"Scattered Interest" in Carlos Guillen?
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 9, 2009 9:30 AM EST
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At times, it's felt like Jon Paul Morosi is the shadow author of this blog, given how many of his rumors and reports have been recycled here. Having said that, Morosi mentioned late last night (or early this morning) that there was "some scattered interest" around the Winter Meetings in Carlos Guillen.
This seems like the wishiest of wishful thinking on the part of the Tigers, as Guillen is really a man without a position in Detroit (despite Jim Leyland promising him the left field job next season.) But maybe other teams are checking if the Tigers would be interested in picking up part of his contract while unloading him.
Guillen's still a decent bat, who can presumably play every infield position, as well as left field, though injuries restricted him to only 81 games this season. He batted .242/.339/.419 with 11 home runs and 41 RBIs in 322 plate appearances.
Guillen is owed a total of $26 million on the remaining two years of his contract.
Let the Guillen-for-Milton Bradley talk resume... now.
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I like Guillen for Bradley more than Dontrelle for Bradley.
But if I had my druthers, it’d be both for Bradley.
Is this a serious post?
Let’s see give up a guy who can actually play, or 1 who can’t even handle pitching in the minors? hmm that’s a tough call…NOT so much, if the Cubs would trade MB for dTrain that would be a huge deal for the Tig’s, I might actually believe double D knows what he’s doin.
Guillen is being troublesome.
Dontrelle isn’t trying to play leftfield with limited range and defense.
This has to be a joke
If someone would take Dontrelle, we should be happy to get a baseball bat in return.
Guillen for Bradley
I would be in favor of a Bradley for Guillen deal. Bradley is a better defender and that alone would make the deal worth it. Both guys have had troubles staying healthy and we all know Bradley is a timebomb, but I think the range Bradley has in the outfield is worth the risk
guillen and kevin millwood are both owed $12 mil next year
and the rangers need a proven utility guy. I’m just saying. I’m on the anyone-but-milton-bradley team..
If the Rangers are trying to move Millwood
it would be to save money. Paying Guillen wouldn’t help them there. I know what you are saying as the thought of Bradley destroying the clubhouse (and gatorade coolers) doesn’t excite me, but I think Bradley has more upside than Guillen. Also a greater chance of disaster.
yeah, I know, in my head I had a couple million going to texas with carlos
but it won’t happen. I’ll just sulk in the corner until Bradley is safely on another team, and if he comes here, I’ll sulk a few more days.
If the Tigers were after Bradley, they'd be banking on Leyland's reputation for being able to handle difficult players
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
Problem.
Leyland didn’t handle Sheff all that well. Granted, that could be argued from different standpoints, but I honestly don’t think he did a very good job with him. Bradley is a whole different monster, but without all the success that Sheff had. Maybe he’d be a bit more humble in the presence of a WS champ? Who knows.
World Series Champ?
Lou Piniella won one in 1990 to go against Leyland’s in 1997, so I don’t think that is the issue.
I root for the Tigers, Pistons, Red Wings and yes, the Lions.
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Lou isn't known for keeping a cool head either.
a bit abrasive for a guy like Milton.
My Music: Some Sorta Giant
My Blog: Inside A Head
I project him doing fine with Milton...
A coach can’t keep a player from making an opinion public. The coaches job is to keep that players opinion from ruining the clubhouse atmosphere. Jim did that Gary. He’ll probably be able to do that with Milton. However, I don’t want Milton on our team. He obviously doesn’t appreciate what his abilities have brought him. Throwing hissy fits at coaches, fans, and umps shouldn’t earn him the amount that he does.
He’s under contract still, somebody has to pay him. I just don’t want it to be my Tigers.
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IMO
I think Bradley is a good fit here. We need some excitement!?! Take our minds off losing our 2 all-stars this winter.
Tammy
Sure
This works…
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
Had an exam
Which I don’t want to talk about. Could use some good Milton Bradley news to cheer me up.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
I want Milton on the team
Just cause I have this sneaky feeling that he could become one of those guys who would just kill an opposing team, like the Twins or ChiSox.
If someone wants to show me the splits saying otherwise, I’ll politely eat my words.
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Heh
I kinda want him traded to the White Sox. The awesome that is Ozzie Guillen and Milton Bradley could do more damage to subspace than the Large Hadron Collider.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
I'd be willing to bet
Guillen has more ABs and a higher OPSs than Bradley next year. I base that on absolutely nothing, but I’m throwing it out there anyway.
Because I'm obligated to go fangirl at least once in every Milton Bradley thread
MILTONBRADLEYMILTONBRADLEYMILTONBRADLEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111OMG
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Indeed
Also, every time we lose, we can make jokes about unleashing Milton on the other team.
Crazy folks are fun.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Here's some stuff from a scout
http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2009/12/milton-bradley-for-free.html
Seems to think Bradley’s off year was a result of the league switch…
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Rays are still supposedly the front-runner
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-09-cubs-chichago-dec09,0,4599265.story
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Leyland didn’t handle Sheff all that well.
This is all too true. Sheffield whined about being a full-time DH and not playing in the field. At the time, Sheffield was in his first year with us, and after a slow start, was tearing the cover off the ball. Nevertheless, Leyland gave in to him, gave him a start in the OF—and the result was Sheffield colliding with Polanco, seriously injurying himself, and he was never effective for us thereafter. Bad, bad, bad decision, maybe costing a pennant or two.
Not a Milton Bradley fan
I’ve never been a fan of bringing “head cases” to Detroit. I know he can hit, that’s great. But he has a tendency to be injured, and he can bring a bad attitude to the clubhouse. Not that I’m a huge fan of keeping Carlos around – his time is done in Detroit. If he stays, he’s really a lame duck, sort of like Robertson and Willis, just biding time until the Tigers can get rid of them somehow.
He's got 2 yrs left
And it’s about the same amount as Guillen, I think, if not a little less, I’d have to check. Regardless, I think Guillen for Bradley works out for both teams – Cubbies get a guy who’s versatile in a very versatile league and Tigers get someone who’s got pop and would solidify the OF a little bit.
Yeah, it's a bit less
$22 mil over the next two years, compared to Guillen’s $26 mil.
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 9, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions
thanks
Guillen could be the ex Cubs de Rosa
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions
Another crucial thing
He walks!!! He often batted 2nd because of his high OBP.
I think he’d be a great #3 for the tigers. Maybe even #4 to protect Cabbi (who would bat 3rd)
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
in fact
he may be our best lead off hitter (as sad as that sounds).
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I remember when he was with the A's in 06'
and how big of a pain in our sides he was, especially in game 4. The thing is, he may be emotional but he plays with a ton of heart. I wouldn’t mind having him if Jimmy L can keep him under control and away from the media, something he did not do with Sheff. He let Sheff speak his mind and it lead to his downfall (along with his age and ego) but if handled correctly, I think Milton could be a fan favorite in this town relatively quickly.
+1
folks have to remember that he was a saint (relatively speaking) in texas, where he had the highest OPS in the majors (before getting injured)
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 11:59 AM EST up reply actions
this is what lead him to get 26 mil
he has SO MUCH MORE upside than Guillen.
that said, Guillen is great friends with Magglio and Cabbi. And he is a great menotr for Cabbi (believe it or not)
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
Hmm
It may be a better idea to dump either Dontrelle, Bonderman or Robertson for him in that case. Guillen still has a little upside too… we may be able to use him in another trade as well.
Robertson/Willis to the Cubs for Bradley
Guillen and a prospect to the Braves for Derek Lowe?
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
I really like guillen as a DH next year.
I would not necessarily like to see guillen go the other way for bradley, but any combination of willis, robertson, seay, larish, and maybe even galarraga would excite me very much
I would make that Bradley trade in a heartbeat.
But not the Guillen trade. We desperately need offense. If that means playing Guillen in the filed more, then se be it.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
dont think the Braves are a fit
They’re not trying to unload a turd of a contract. I am curious to see how they handle the 6 starters and 3 closer types they have under contract
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by rock n rye on Dec 9, 2009 12:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Milton
Injuries – 10 seasons, 941 games. Less than 100 games per season on average.
Career .277 hitter.
Listen, I’m not saying he’s a pariah, but I certainly don’t see him as any sort of salvation.
Yeah
I’m not in love with Guillen either!
by pfuhrmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:09 PM EST up reply actions
That's what makes the trade work
Bradley fits with the Tigers better than the Cubs, Guillen fits better with the Cubs than the Tigers. Similar performances, similar injury history, similar contract. What a match!
He has a career .371 OBP though,
and at 32, he’s still not old in baseball terms.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions
But I think DD made the point yesterday
The Tigers are going with youth, even Granderson and Jackson are too old for them.
by pfuhrmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
bradley
is not old AND this is a two year ride, not a long term thing
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
averages over 10 seasons is a bit misleading...
…who care what he was like 8 years ago? 7 years ago? 6 years ago?
MIlton Bradley as a Ranger:
414 At bats
22 home runs
77 rbi
80 walks
.321 ba, .436 obp, .563 slugging
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes i am
new league for him, new pitchers, new heaches. awful situation. and he still has better numbers than guillen
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:13 PM EST up reply actions
A Guillen for Bradley trade doesn't help us much.
Bradley may have a bit more upside, but if we make that trade, we will still be in need of a LF/DH. Unless you are delusional enough to think that Ryan Raburn is the full time solution at either of those positions. At least one big pitcher’s contract would have to go the other way to make Bradley worthwhile
yahoo was saying if we traded for bradley it would more likely be for dontrelle
i’d much rather be rid of willis than of guillen
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I'm not disputing what you posted
I just find it unbelieveable that the cubs would be even remotely interested in that trade. Here’s hoping that its true!
i just wanted to show proof of what i read
didn’t think you doubted me. just wanted to prove that i wasn’t hallucinating it.
I Like Pie
I read it
and now I think I’m hallucinating!
by pfuhrmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take that
Provided we’re willing to pay a little extra.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
try
Here's the thing
Trading Willis for him makes some sense but trading Guillen makes more. Willis’ contract is up this year, so he’ll be off the books regardless. If you get Bradley, that just nullified that whole cutting cost thing, which is what DD is obviously after. If you trade Guillen, at least the contracts swap basically, you drop a couple mil in payroll and get two similar guys swapped who can help their respective new teams.
If we traded Willis alone, I’d have to scratch my head. It would be good for this year, but it doesn’t really make much sense for next year at all. Unless DD feels that there’s going to be enough payroll opened up so it just doesn’t matter. Ah the excitement continues!
There's always the possibility of the Cubs sending some cash.
That was part of the rumored Burrell-Bradley trade.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Which in turn would make more sense
Let’s just hope that DD can drop one of these horrible contracts, or two, and get someone of value here soon.
I think all the payroll dropping off in 2011 makes it doable.
Trading Guillen for Bradley makes little sense to me. I understand the contracts allign well, but besides that, what is the advantage for us to trade a switch-hitting LF/DH who fits well into our clubhouse for another switch-hitting LF/DH who doesent fit well into any clubhouse? Honestly, if we can get anything for Willis, especially a nice bat that fills in a hole in our defense, Bradley would be a steal. A Bradley for Guillen trade seems to be more of a wash.
It does
But we could desperately use the offense. If Guillen can OPS .800 and Bradley can OPS .800… well, then the Tigers can worry less about black holes at LF and DH. Granted, C, 3B, SS and now CF will be holes of suck, but last year we only had offense coming from CF, 1B and occasionally RF/2B.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
3B is 50-50
There’s still the injury variable to eliminate
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
If Inge can hit league average...
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Anybody an ESPN Insider?
There’s an article there that says the Cubs are trading him to the AL for a high-priced player.
Nothing of note
It says a “high priced” player from an AL team, who they will ship off to another team. The article speculates the most likely scenario is still with TB and Pat Burrell.
Pierre a tiger?
Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports says the Tigers have interest in Juan Pierre, and are “looking for a third team to supply the pitcher L.A. needs.” Odd, since the Tigers have more bad pitching contracts than anyone. The Tigers apparently prefer to unload Carlos Guillen.
I like this even more than the Bradley rumors
if we can move any combination of willis, robertson, seay, larish, and maybe even galarraga and return Pierre, that would make me very, very happy.
Blech
Pierre is garbage too. 10MM and 8MM for .301/.348/.372 lifetime? I’d rather have Guillen.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
But Pierre can't hit
And he’s not worth that big contract.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
I completely agree
As soon as I saw that, I was disgusted. I don’t know if I could name many players I rather have least than Pierre, particularly if he’s trolling around in LF!
if true, and the cubs rumors are true, then...
willis and guillen for pierre and bradley…….can anyone say “crowded outfield”
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/
you will have to scroll down a bit
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
oh, nevermind then.
I was hearing the Pierre rumblings on monday, but good to hear they’re coming back up again.
Wow. Another 3 way trade in the works
I’m excited at the thought of having some speed on this team. Though I don’t know how I feel about Pierre. Not sure how he’d fare in Detroit.
main thing is that
we would have a lead-off man! finally!!!
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
less pressure for a-jax
how could then bat lower in the order
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sorry
But any team with a leadoff man that on bases .348 lifetime deserves to have its manager and GM executed.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
we have no one better. and pierre is an amazing base stealer.
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Sizemore.
Jackson. Wells. Anyone with a better on base percentage than .327,.331 or .330 (OBP’s the last 3 seasons he’s started).
I don’t care about SB. I care about a leadoff guy getting on base to set up the mashers.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
But right now we have no one.
I don’t want to Maybin-ize Austin Jackson.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
Maybinize Casper Wells
What’s the loss there?
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
I'd rather Wells develop more
and do a bad contract swap for Pierre. I seem to value the stolen bases more than you do.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
But if that bad contract is Carlos Guillen,
I’d be extremely disappointed.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
that's the sound of it
and if so, then we are taking on an inferior player simply for the sake of minor payroll relief. Anything good that dombrowski did yesterday for us will be washed away quickly with such a boneheaded move as this!
I'm pretty sure it is
#Tigers plan is for Austin Jackson, who has never played day in The Show, to be Opening Day CF
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
Trial by fire...
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
But can you imagine the reception he'll get from Tigers fans if he gets off to a slow start?
I hope that kid has a strong constitution.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
No
I don’t think that they prefer to unload guillen; the dodgers simply want good pitching for reasonably low prices. Their financial constraints are great right now with their whole owner situation, and mediocre to bad pitchers with bad contracts are the exact opposite of what they want.
Apparently they do prefer to unload Guillen
Fine
Unload him for Bradley!
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
If this trade is with the Tigers
We should get details as soon as the Granderson/Jackson blockbuster is done.
It would also explain why the Cubs said that these negotiations didn’t impact their Granderson ones…
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Jayson Stark just reported on ESPN
That the BoSox are looking at 2 or 3 teams to take Lowell and his contract for a similar contract. I’m not familiar with his years or $ but this is one guy that I wouldn’t mind on this team over Inge. He may be just as steady defensively and better with the bat. Though his age may have caught up to him. I’d be impartial to this idea, but I thought I’d throw it out there.
i disagree
lowell is not an upgrade at this point in his career…..
by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
Inge is more durable
Lowell has had injury issues for two or three years now. The knee problems for Inge are, for now, a one-time deal. It’s not like he’s had chronic health issues.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
He was in '08 with a strained oblique
but not for very long. It’s how Pudge got his starting job back.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ah, the pillow injury
How I missed that story,
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
I remember now. Brandon is like a horse. They would have to cut off his arms and legs to keep him from playing
Or give him an extra pillow
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Except that horses don’t have arms. :)
by pfuhrmeister on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
She said like a horse- not a horse.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
Holy crap, you guys have been busy
I’m gone for half an hour and there’s 50 new comments.
Disregarding Bradley’s personality (and you really can’t), a good point has been brought up: Bradley’s deal is for two more years. Most of our bad contracts expire in one year. The only one that doesn’t is Guillen. However, trading him away takes away one of our bigger bats (when healthy) and we need offense. It’s kind of a negative feedback loop.
Another point
between bradley, the Tigers bad contracts and Juan “only an idiot would trade for me” Pierre is that Bradley is most likely to have a good 2010 and become tradable again for some value at the deadline or next off-season … please DD no Pierre
If this is the case,
then we win. Anyone (pierre included) is an upgrade over willis, and bradley is an upgrade over guillen.
Dangit
I saw that yesterday… it’s just speculation. I’d kill for that though.
I actually kinda like the idea of keeping Guillen… for the short term anyways.
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of course
When healthy, Guillen is a great addition to our lineup. Defensively, he’s not much, but If we can let him DH all year and keep him healthy, I’m all for it.
basically if we can have bradley in left field and guillen at DH
That would be ideal. I think our lineup would start to set up nicely
Hmm
2B Sizemore
RF Ordonez
LF Bradley
1B Cabrera
DH Guillen
3B Inge
CF Jackson
C Laird
SS Everett
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Can sizemore leadoff?
I was thinking it might even have to be Bradley or possibly Jackson…
the lack of a leadoff hitter is really the only glaring hole I see here
Why not?
Who says we need a prototypical leadoff hitter? Somebody who gets on base at a good clip (Sizemore can probably get on base at a .360-.370 clip at least- he got on at a .389 clip last year), hits for a reasonable average, can take a base (21 SB to 4 CS last year) and has some power? I’ll take that hitting first.
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I'm not arguing
just wondering more than anything. Hopefully he can keep that type of production up in the big leagues… I’m skeptical
No different....
It’s the same thing that a lot of teams run into. There are very few “true” leadoff hitters in the majors, and we’ve been missing one for a long time anyways….
I like it.
We need a left handed hitter behind Maggs. With all of his singles, it opens up a hole on the right side of the infield.
Jim's going to look at all his mystical
charts and stats and he’ll go by that. He is strictly a statistics person
Apparently, this rumor believes
that the Cubs have someone wanting to take Dontrelle and give them something they want in return. I find that fairly hard to believe. Who would take Dontrelle in trade over Bradley?
The Mets?
Maybe they’re that desperate.
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They would
Because they get rid of a cancer and drop a year of bad contract. Pay him not to play for them, I.E. Sheffield.
You know, with some good meds
Willis is gonna kick ass, wherever he goes. You watch!! He’ll back back in Marlins form to make us all eat our words
Tammy
I agree but,
no one seems to know where those good meds are…
when you're talking about anxiety
it’s hard to say what works. Some people go through many different types of medication before they find what works for them. What works for one person may not work for the next one. Takes time.
i was wondering about the whole anxiety thing
do you guys really think he has that problem, or do you think the tigers were just making something up so they didn’t have to play him and could DL him?
I Like Pie
Not allowed
The Commissioner’s Office would be all over misuse of the DL.
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Via Tim Brown
http://twitter.com/TBrownYahoo/status/6543395666
“If Bradley trade is close, it’s not to Rays.”
This could be what we’ve been waiting for for a couple days now Tigers fans. Sounds like Bradley might be moving and if it’s not the Rays my gut says Detroit. Let’s see!
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