.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 22, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions
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