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Polanco, Lyon, and Rodney the Worst Free Agent Signings?

I don't think you could exactly split Detroit Tigers fans down the middle, regarding the free agents that the team has lost this offseason. But I know there's some difference of opinion.

Some people didn't like letting Placido Polanco go, and don't like the idea of embracing the unknown with a rookie second baseman next year. And while I think many fans are generally okay with Brandon Lyon and Fernando Rodney move on (especially with the contracts each player received), there are some concerns about where this leaves the Tigers' bullpen.

But were the contracts that these now-former the three worst free agent contracts handed out this offseason? Tim Dierkes of MLB Trade Rumors puts them atop his list of the five worst:

  • Placido Polanco, Phillies - three years, $18MM.  Where was the demand for a 34-year-old second baseman coming off a .727 OPS?  What other club would've offered even one or two years at $5MM per?
  • Brandon Lyon, Astros - three years, $15MM.  Lyon's not a bad pitcher, but this commitment is excessive.  He's not a high strikeout guy, and his '09 control was a career-worst.
  • Fernando Rodney, Angels - two years, $11MM.  What would Rodney have gotten without the 37 saves?  I have a reliever, 33 in March, who posted a 4.40 ERA, 7.3 K/9, and 4.9 BB/9.  Can I find a one-year, $2MM offer?

Agree? Disagree? Does this make you feel any better about the Tigers letting those three players walk? Or might it confirm what you already thought?

(Thanks to CoreyMichaelDC for sending this along via e-mail. After his new member waiting period is finished, he'll hopefully be contributing more comments and discussion to the BYB community.)

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I think the Phillies overpaid

But they will probably still see better returns on Polanco than the Angels will on Rodney or the Astros with Lyon.

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by 13194013 on Dec 29, 2009 3:56 PM EST reply actions  

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by David Tokarz on Dec 29, 2009 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Frick

I meant to say that I’d agree if and only if he was playing 2B… but Polly doesn’t have the stick for third.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 29, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, troll repellent

It got out of hand at the end of the season, so I implemented a waiting period. Subject to change at any time, of course, but so far, it seems to be working well.

by Ian Casselberry on Dec 29, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions  

In agreement with MLBTR

Well overpaid on all three. Polanco’s contract is most reasonable and he fits well with the Phillies, but you have to agree with demondeaconsbaseball… Not much power for their 3B.

by TMadison25 on Dec 29, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions  

Somewhat Agree With All Three

I love Polanco, and hated to see him go, but he didn’t play a single game at third last year, so that’s a bit of a risk for the Phils. Three years for Lyon? Silly. Rodney didn’t get his outrageous initial $30 mill over three year deal for which he campaigned, not by a long shot. His deal was probably more within range than Polanco or Lyon. (Although personally, I thought Polanco a bit underpaid here, so I’m happy to see him get a big payday.)

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by VivaTigres on Dec 29, 2009 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Tiger reaction?

What would be our reaction if the Tigers had signed any of these guys for the same terms? I would’ve said they’d overpaid again.
I’m sorry to see all three go, to a point, but also very pleased that we didn’t make those types of committments…this will obviously be a “transition” season to make up for the mistakes we already have on the books….

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by rings on Dec 29, 2009 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with vivatigers,

Polly probably did sign for more than what he is worth, but the Phillies along with the Tigers know exactly how huge he comes through, and what a baseball player he is. The only thing he doesn’t do is hit for power, which i can see ten to fifteen homers this year for him…and also, its not like the Phillies are starving for HR, Howard, Utley, Ibanez, Werth, Rollins, and Ruiz (though I don’t know if he is still on the team) all have the potential to go yard.

by Fien SHOULD CLOSE on Dec 29, 2009 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

What would Rodney have gotten without the 37 saves?

What a completely moronic question! Given that a closer’s role is defined as “the guy that comes in to save a game”, how the hell do you blithely ignore the fact that Rodney saved 37 in 38 chances?

Maybe he is overpaid. But I’m thinking that as we go through bullpen by committee, and see the Tigers suffer through 3 or 4 blown saves by the end of May, we’ll be pining for the days where we knew we were going to go through hell, but emerge only slightly singed at the end of the game.

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by ahtrap on Dec 29, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

Because saves don't tell you the whole story.

Saves are generally meaningless; a shiny statistic that does not tell you that Rodney tends to walk a good chunk of players, gives up plenty of hits and is a middling reliever. His best year was 2005 but every year hence he has been a bit wild and gives up too many hits and too many walks for his “closer” role.

Closers are a luxury; it’s been said time and time again. Unless you have a near sure thing like Rivera or Nathan you don’t want to overpay for specialist. Rodney is a specialist and a poor one at that; closers are made they are not suddenly created out of dirt or clay.

Spring Training will go a long way to showing who will get the nod for the final innings of the game. I don’t get this Stockholm Syndrome for a reliever who is not all that good. Are people that afraid of younger players? If you don’t play your young players all you do is over pay for vastly overrated players like Rodney.

by 13194013 on Dec 29, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

No, you'll see . . .

Zumaya or Perry or one of the others will work out just fine—we’ll know which by the end of spring training. You forget our despair contemplating Rodney as the closer last year, but that worked out okay. Closers aren’t that hard to make out of decent relief pitchers, and right now we have a lot of decent relief pitchers.

by rea on Dec 29, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

The one stat I would like to see

Of those 37 saves, in how many did he allow the tying run to get into scoring position?

In ‘09, he was the definition of "bend, but don’t break" and considering all factors and possibilities that baseball brings, Rodney is extremely lucky to have the coin come up in his favor 37 out of the 38 save situations he came into.

by Elfuego51 on Dec 30, 2009 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm sorry to see those guys go . . .

. . . but my god, of course we couldn’t give them those kinds of contracts. I dearly love Polanco, but I don’t think he’ll be worth $6 million in the 2012 season, just for example.

by rea on Dec 29, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions  

I have to agree that Detroit wasn't going to pay what these guys wanted.

I think we will miss Polanco’s glove a great deal (and so will our starters). But he earned a big paycheck and wasn’t going to get it in Detroit. I’m happy for him.
I would have preferred that DD tried a little harder to keep Lyon because I thought he was outstanding in ‘09. Perhaps there was no way to keep him, I just don’t know.
Rodney wanted the moon and didn’t quite reach it, but he is the LAAngles’ problem now. I just can’t say that I will miss him.
Did those clubs over pay? Right now I would say “yes” to all three. I don’t think Polly has 3 years left in him of the high caliber play he gave Detroit. Rodney will continue to be a roller coaster and he isn’t even slated to close. I just don’t see this one at all. Lyon was paid the right amount, but for too long.

by murrajo on Dec 30, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions  

Polanco was a good MLB player: how many closers had 37 saves in 38 tries but more important who did Dumbo get to replace these guys for his loser mgr. He signed a BP catcher for his GCL Tigers. Who wants my Jose Guillen game jersey?

by Giant Tiger on Dec 30, 2009 3:32 AM EST reply actions  

Replacements

Polly’s replacement looks like Sizemore. Personally, I’ll miss Polly, but I’m happy to see the team promoting from within. If Sizemore doesn’t work out, I think Santiago is a reliable option.

Rodney and Lyon will hopefully be replaced by the kid from Arizona (Schlereth), Coke and Zumaya (fingers crossed) along with an increased role from Perry. I also foresee an experienced bullpen signing in January or February. There are several decent RP still out there and the market for late inning RP’s is drying up. I don’t think we’ll be signing a proven “closer” like Valverde, but there are decent pitchers that can help fill the late innings that will sign for probably 2-3M on a one year deal when the season gets closer.

by momotigers on Dec 30, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst GM in MLB and perhaps the worst Mgr.

Dumbo has made a few good trades, a bundle of horrible ones, wasted a decent farm system, and blown more money than anyone but GM. Leyland blows hot air defending Dontrelle Willis and talks small ball but does none of it and blows at least two division leads while landing in last place too often. BTW this same organization with a miser for an owner had the best club in the AL in the mid 1930’s in a depression worse than this one. How do you like them apples?

by Giant Tiger on Dec 30, 2009 3:40 AM EST reply actions  

defends Dontrelle?

and last place too often?

I don’t remember him defending Dontrelle too often. He hasn’t played enough on the Tigers Major League team to get defended for anything. And as far as I can see we’ve only been in last place once since jim has been coach. In fact in our worst season with Jim as head coach we still managed 75 wins, that’s not a horrible number for a last place team in a division.

As for Dave Dombrowski, nobody doubts that some of the contracts that he has handed out lately have been bad. Very, very bad. But to call him the worst in the MLB right now is kinda ludicrous. First off, any GM that has won a WS ring and made another WS appearance (each with a different team) is automatically better than worst. Second, bad things happen. Injuries and what not can make any contract all of a sudden turn bad. They’re unpredictable. He’ll be a bad GM when he fails to recover from his mistakes. Personally, I think he’s on the right track so far.

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by madpoopz on Dec 30, 2009 9:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a troll spouting off things to get a rise out of people.

I think I want to make a shirt called: SHINY SAVES and list a ton of closers and their best season save total.

by 13194013 on Dec 30, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

haha...

but he has 3 comments total. he’s obviously been here awhile.

and I like the shirt idea. You can put rollercoaster girl on the front.

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by madpoopz on Dec 30, 2009 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Okay, I'll bite..
BTW this same organization with a miser for an owner

In 2008 the Tigers’ payroll was $138,000,000 (3rd in MLB) and in 2009 it was $115,000,000 (5th in MLB). It may not have been money well spent, but it was spent!

The Tigers won the WS in 1935, but the Yankees won it in 1936, 37, 38, 39. No doubt the 1935 team was good, but I would say that the Yankees were the “best club in the AL in the mid 1930’s”.

DD has made some decisions that I’m sure he regrets (who hasn’t) but at least the team he puts on the field is good enough to contend.

Leyland took a team most considered a basement dweller and took it to 1 out away from the playoffs.

Maybe they could do more, but we know they did that.

by murrajo on Dec 30, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Good post

I agree with murrajo. Dumbrowski has essentially takent he mess given to him by R. Smith (poor MLB club and NO prospects) and turned our franchise into a team that has contented in just about every year (except 2008). As a fan, that’s about all I can realistically ask for.

Dumbrowski’s “bad” moves were all made at about the same time in the same environment. He signed shaky starters (Willis, Bondo, Robo) to 4-year deals (give or take a year). After that, each pitcher had the problems which we are all aware of.

Dumbrowski takes a bad rap for those deals, but consider the time in which those deals were made. The economy was reasonably healthy and baseball salaries were consistently escalating. Had the economy held and salaries continued to rise, a pitcher with Bondo or Robo’s 2006 season would have demanded 15M on the market. To retain them for about 10M per year actually seemed like a deal back then. I don’t think they were terrible deals at the time (although Willis had shown signs of falling apart with the Marlins), but they have certainly turned out that way.

by momotigers on Dec 30, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

First, I think that this has to be considered a depressed market for free agency. I know that most of us regular Joe’s are appalled by the dollars given to MLB players, but this winter is a relative bargain. The #2 hitter on the market, Bay just signed for about 15M, which is low in most years. Holliday is looking at a similar figure, but longer contract. Compare those figures to 2006-2008 and most contracts are looking reasonable. It may not be the same next season, so even though Polly will be a year older, I bet he could make a better two year deal next year than the remainder of his three year deal will pay him. Rodney has good stuff and a proven ability to handle the end of game. Although we didn’t always feel comfortable with him, 5.5M per year isn’t too bad for the quality fastball and changeup you are getting in return. Lyon pitched well last year, but I do think that the Astros may regret that contract in year #2 or #3. I still remember the first half of the season and worry that it could extend into a whole season as he gets older.

by momotigers on Dec 30, 2009 12:11 PM EST reply actions  

I agreed that they are all bad contracts

Rodney did indeed have 37 saves, but like a previous post I have always thought that saves were an often misunderstood statistic. Fernando reminded me alot of Aurelio Lopez, a fairly steafy pitcher that could often be dominant but was never a long term solution. If the Angels use him as a set up man he could be very succesful. But given how poor his 2008 season was I would not have gambled two years and 11 million bucks on him.

The dollars for Polanco were not unreasonable, but I thought Philly signed him a little soon. I did not hear a hell of alot of interest from other teams. Switching infield positions is always a gamble (remember Carlos Guillen at third base) and extending him three years was a bit much.

The Lyon deal was simply crazy. Five years for a guy that could not take the closer job from Fernando Rodney? Five years for a guy that I believe only had a couple of one year offers last January? Me thinks that Lyon will become Houston’s “Dontrelle Willis” contract that they will regret quickly, maybe as soon as this season.

by Michigan Jim on Dec 31, 2009 10:05 AM EST reply actions  

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