The Deal is Almost Done
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 8, 2009 2:55 PM EST
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The three-way trade between the Detroit Tigers, Arizona Diamondbacks, and New York Yankees appears to be just about done. The pieces have been agreed to by each team. All that's left, according to several reports, is for medical records for the players involved to be reviewed. When discussions get to that point, it's almost a formality.
So here's how the trade shakes down, from most accounts:
- The Tigers get centerfielder Austin Jackson and reliever Phil Coke from the Yankees, along with pitchers Max Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth from the D-Backs.
- The Diamondbacks receive Edwin Jackson from Detroit and pitcher Ian Kennedy from the Yankees.
- The Yankees get Curtis Granderson.
However, the deal isn't yet official. In fact, there's some disagreement as to whether Schlereth is part of the deal. ESPN.com's report doesn't have Schlereth going to Detroit. But all other reports (for example, this one) seem to indicate that he's included. That's not an insignificant point.
More to come, once the deal becomes cross the t's, dot the i's official. But for now, it looks like this thing is about done.
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If we don't get Scherleith I'm cutting DD's nuts off
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He could probably do it next year
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i doubt it
leyland doesnt let young guys close.
i think we’ll get lyon to close
Based on what I've seen, probably not yet
More like two years.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:06 PM EST up reply actions
Schlereth is a hard thrower in the high 90s
Who hits about 97 on his fb and has a good breaking pitch. He’s a good young arm. Or so I’ve read. He’d better be part of this trade and he probably will be the closer either this year or next. A young Billy Wagner I’d say.
i know i'm probably the only one
but i still believe that zumaya will close and this year will be his coming out party
If he stays healthy, he definitely has the potential to do it
Not everyone around here hates Zumaya’s guts. Most, but not all. I still like him.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
What happens in July?
When he goes down with arm problems?
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Is this double D's blog?
C’mon man…you know Dave Dumba$$ki believes that every year & it usually end with elbow surgery.
So what’s Mike Cameron up to thses days?
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Dec 8, 2009 3:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Hey-oo
That could be the next move here.
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 8, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
Anyone else concerned
That our entire lineup is either RH or Switch? There’s not a single Lefty starter left, and Clete does not count. Wtf
Pity the Rockies weren't interested
They have some very talented young lefty/switch hitters, which is why I got intrigued when I heard the Tigers had talked to the Rockies.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Could send them Bobby Seay for something
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It'd take more than just Bobby Seay, though
I wouldn’t mind flipping Coke + ?? to them for one of their OFs (not Hawpe). And ?? better not be named “Cabrera” or “Verlander.”
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bobby Seay and... hmm
Maybe Ryan Streiby?
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Seay, Coke, and Streiby for one of their young OFs?
Sounds good to me. But highly unrealistic.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
I want to cry
at the thought of losing Curtis Granderson — and to the Yankees!!! Argh!
Okay, someone was going to do that eventually
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Sure you do
For having the courage to do it first
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Hope for a good 2010, hope for a better 2011.
As I said last thread.
We’ve got two+ days left of winter meetings and $5.5m just came off the 2010 books. Might help snag up a lefty somewhere.
Say this guy with the same name as a popular board game company. He’d cost $11m, which still might be a bit north of what the Tigers would be willing to spend. Might be better on a lesser name.
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If Bradley comes over
a bad contract is going to go the other way too… Chicago desparately wants this guy gone, and if that means taking a dontrelle willis or nate robertson back, I think they will do it
Keep Guillen
We’ve got enough problems in the outfield right now as it is. We don’t need to spread the kids even thinner out there.
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So how does your outfield look in left and center?
By all reports, Austin Jackson is probably not ready to start.
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Hmm
With Bradley:
RF: Ordonez
CF: Wells
LF: Bradley/Raburn
DH:Bradley/resting players
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That's assuming Bradley
Which, god please, happens. Without him though I’m not sure what we do.
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Jackson, maybe.
Gets on base, low slugging, kinda fast.
I don't want to hear any weak sh*t from Jason Grilli.
by cherub_daemon on Dec 8, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't exactly have a leadoff hitter before
Just because the guy is slotted in the one spot doesn’t mean he’s a great leadoff hitter or should even be there in the first place.
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Is Josh Anderson available...
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I don't think AJAX is Opening Day ready
Especially at leadoff. He just doesn’t strike me as a leadoff man. Less so than Granderson did.
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I think Sizemore has batted leadoff before
At least, I believe he did in the Mud Hens games I’ve been to. But it might have been Dlugach…
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Well
We don’t have a #1 guy yet.
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I don't have an answer at this time
I’m also not Dave Dombrowski, Jim Leyland or any other Tigers managerial staff.
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One would assume that someone's gonna ask that question at the press conference
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
That, and we've got a couple days of meetings left
Followed by a few months of off-season. There is no good answer right now.
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Is Jackson ready to be the starting CF?
Or could we be looking at real competition from Casper Wells? That’s my big question.
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Might be interesting
Buy A-Jax some time at AAA…
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yeah, maybe raburn
but he doesn’t walk!!! ever!!!
(Whew!)
Ok, the Mothership has confirmed it: Schlereth is in on the deal. I think with the additions of D-Schler and Coke, our bullpen is looking much better. I wouldn’t mind if Dave picked up someone like Putz, but we’ve got some nice depth now for the 2010 ’pen.
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Not in my three years of (heavy) baseball
Pudge for Farnsworth was the stupidest deal I saw.
Not that this one isn’t gut-wrenching in its own way.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
gut-wrenching
But I know it’s the right thing to do.
Won’t stop me from drinking Cheerwine all day and eating a pack of cookies…
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Lucky you
I have to go to work and smile and be friendly and cheerful to the customers (and possibly deal with a Red Sox fan who’ll ask me about it; my Yankee fan co-worker won’t know yet).
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
That deal looked decent at the time, though
Plus if that hadn’t happened then Jurrjens would’ve been part of the Cabrera trade.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
I'm talking along the lines of Kaline or Trammel
I don’t think Avila projects to be a franchise player. Verlander, maybe, if we can keep the Yankees and Red Sox with their money away from him. Cabrera is a possibility too (even though he started out in Florida). But the key is not to trade them away.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Good question
It just doesn’t seem to work out that way anymore. i go back to the ’68 guys, when almost nobody every left, to 84, when it killed me when Morris left, to now, when guys get swapped around like, well, their own trading cards.
And having been born in 1983...
1968 is ancient history to me and I have no memory of 1984
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:33 PM EST up reply actions
At the end of the day
Good teams win with starting pitching. And Scherzer is the real deal. He’s better than Edwin, and we get 5 years of him instead of 1 of Edwin. The real question is: how good will A-Jax and Schlereth be?
A lifelong Tigers fan
You're right
Doesn’t make this hurt any less.
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:'(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln6WQqRDrCo
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This seems to me like a minor flesh wound at the moment.
Yes, I’m hurt, but it will heal quickly. This deal makes total sense to me and deep down seems like the right thing to do. We get 4 great prospects who could easily outperform both Grandy and EJax for the next several years. I am sorry to see our guys go, but we got good stuff back.
Yay Tigers.
(Oh, and hi guys)
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Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Most people see this as a good thing for the Yankees and the Tigers
D-Backs fans should have a gun in their mouth by now. If they don’t, they don’t get it.
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Anybody an ESPN Insider?
Me too cheap.
This Law guy seems to think the tigers got the best of the deal: keithlaw: Quick RC take on the Granderson megadeal: http://bit.ly/5NbAEb
can someone dig up the Cleveland catch from last year?
“Its gone!…no its not” that would cheer up anyone
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by rock n rye on Dec 8, 2009 3:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Tigers just signed C Robinzon Diaz
Trade for Laird in the works, perhaps? Pure speculation on my part
Source?
I don’t recognize your name. Not calling you a liar, but it is that time of year after all.
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They did sign Diaz
It’s up on MLB Trade Rumors. I just put up a FanShot
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not sure about that
That signing doesn’t seem to make sense… I don’t think the Tigers are planning on starting Avila… he’s not ready yet. Why do we need a marginal 26-year-old catcher if we already have starter and backup set? Insurance?
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Maybe
Maybe we do something creative with Laird and Seay for more young players.
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Perhaps they signed Diaz as a backup to Laird so Avila can get more reps behind the plate in Toledo?
IhopeIhopeIhope…
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Someone clearly isn't comfortable with Laird/Avila
Remember we originally were going with Laird/Treanor before Treanor went down for the season.
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DD's comments about Avila a couple weeks ago would seem to suggest that
It’s in one of Beck’s articles. Sorry, but I have to dash off to work now and I can’t find the link.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 8, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Huh. A completely different view here:
Text from my friend: “Do we have a black guy anymore?”
I uh… yeah. About that. Don’t think we do.
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Source
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2009/12/tigers-sign-robinzon-diaz.html
Sorry, meant to include it.
I know.
I was just trying to throw some humor in to make it easier. sorry, it wasn’t very funny.
But I do have a mental image of Misty May in a bikini
Yeah
I was seriously disappointed he never got in on a game. When they signed him I was looking forward to some shots of her in the stands.
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When was the last time a hot Yankee prospect panned out?
Seriously. Jeter?
call me crazy
but I kind of like this deal. Scherzer has a ton of upside, while jackson looked like he was on the downswing. Grandy was a terrific player and seemed to be the future, but he had some problems as a leadoff hitter, and against left handed pitchers. Hopefully austin jackson can grow into a younger, cheaper version of Granderson in the next couple of years, and hopefully scherzer can become a staple in our rotation and replace edwin admirably. If this is the case, we also just got two young relievers to bolster our bullpen, which we desparately needed. It’s fairly clear that DD is building towards 2011 when the big bad contracts go away, and 2010 might be a bit of a building process. Not to mention, we control all 4 of these players at a very low price for a very long time. This HAS to be music to the ears of Tigers fans after our contract struggles for the past 2-3. Hopefully this is clearing out a bit of salary to go after a corner outfielder that we can trade out for another bad contract. (ie: Juan Pierre and Milton Bradley rumors that we’ve heard.) All of that being said, I will cringe when I see Granderson in Pinstripes.
Absolutely correct
I will love this deal in a week. But can I have the time to grieve, please?
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When you figure that out
Can you tell me?
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I could handle losing Curtis...
…just not to the Yankees.
When all this talk started, it looked like maybe the Angels. Fine, it’s a good organization and a team I don’t hate, and they’re always in the postseason, so good for Grandy if he’s not gonna be wearing the English D. But the Yankees? THE FUCKING YANKEES?!?
I’m nauseous.
Read this about A-Jax
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/sports/baseball/02jackson.html?_r=1
Might help make you feel better.
This is encouraging?!?
"There’s nothing about Austin — defense, arm, base running, nothing — that gives me any doubts that he’s going to be a good player one day," said the Class AAA hitting coach Butch Wynegar.
I alwys hated Butch Wynegar
where does A-Jax fit in the recently put out Tigers Prospect ranking?
Behind Turner and Crosby?
I would think above both of them
He was the top prospect in the yankees organization labeled as “untouchable” and the guess is that he’s major league ready in 2010.
Hmm
I’d go Crosby, A-Jax, Turner.
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I honestly don't know what to say or think right now.
Losing Grand Man hurts…a lot.
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It'll be all right
Eventually. I think it’s ok to cry today though.
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Tearing up
My eyes are honestly watering up over this. Curtis Granderson has been my favorite player since he put on the old English D and now I’ve got to root against him because I hate the Yankees so fucking much.
I get on the computer, I go on cbssports.com and see that Granderson goes to New York
I was like WTF, I went downstairs, told my dad (also a huge Tigers fan), and he and I are now equally pissed off.
I don’t care what they got, Granderson was the kind of guy, had he stayed his whole career in Detroit, would have had his number retired. What he meant for the community and how he was loved by fans, you just can’t teach.
I’m always skeptical about prospects and this occasion is no different. What if they don’t pan out? Ugh
And Granderson was one of my favourite players on the team too.
This hurts.
This sucks
I mean, from a baseball perspective it’s actually pretty shrewd. But from a fan perspective – Grandy…say it ain’t so! Not only traded, but traded to the effing Yankees?!?! Insult, meet injury.
You really think it will?
I don’t! I just assume he’ll do quality things for NY. Lucky them.
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True
Though Jeter’s pretty classy, really. The problem is I will be forced to root for a Yankee. I can’t wish ill will on C-Grandy. I’m genetically incapable.
He's not a Yankee
Not really. We know that. You can still root for Grandy, as will I.
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Jeter.
Everyone outside of New York tosses that guy under the bus for some reason.
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Yeah Kalamazoo!
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Look at Grandy's contract
If his inability to hit LHP is an indicator of things to come, we would have been Ordoñez mad at him within a couple years.
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No, because he wasn’t going to make as much as Magglio. And Curtis brings other things to the table to compensate for struggles at the plate. His defense, speed, and off field personality are assets Magglio doesn’t have.
Defense I'll give you
Speed wise… eh. He was fast compared to the rest of the team, who aren’t all that fast themselves. Off-field personality, while nice, has zero effect at the end of the day on pure baseball numbers.
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I love Curtis and am sad to see him go.
But I was also scared that he was topping out and things were going to get worse. He’s a good player and a great PR asset but his contract wasn’t that bad.
Overall, the Tigers should have held out for Hughes and another two prospects from the Yankees.
If you're a masochist...
go read Henning’s analysis at detnews. If you don’t like multiple kicks to the groin or have had enough bad news, steer clear.
Waaaaaaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!
Of all the freaking teams, I did not want to see Granderson a Yankee. No way, no how.
Crap crap crap. I guess now it’s time for a baseball sabbatical. Crap.
Coprolites. :(
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Oddly enough, I don't feel devestated.
I guess having my favorite player traded three times in my Tiger fandom (Fryman, Justin Thompson and Jeff Weaver) has toughened me up.
After the Juan Gonzalez trade I was cursing up a storm and swearing never to watch Tiger baseball ever again.
He wasn't that bad as a Tiger (which is why the Yankees did that 3 way trade with DET and OAK).
Then he became Jeff Weaver – destroyer of hopes.
Jeff was my favorite player at the time too
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 8, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Christ!
Isn’t the day bad enough without all this Jeff weaver love?!?
Weaver turned into Bonderman, German (for a season), and a disappointing Carlos Pena!
I’m kind of glad Pena ended up finally putting some of the puzzle together in Tampa.
Meh
Would prefer to give away someone with less upside or a position player (Nate or Carlos Guillen).
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OK
Now that Yankees lineup is even scarier. Granderson will hit 35 HR in that park, which is approximately 48 more HR than Cabrera/Gardner would hit, I think. I’ll have to check the math on that.
The Tigers front office is drawn to hard throwers like Tiger Woods is drawn to skanks. Me Max Scherzer. Me throw hard!
Fryman, Justin Thompson and Jeff Weaver?
You gotz lowered expectations.
Look at the teams they were on.
Not much to root for during the dark ages of the 1990s to early 2000s. We were the worst team in baseball from 1988-2003.
As someone who vehemently argued with other Tigers fans
over the benefits of Curtis Granderson over Nook Logan (remember those debates?), I am saddened to see Curtis go.
But, we root for the laundry, and I’m excited to get some young guys in there on a team that seemed old down the stretch.
For those who think Granderson was too good a person to trade,
In the end, Talent is way more important than character. Or do we want to give away Miggy and put Sean Casey back at first?
Catharis: Say something bad about Granderson
He never should have gotten picked off first in the playoff game against the Twins.
He can't hit lefties
And he could concentrate on baseball a lot more than he does.
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His fielding metrics have been on the decline since 2007.
And that scared the living piss out of me.
he sucks at sports cliches
When he spoke, there was actual thought and intelligence behind it.
Wait a minute, that isn’t bad … now I think I’m going to poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick at the thought of Granderson in pinstripes.
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He's likes Chicago teams.
which specifically I don’t care.
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Question
How do you shrink pictures?
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I upload them to photobucket...
and than use they’re editing stuff to do it.
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I've got a couple programs
Photoshop and Pixelmator (OS X graphics application).
When you upload to imageshack.us though you can shrink pictures down.
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if you're looking for an actual program...
try the GIMP
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depends on how many balls our new centerfielder can’t get too.
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he would need to put multiple cigs in his mouth at once to increase his rate of use
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Leyland's CPM (Cigarette's Per Minute) leads the league and is HoF worthy.
Even at his advanced age he is putting up astronomical numbers.
On the positive side of all this...
at least we have people to be angry/violent/sad/depressed/elated with.
I don’t think there’s alot of elation going on right now though.
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I don't think many people celebrate when you trade a guy like Curtis Granderson.
I do hope this trade works out for us, that Grandy does so badly for the Yankees they ship him back here for Phil Coke, and that he returns to form as a Tiger.
Anyone else concerned...
that the main cog we’re getting is a pitcher coming to the AL from the worst division in the NL?
But he throws hard!
No, seriously. Scherzer has a good pedigree. That AZ park is very hitter friendly. Kid was a high draft pick, strikes out a boatload of guys and has 2 plus pitches to work with. And makes the league minimum. Not horrible. The AL Central isn’t exactly murderer’s row.
Just concerned...
because he’s the only known quantity other than guys who pitch to one or two hitters that we have received thus far.
NL West is not bad. All the teams were playoff caliber teams except for
Padres and D-backs. And the D-backs have amazing young talent
From Ken Rosenthal:
Several rival executives already are questioning the Diamondbacks for giving up right-hander Max Scherzer and left-hander Daniel Schlereth for right-handers Edwin Jackson and Ian Kennedy in their nearly completed three-team blockbuster with the Yankees and Tigers.
The D-backs, though, have their reasons for making the deal.
First and foremost, the Diamondbacks view Scherzer as a reliever, not a starter. Scherzer had Tommy John surgery in high school. He was a reliever in college. And his mechanics remain a concern for many scouts.
Schlereth already is a reliever, so the Diamondbacks — in their view — are effectively trading two relievers for two starters.
And the Tigers are viewing Scherzer as a starter
I would assume, and they should. I’ve not seen a reason over the last 2 years to think that Scherzer can not start. Plus Phil Coke was a starter for most of his career until the bigs. Maybe the Tigers plan on using Coke as a SP??? Lets say Nate doesn’t have a good spring, it’s possible Coke can be a stater, a la Miner, but better.
OK, this signed Grandy Jersey in a Yankee Uniform can not be real
Unless the person had a Tiger jersey signed and peeled the 28 off.
That said, this is hilarious to think someone would pay 400+ for this. It clearly can’t be real, he’s been a yankee for 2 hours and I don’t think it’s technically even “official yet” LOL
he's gonna have to fight girardi for number 28
wasn’t he saying he was gonna change his number to 28 now that they have the 27 championships? gag
Wonder how they're feeling...
in the ticket sales department at Comerica. I think their goal incentive plans for 2010 need to be adjusted.
there may be a lag phase, though
Like in the growth curve of bacteria.
People will wait and see what the team does, and if they don’t look good starting off, ticket sales will suffer.
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In other news
Water is wet and the team who scores the most wins. – Joe Buck.
In all seriousness though, you’re 100% right. If Scherzer is like JV or Porcello and this team shuts down oppositions night in and night out and Guillen is healthy and Raburn stays hot at the plate, Maggs puts together a whole yr, Sizemore is a solid .300 hitter, etc, this team CAN win and probably will be over .500. They can contend, not for the WS, but definitely in their division and it’ll still be fun.
As a ticket holder, I’m waiting to buy my tix. No way right now can I justfiy spending that kind of $. During the season, I’ll pick 10 games or so and go when I can rather then be stuck to a certain schedule, like Fri nights.
Yes, but
Season ticket sales are a huge component of your overall sales, because they count even if the people don’t make it to the games. No team bases their sales goals on in-season walk ups because they’re too unreliable.
yeah, why see the tigers now
all they have is the leading strikeout pitcher in the MLB and some young bum playing first base, what’s his name again? Miguel Cabrera? He’ll never be anything!
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 8, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions
and some kid who has no ability to make the ladies swoon over him.
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And the second coming of the Messiah
First if you’re a Jew.
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I was talking about Alex Avila
But I <3 Crosby too.
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I feel a little better
That return is pretty glorious, relief pitchers and all…
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OMG
BRADLEY TO A MYSTERY AL TEAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In the fanshots.
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I like you
We have very similar opinions. This is nice.
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I'm actually on board with Milton Bradley
I know every team thinks they can keep a malcontent in line, but I do think Leyland did fairly well with Sheffield. Bradley would probably be traded for some other overpriced assett the Tigers have (like Guillen). He’ll hit the crap out of the ball the 60% of the year he plays, and when he doesn’t, the Tigers have plenty of other cogs (Raburn, Larish, et al) they could plug in.
I also think his malcontentness is overrated
Remember the Cubs are in a very harsh media spotlight. Detroit, not so much.
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makes no sense
let’s get rid of one of the game’s most beloved players in an attempt to shed payroll, then sign one of the biggest a-holes with a horrible contract? regardless of who goes to the cubs in return, no no no.
The Granderson deal had little to do with payroll
We simply took $5.5m off the books for next year. Granderson increased in cost but ultimately was affordable in the long term as Willis et. al came off contract after next season. Moving Guillen (an ailing, aging mediocre fielder with a bad contract for two more season) for Bradley (a solid, well-hitting player who is young) when the center field at CoPa (arguably the most important fielding position) just got left up to a virtual coin toss?
Sign me up.
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He's also an above average fielder in the OF
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I know it didn't really have that much to do with payroll
but to people who aren’t nerds like us, that’s how it’ll look, because that’s how everything has been spun for the fans so far. the fans are already pissed off. I just don’t think it’s a good idea, but whatever.. what I think isn’t going to affect it.
Then correct the non-nerds.
I’m doing the Lord’s work every day. Tomorrow when I walk into work, I will have to explain this trade at least three times before 9am (I start at 8).
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and live with a bunch of people who couldn’t care less. At least they care enough to ask.
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I have enough hate to spread around
It’s like love. It multiplies and grows larger the more people you hit with it.
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I hate all Cleveland teams.
with passion. Especially Lebron James, that “genius” of a football coach, and especially every Cleveland Indian player.
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The Indians suck
Go find the Hastily Made Cleveland Tourism videos on YouTube… hilarious.
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Three Comments
(1) No real problem with trading Granderson. To me, he has peaked — still valuable but tradeable for fair value.
(2) I’m more concerned with trading Jackson. There’s more to this than meets the eye, IMO. I think there were already preliminary talks on a longer term contract and Boros’ numbers scared the Tigers so much that they traded him now.
(3) While Austin Jackson has good credentials in the minors, I think they are no better than those of Ramirez. Personally, I would have preferred to send Granderson to the Cubs in return for the two infield minor leaguers (which is where the Tigers need more help).
some thoughts
1) You may be right about Grandy offensively but I thought his true value was covering ground in CF at Comerica and Jackson has his work cut out for him there …. I do think it can work out positively, I’m just a little nervoues.
2) I wish I had a link for this and maybe someone can help me, but I could swear at some point either on here or MLBtraderumors I read that Boras will not negotiate an extension for EJ. He wants him to be a free agent and I don’t think the Tigers were going to over pay on him so getting someone who we will have 5 years of team control on in Max is pretty good.
3) I agree that I would have preferred the deal with the Cubs but I also believe the Cubs are stuck until they move Bradley. While infield help is much needed I can handle trading a starter and a CF for a CF, starter, a potential closer and a quality bullpen arm that should all be ready in 2 years. Just one guys thoughts.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
didn't he also break a glass bottle at a fans feet?
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Milton Bradley
Hit .321/.436/.563 with 22 HR in 126 games in 2008 for Texas. That’s a guy who can help us.
-1
I disagree. I think that it is appropriate to talk about the Winter meetings and possible roster fillers. No where does it say that we have to have a boo hoo session for Granderson. This is baseball, and I for one do not fall in love with professional athletes, because there is MONEY involved.
Don't drive angry!
People are people and get emotional.
Especially when a popular player is dealt. I think, though, a step back is needed and things looked at from the long view.
Before anyone brings up Jarrod Washburn: I did look at things from a long view of Jarrod Washburn (after seeing him year in and year out) and knew he was stinky that is why I hated that move.
I think the thing was, Milton Bradley is off topic from the discussion at hand
which is about Granderson. There was a Fanshot about Bradley to discuss him at already and should be used.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 8, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Yes, someone was off topic. This thread has over 350 comments, and was bound to go off topic at some time, and it looks like it happened a long time ago.
Don't drive angry!
Doesn't mean it should be perpetuated.
And it certainly doesn’t mean you should yell a someone for trying to adjust the discussion appropriately, especially when it’s very well known that Ian would like the winter meeting discussion to flow this way.
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 9, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Who's yelling?
This is not a thread about Granderson only, it is a thread about the three team trade. This is my point, especially when the person “steering” the conversation is at fault of going off topic as well. Yes, no one is perfect, but I was only trying to point out that this “steering” was not needed and was viewed, by me, as an attack on a fellow blogger.
Don't drive angry!
a hundred years later, but just so everyone knows
I wasn’t attacking anybody. anyone who hangs out here on a regular basis knows that DDB and I differ in opinon re: Milton Bradley and we tend to poke each other about it from time to time. that being said, it’s a thread about Curtis, and there’s been a concerted effort around here lately to try to stay on topic when possible.. soo yeah.
Yeah
We kinda got caught up b/c the main discussion was happening over here.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
I MISS GRANDY!!!
And he isn’t even officially gone yet. Poopy.
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Sorry to kill the Bradley love but
I think he’s going to the Angels. That’s the new hot rumor according to mlb coverage.
Presumably for Rivera or Matthews Jr
I pegged it at 20% anyway
Way too fast a turnaround after the tri-team deal isn’t even official.
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Meh
We got Robinson Diaz in the interim.
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Jason Beck via Twitter
“No comments nor confirmation from Dombrowski on Granderson trade.”
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Owch.
Don’t expect official until tomorrow. Medical clearances and paperwork at this point.
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:'(
I really almost cried today. I had to work to hold it back because I was at school. I hate the offseason.
this is why i never spend money on actual jerseys.
the $30 jersey-designed blue t-shirts are quite enough for me. Heck, in the last week the Grandy and Polly ones have become useless. Only Miguel and JV left, I guess I’ll have to find a few new ones.
Ebay
Yes, Granderson is now useless. But he was only $40.
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I'm not calling my Polanco jersey useless.
Got plenty of good use out of it and I’ll always remember his stint here.
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Wow.
Okay, clearly late to the party here, but I’ve got the same mixed feelings that Ian described. I honestly do think the Tigers get the better part of the deal, not just when you take the money into account, but also looking at the “replacement level” roster spots. Phil Coke is a very good pitcher, and I would not be surprised if they tried to use him as a starter. Austin Jackson won’t make people forget about Grandy just yet but he is certainly going to be a useful player in CF. Now, right there is the rub – we can’t look at this on a position for position basis. BUT, once we bring Scherzer and Schlereth into the mix, both 1st-round talents going to play half their games in Comerica, I am giddy about what this does to the depth in the organization. Remember, once you get past Casey Crosby and Jacob Turner, the depth of the pitching group gets a little thin quickly. We need arms, and got three of them at the cost of Jackson (or, really, at the cost of Matt Joyce if you really want to look at it as a buy-low sell-high situation). Dave Dombrowski once again showing me that he is perfect for this organization.
by TigerFanInCleveland on Dec 8, 2009 8:31 PM EST reply actions
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