How Arizona's Josh Byrnes Fueled the Three-Team Trade

by Ian Casselberry on Dec 9, 2009 12:15 PM EST in News Comment 27 comments

If you want to get an idea of how yesterday's three-team trade between the Detroit Tigers, Arizona Diamondbacks, and New York Yankees came together, the New York Post's Joel Sherman passes along the details he heard.

The way I heard how the Granderson trade began was that Arizona was trying to get Edwin Jackson at the GM Meetings and was told Max Scherzer was too little of a return, but felt Scherzer and Daniel Schlereth was too much. So Diamondbacks GM Josh Byrnes' first call was to Cashman because he assumed Granderson fit the Yankees' needs so ideally, and that the Yanks had resources that Detroit wanted.

That basically falls in line with what we'd heard previously, that the Tigers didn't think Scherzer alone was enough for Jackson. But it's interesting to see how one GM calls another one up with an idea that could get a deal done. We saw much the same thing last year in the three-team J.J. Putz deal, with Omar Minaya knowing he could get Franklin Gutierrez from Cleveland, which filled the centerfield need in Seattle.

(In a different article, Sherman explains that the Yankees jumped at the chance to get Curtis Granderson because they'd become quite familiar with him. Remember, it looked like the Tigers would be the Yanks' first-round playoff opponent, so they had a wealth of scouting material to consult when Granderson went on the trading block.)

Sherman also confirms what had been reported by several other outlets, that Dave Dombrowski was looking for players who either hadn't accumulated much major league service time (and a few seasons away from eligibility for salary arbitration) or were ready to play in the majors. (No three-to-four-year waits for prospects, thank you very much.)

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i have feeling

that this report will not make tigers fans happy….knowing that they could have gotten Scherzer without trading Grandy

by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 PM EST reply actions

Puke

We could have had Granderson and Scherzer? Maybe I’m crazy but I like Jackson for Scherzer a lot more than the deal that was agreed to.

by mattintoledo on Dec 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions

Yeah...

This kinda sucks.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 1:01 PM EST up reply actions

Ditto that one

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by Kurt Mensching on Dec 9, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

same here.

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by madpoopz on Dec 9, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions

Definite puts a a damper on the trade.

Bad DD.

by 13194013 on Dec 9, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions

I was previously under the assumption Scherzer was too much for Jackson.

Tigersin2010 is right, this completely changes my opinion of the trade. Schlereth, A. Jackson, and Phil Coke for Granderson? We should have done much better.

by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 12:57 PM EST reply actions

i disagree

i think Schlereth, A. Jackson, and Phil Coke for Granderson is SOLID

by Tigersin2010 on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions

Two relief pitchers

And an ok CF. Again- somebody needs to TAKE A LOOK AT THE F*CKING ORG CHART. NO MORE RELIEF PROSPECTS.

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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions

Hopefully the market is hungry for relief in 2011

when we have massive holes to fill.

by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

Deal all the established relievers under 25 at that point

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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

I was screaming that all day yesterday at people who thought that Coke was a great idea!

by baum on Dec 9, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions

Obviously Grandy was leaving...

whether it be for Scherzer or someone else. Hindsight and all that.

by rook34 on Dec 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions

I’m not sure why everyone sees Coke as a releiver rather than a starter, just because that was his role last year—he was a starter in the minors.

by rea on Dec 9, 2009 1:11 PM EST reply actions

Because from everything I’ve read, he only has two pitches. Fastball, slider.

by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions

And his stuff plays well out of the 'pen

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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

I'm just going to say this:

Not thinking Max Scherzer-for-Edwin-Jackson is not a good return on the Tigers part is even WORSE than trading Curtis Granderson in the first place.

That really, really concerns me. I seriously have doubts about the Tigers talent evaluation at this point.

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by Mike Rogers on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM EST reply actions

I'm glad everyone else is having the same reaction as me

Based on what you all told me, a straight swap of Jackson and Scherzer would’ve been fine. So if you look at it as Scherzer and Schlereth for EJ and A. Jackson and Phil Coke for Granderson, well, that’s a nice return on Jackson but I feel a bit ripped off as far as Grandy is concerned.

And if the Tigers decided to lower their asking price on Granderson, why not just go back to the original plan of Scherzer for Jackson? I’m confused.

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by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions

I don't think the trade has really hit me yet.

I might cry during the press conference. Curtis :(

by rcpratt on Dec 9, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions

Per ESPN, about A-Jax

jcrasnick:
More than one scout agrees with the premise that Detroit’s new CF, Austin Jackson, is sort of a poor man’s Adam Jones.

Honestly, that doesn’t bother me at all. Adam Jones is a nice player, who has gone the route of a Curtis Granderson. He can hit, good speed and as time has gone on he’s gained power. As long as I’m hearing Adam Jones and not Carlos Gomez, I’m happy

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by KidRick48 on Dec 9, 2009 6:16 PM EST reply actions