Tigers Working on Another Threesome to Get Pierre?
by Ian Casselberry on Dec 9, 2009 2:01 PM EST
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PrintAre the Detroit Tigers trying to put another three-team trade together? According to Jon Paul Morosi, the Tigers are talking to the Los Angeles Dodgers about outfielder Juan Pierre.
But the Dodgers want a pitcher in return. And though Dontrelle Willis, Nate Robertson, or Jeremy Bonderman are due to make similar money than Pierre (who's owed $18.5 million on the remaining two years of his contract), it's likely that the Dodgers aren't interested in adding either questionable pitcher.
So the Tigers would have to get a pitcher the Dodgers like. Enter Carlos Guillen. Could Detroit use him to get a pitcher suitable to the Dodgers' preference, and then trade him for Pierre?
As we said in today's earlier post about trading Guillen, this sounds like the wishiest of wishful thinking. Is there another team interested enough in Guillen to give up a decent major league pitcher? Perhaps, if that team has a chance to unload a bad contract. (Unfortunately, the Tigers probably fit that category better than anyone else.)
Pierre could presumably give the Tigers the leadoff hitter they've lacked, and bring some much needed speed. This season, he batted .308/.365/.392 with 30 stolen bases. He could also provide some insurance for Austin Jackson, in case he's not ready to be the full-time centerfielder to begin next season. (If he's not, that should go over well with Tigers fans.)
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Granderson for junk and now JUAN PIERRE? No. No. No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no.
I am literally as opposed to this as I am in favor of bringing Milton Bradley to Detroit.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
Well
If we could have had Jackson for Scherzer straight up, I’d say Granderson for Jackson/Coke/Scherleith is junk.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
Agreed.
The Granderson trade hurts because we all liked him as a person so darn much.
But we got a bunch of good talent in return. On the baseball side of things, I think we even came out a smidge ahead.
couldn't have said it any better
people are pissed because Grandy is an amazing individual.
To me....
It seems that people are talking about the personality of Granderson than the baseball player. I loved Granderson just as much as the last guy, but I view this trade as a positive. This team was JUST good enough to lead the division all season, but they were the most disappointing 1st place team I can ever think of. With that, some changes needed to be made to make this team better. In order to get better you have to trade your better players. You can trade Ordonez and Robertson and expect to get the same package deal, as Granderson/Jackson got.
Now, to the point of this rant. I think Pierre would be a solid addition, especially if they depart with Guillen. He has soild speed, hit .308, and all other numbers are pretty compairable to Grandy’s except HRs.
I’m as opposed to this deal as I am in favor of … well something that i’m really in favor of. Man, I’m lame today.
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Jackson/Coke/Scherleith
Does not impress.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
I disagree Coke played pretty good...
And we have yet to see Jackson in the Majors…
Just give it time before you label a prospect as “junk”.
they are not junk
however they’re not enough to justify trading granderson, that’s for sure.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 9, 2009 8:35 PM EST up reply actions
The information about the possiblity for E. Jackson for Scherzer definitely put a damper on the trade.
DD disappointed me more than the Washburn deal and that is something I didn’t think would happen for another year or two.
Can we stop swarming that rumor please?
A New York Post reporter mentioned it. Once. Gee, you guys think the Post might be trying to twist the knife a bit? Sure as hell seems to be working because I’ve heard it in comments here more than I’ve heard it repeated by any actual reporter or anyone with a damn source behind it.
2100 Woodward and Twitter
by john.kmiecik on Dec 10, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I just don't know how I feel about Pierre
He’s just not all that incredible of a player. He may thrive in a triples ballpark but I honestly don’t know. I’m impartial, it just better be a smart move.
I am equally glad that i got it in on Twitter AND this thread first. Just to, you know, drive home the point.
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Another thought
If we can get a decent major league pitcher for Guillen, why the hell don’t we just keep him?
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
Or...
trade the decent major league pitcher for something other than 18 million dollars of crap.
by TonyOrlando78 on Dec 9, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions
I already have Dodger fan friends taunting me about the "fire sale"
please do not add fuel to that fire.
Fine
Tell them that since their owner is so broke, that they’re going to be giving us Manny for Casper Wells.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
That's okay
When I got to work yesterday, the pharmacy’s Red Sox fan (who is pretty much the only one there I can talk baseball with) immediately came up to me and asked, “How could the Tigers be so stupid?” The pharmacy’s Yankees fan didn’t know about the deal (and she cares more about football anyways)
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
We need to sign Scott Podsednik. He eats us up all the time with the Sox. He’ll be cheap, and can lead off and play LF/CF for us
I think the only way we get an OF
is if unload salary. we wont sign one…
Pods is a white Juan Pierre
Do not want. If they’re going to go out and sign a FA outfielder I’d prefer Mike Cameron or Marlon Byrd.
http://www.fromthecopa.blogspot.com
by rock n rye on Dec 9, 2009 2:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
Pods on the bases from 07-09: +4.37 runs
Pierre on the bases from 07-09: +10.62 runs
Data’s from Baseball Prospectus and I’m removing the stolen base runs because that’s already in Fangraphs wOBA so it’s just what I do. Pierre’s numbers are inflated by a CRAZY +12 runs on the bases in 2007, so if you want, take that out (he had about 8 runs on the bases in 2007 if you take out SB/CS). Pods numbers are inflated by 3.6 of it from 2009.
So if you take out the 8 runs from Pierre because of a crazy 2007 and then take out the 3.6 from Pods for his 2009 and you’re looking at a very, very negligible difference on the bases. I’d call them equals.
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Um...no.
I put on a happy face for the Granderson deal. I made that all work out in my head.
But if they go out and get Juan Pierre’s overrated, low OBP ass, I’m pushing DD into an wood chipper.
http://designaterobertson.blogspot.com
On ESPN
Nick Pietruszkiewicz:
Jim Leyland just held court, and of course last year’s collapse down the stretch came up: “I think in a lot of ways, we blew it. But people forget to give Minnesota credit. You have to give a team credit for going 20-4 down the stretch.”
While Leyland did not want to comment on the Granderson deal since it still is not yet official, he did talk about the center fielder: “Curtis Granderson is one of the things in baseball that is all good. He’s everything good about baseball.”
Nice words from Leyland on Curtis, but I hate not taking some of the blame for the collapse. Not to get off topic of course, but I figured while news is kind of slow this was worth posting.
The artist formerly known as Granderson28
thanks
i agree with everything jim said.
the tigers SHOULD have won 2 out of 3 the last weekend, but 20-4 down the stretch is amazing…..
Grandy is a lot to give up
lets just hope that DD can work out some magic to unload some of the bad contracts (Willis, Roberson, Guillen, Bonderman, Ordonez) soon. 3 team deal bringing Pierre & 2 prospects to Detroit and sending Seay & Guillen to LA with Detroit sending Ordonez & Willis to Chigago for Bradley & a prospect. Can it work?
chicago is not going to take ordonez and willis
also, LA wants a SP, not RP.
also, $$$ doesn’t work out
If the plan is really to use
Jackson as the as the starting CF’er than cant he match Pierre’s three year average of 1 win over replacement? And despite Guillen being a quesrion mark in LF he averaged 2 wins over the last three years including last year when he was playing with a bum shoulder … this makes no sense …
Do. Not. Want.
Juan Pierre sucks. He’s a below-average outfielder, with only 2 100+ OPS seasons, will be 32 next year, and is overpaid big time.
Painfully, I just got a Facebook ad advertising "40% off Granderson Fatheads"
Granted, those things are creepy, but…
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
You might get it even cheaper
If he’s still wearing the Old English D.
I keep trying to picture him in pinstripes and it just doesn’t work for me.
No more sinister players
WTF—trade Guillen? I see the reasoning behind this move—after all, Guillen can bat left-handed, and we don’t wanty anyone like that on our team, I guess.
Crazy thoughts
Bad contract swaps
Willis for Bradley
Robertson for Pierre (becomes our 4th OF)
Maggs for Lowe- gives the Braves a veteran bat and bails them out of that contract
RF Bradley, LF Guillen, CF Jackson, Raburn gets 500 PA giving Bradley and Guillen time at DH. Rotation would be Verlander/Scherzer/Porcello/Lowe/Bonderman with Galaraga stepping in to spot start in case of injury or fatigue. This is totally unrealistic, but would be really epic.
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
No offense, but when I make unrealistic trades in my head, I set my sights higher :-)
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
Bad contract swaps… they’re at least theoretically possible. Would only take a couple beers in one of those bars…
President, Vice President and Secretary of the Casey Crosby Fanclub.
by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
Hahahahaha
Hey, a few more of those beers and you may have a steal on your hands, even.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
I still think we need Magglio.
But I’ve joined your Bradley bandwagon, since it could actually save us money this year. I posted this in your fanshot: Bradley from June through August: .288/.423/.425. I think he and Maggs could be a great 2-3 combination.
How stupid is Dumbo, really?
You gotta be kidding…
Why not trade Willie Horton to Boston for the Red Chair over Williamsburg?
Al Kaline to Baltimore for some Energizer Alkaline batteries…
Tiger Stadium’s urinals for some Yankee Stadium infield dirt?
Two All Stars under 30 for four nobodies...
Granderson and Jackson were worth a heck of a lot more than herkyjerk Scherzer and the three never-to-bes.
Ilitch can’t cut it… greedy phuque needs a swirlee, make that rug of his curl up and die.
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