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Jackson to D-Backs Rumors Picking Up Steam?

National baseball writers seemed to be going crazy today (especially on Twitter) chasing Edwin Jackson rumors and mentions throughout the lobby at the Indianapolis Marriott. (Fanhouse's Ed Price was particularly notable with his trade rumor hokey-pokey.)

But one rumor that appears to be picking up steam, based on what several reporters are hearing, is that the Arizona Diamondbacks are emerging as a front-runner in pursuit of Jackson.

The Arizona Republic's Nick Piecoro believes the D-Backs are "making a very strong push," though haven't made much progress. Max Scherzer would presumably be the key piece coming to Detroit. But one big problem is that Scherzer is under team control for five more seasons, two of which would be under the league minimum. Jackson has two more years before free agency, but will be paid handsomely over the next two seasons (perhaps as much $15 million). 

So to make this happen, a third team might have to get involved. And as Matthew Pouliot writes at Circling the Bases, this is why Curtis Granderson has been linked with Jackson in several of these recent trade rumors.

So how might a deal work? A third team would probably have to be involved. Scherzer would have to be attractive to the Tigers, perhaps attractive enough to get them to part with Curtis Granderson as well. Maybe if the Cubs sent Angel Guzman to Detroit and Sean Marshall and a prospect or two to Arizona? The Angels want Granderson as well and would be another team that could get involved.

Yes, there's a bit too much "maybe" in there, and this is largely the sort of speculation that's gotten a bit tiresome over the past month. But it also goes toward explaining what the Tigers are trying to accomplish, and what kinds of negotiations may be going on, especially now that these general managers are face-to-face at the Winter Meetings.

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Pouliot's theory is the one that makes the most sense

Good job on picking that one to focus on, Ian. As you said there is a lot of “maybe” in that circle and it really would be a perfect storm of all three parties agreeing on it.

However this doesn’t make it OK. I’m fine with the idea of parting with Jackson, but Granderson is too much. You can’t just deal a guy like that away even for a guy like Scherzer.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, if I'm reading this correctly...

…the Tigers would give up both Jackson and Grandy and only end up with Scherzer and Guzman (who I had to look up, by the way). I don’t care how talented Scherzer is, that is not nearly enough to warrant giving up Granderson, much less both Grandy and EJ.

by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 7, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions  

scherzer

he is a great prospect but is not worth both jackson and granderson. maybe just jackson but definetly not granderson.

by David7 on Dec 7, 2009 10:38 PM EST reply actions  

Scherzer is going to be better than Jackson

But it just doesn’t add up to have Granderson a part of that unless we get another prospy or three in the mix from one of the two clubs…

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by Packey on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

yep.

doesn’t make much sense.

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by madpoopz on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

We'd have to get a hell of al ot to include the two of them

But Jackson for Scherzer is a great deal.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Holy smokes.

No wonder the Diamondbacks weren’t telling Piecoro anything. Look at what Rosenthal and Morosi just reported.

by StringTheory on Dec 7, 2009 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Goodness String, you're not kiddin..

Sources: Yanks have discussed big trade — 10:46 p.m.

This would be a blockbuster.

The Yankees, Diamondbacks and Tigers have discussed a three-way trade that would send Tigers center fielder Curtis Granderson to New York and right-hander Edwin Jackson to Arizona, major-league sources say.

The other players in the trade are not known, and the talks are at an impasse, according to one source. The proposed deal is being pushed by the D-Backs, but was rejected by at least one of the other two teams, the source says. — Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi

by KidRick48 on Dec 7, 2009 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Wrong? No.

I don’t think it was us though, if you believe Granderson has been shopped at all.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you?

First we hear he is, then we hear he isn’t.

by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 7, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think DD has been going room to room and saying as much

However DD is not a GM that is deaf to all offers. He’ll listen to any reasonable offer sent his way. In modern journalism, DD is a writer’s dream during these meetings: you can write about almost anything involving his players because it probably was something he discussed at some point today.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what passes as shopping in the rumor frenzy

Honestly, I’ve been reading MLBTR all day long. All the other mentions of deals are gigantic snoozers. This is the big fish they’re all chasing this season.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

The team was Detroit

The Yanks will not give up Austin Jackson, and I don’t have a clue why. Kid’s a second division starter with a billion question marks.

How about Jackson and a prospect (one of our good bullpen arms) for Scherzer?

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the teams rejected it?

It’s gotta be Detroit in this case. I don’t think they’re willing to part with Grandy for just anyone – they’ve got specific targets and are going to drag it out as long as possible until DD gets what he wants for Curtis or he’s not pulling the trigger. That’s a wild thought though, if those two were to be traded, at once, think of the haul the Tigers would get in return. It would have to be absolutely incredible!

by KidRick48 on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Or, and this is what I'm afraid of...

it would be 5 prospects. And we’d become the Pirates.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the issue

You have to find someone to play CF right now. We’ve already lost a premeir 2B, I don’t think losing a premeir fielder with absolutely no heir-apparent is a good idea.

The Yankees-Tigers rumors flying around earlier hinged on a ready-to-start CF coming from New York in return for Granderson. Reports said that trade broke down as a result of New York’s unwillingness to part with said CF. This feels like that rumor rolled with the Jackson-Scherzer rumor.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions  

And it ain't Casper Wells.

and God knows we can’t put Raburn out there.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly.

Detroit has no intersystem replacement for Granderson. It simply does not exist. It would have to come from New York or Arizona, and Arizona doesn’t have anyone that would fit the bill. I’m betting Cashman shot this thing down.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Depends on the five prospects

Give me five of the A’s best or five of the Rangers, and I might be cool with a year of rebuild.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope.

Prospects hit and miss. Mostly miss. We need major league players.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

Seriously? Even if prospects fail at a 60 percent rate, we get two major leaguers out of that group.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I just am uneasy trading established front-line players...

for popcorn. Some pop, some don’t. And you end up being the Pirates or Marlins.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

The Marlins have won more championshps in the past 20 years than the Tigers

You could also end up like the A’s or D-Backs- two of the most competitive teams of the past decade built on homegrown players.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

The Marlins won their first title...

by buying huge contracts and then having the fire sale.

03 was a perfect storm.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

And how do you get major league players without gathering prospects.

You can’t have it both ways. Not to say trading for only prospects is a good idea but you do need to refill at some point.

by 13194013 on Dec 7, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

I’m not saying we should sell, I’m saying we should sell if the price is right.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

We need players who can start Opening Day.

Our lineup card is frightening, and it’s far worse without Grandy.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This.

The team in 2010 becomes weaker with this move as-written.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Not with this squad

We were 12 innings away from making the playoffs this year. No reason to cash in and rebuild over a couple seasons.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Unless we get an incrediby epic deal

Like if the Braves offer us Heyward and pitching.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

(which will never happen)

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

If the rumors are true...

…and Detroit is indeed shopping Granderson around, I’d have to say the team that rejected it was the Yankees. This would absolutely have to involve their Jackson that for some reason New York views as a blue chip prospect they don’t want to let out of their system.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

They just updated it with what the Tigers would have received:
The Tigers would get right-hander Max Scherzer from the Diamondbacks, and center fielder Austin Jackson and left-handed relievers Phil Coke and Michael Dunn from the Yankees.

by StringTheory on Dec 7, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

That deal sucks.

I don’t want to lose a starting centerfielder and a number 2 starter for two prospects, and decent pitcher, and Phil freaking Coke.

No thanks.

by rook34 on Dec 7, 2009 11:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Let me rephrase that

Starting CF and #2-3 starter for an ace and garbage.

Still no thanks.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Aye.

More definites and less maybes in offers.

by 13194013 on Dec 7, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Jackson isn't a 2

He’s a middle rotation guy with potential but still plenty of question marks.

by 13194013 on Dec 7, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, we don't know for sure.

If he can repeat his 2009 performance (and the trend from his 2008 season indicates he will at least come even to that mark) he could be a #2 guy in this questionable Tigers rotation.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

True, I shouldn't have spoken in such definite terms.

Jackson is tempting but I don’t think he’s a cornerstone for the Tigers right now; not if they can trade him to address some major organizational weaknesses.

by 13194013 on Dec 7, 2009 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There's only one cornerstone for the rotation

He throws 100mph in the 7th inning of a CG. 2009 taught me to question anything that even sniffs the rotation that isn’t named Verlander.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

That's better than I expected.

Scherzer and Coke are two great hurlers, there’s no doubt about that. Dunn seems to be alright at first glance but still… to give up both Jackson and Granderson in this trade, it’s too much for too little.

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Meh

Coke is a major league reliever. Scherzer is a stud. Dunn is a 25 year old Lefty RP in AA (converted OF).

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Dear Dave Dombrowski

WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE F*CKING RELIEF PROSPECTS! YOU WENT AND DRAFTED A F*CKLOAD IN 2008- DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? WHERE YOU WASTED A WHOLE G-DDAMN DRAFT ON RELIEF PITCHERS?

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM EST reply actions  

Jesus

I’m sorry, but does nobody look at the org depth chart?

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by David Tokarz on Dec 7, 2009 11:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Who said it was DD's idea?

They keep saying that it was the D’Backs who were strongly pushing this thing

by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 7, 2009 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

And DDBB has snapped.

Call it, 11:21pm Monday of winter meetings.

I don’t blame you

by john.kmiecik on Dec 7, 2009 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Oops, didn't realize you were talking about a BYBer

I thought you guys had some other nickname for Dave Dombrowski that I didn’t know about. I was just about to scream “WHAT HAPPENED?!?!?!?!”

by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 7, 2009 11:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude...

You have no idea the week I’m having. I’m about to do a Nerf-based drive-by on a couple people…

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by David Tokarz on Dec 8, 2009 12:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Do not mess with my Raider

35 round drum magazine with slam fire- it’s the child’s Tommy Gun.

Wow, we’re really going off topic here…

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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 1:47 AM EST up reply actions  

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