Astros to sign Brandon Lyon
Pity. He was probably my first choice out of all the (realistic) closer options, but it appears the closer/setup market is a lot more lucrative than MLB Trade Rumors thought it would be and Lyon's season was just "that" good.
The Tigers do net a supplemental pick for him, though. Maybe they'll spend it on a promising college SS or third baseman.
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I'll be watching to see what he gets.
He was reportedly asking for 9 million over two years. Not terribly demanding, and only a slight raise over what we paid him last year.
I was thinking the same thing
Some of the media folks were trying to portray it as excessive, but his contract with us was $4.25 million, and you could say he deserved a raise for doing such a good job this year. That said, I would think we’d have a better shot at contending than Houston.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Rosenthal's saying the deal 3 years and 15 million.
I think that answers why we didn’t sign him. That third year seems risky.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oops
Redundant post. I was so busy posting my own update I neglected to notice yours. Apologies.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 11:41 PM EST up reply actions
Our most recent sandwich pick was for Jamie Walker.
Hopefully we can do better than Brandon Hamilton this time.
Update
Ken Rosenthal is reporting an offer (not necessarily from Houston) of 3 years, $15 million. That is probably one more year than the Tigers would’ve been willing to give him, since one of Perry/Weinhardt/Sattlewhite/Schlereth/Zumaya/other names I don’t know is expected to be ready by then.
Phillies fans already have to deal with Lidge
To have Lidge AND Rodney? They better stop eating cheesesteaks and start exercising cuz their hearts are gonna need to be in top shape once the season begins.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
if that's what Lyon could get, more power to him
The Tigers at this point have to really be in the thought process of doing the right moves for 2011 and beyond. If they help in 2010, great. But next season really has to be secondary. And to me, next season could be useful for finding which of the internal closer candidates can step up and do the job in the future so the team can spend its money on other positions next offseason.
+1
Buy low on JJ Putz if you must have a closer. But remember- our bullpen in 2011 is going to be one of the best ever. OR ELSE.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
Screw it then
We don’t need no stinkin closer.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
and I know I said that the Tigers need to address the closer...
but they might as well address it internally at this point. We’re doing it all over the place on the field now, why should BP roles be any different.
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It all makes sense, Kurt...
but having next season as nothing more than audition sessions reminds me way too much of most of the last 25 years of Tiger baseball.
Except
This time the prospects don’t suck.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 9, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Boy, I hope not.
I just looked at the “lineup” again. I simply don’t know where the runs will come from. Miggy may be walked 200 times.
You don't need runs
If the other team can’t score.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 1:00 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I was trying to do the figuring myself
Best case scenario is that Verlander can win 20 games, Porcello and Scherzer each account for 15. That’s 50 right there. Bonderman, if he’s healthy and effective, could probably get at least 12. That makes 72. And you’d think the combination of the fifth starter and the bullpen could net us 10 more wins at least. There’s your winning record.
Again, best case scenario, and the individual lines themselves are unlikely. But 85-86 wins as a team is certainly not impossible, and that may be enough.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
And by the way...
I’ve seen Miggy get a base hit off an intentional ball before ;-)
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 11:26 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Came within one game of the division this year
While barely scoring any runs
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by john.kmiecik on Dec 10, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
when you've loaded up on young late-innings pitchers
You just have to learn to trust them.
by Kurt Mensching on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
I think closer by committee (based on the matchups) would be entertaining.
You may not be necessarily advocating that, but that’s how I interpreted it.
by StringTheory on Dec 9, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Jason Beck said yesterday that the Tigers still want a veteran closer
But regardless, I don’t think 2010 has to be a wash at all. On the contrary, I think we can do well with what we have. Sure, we’d have to have some things go right, but given the weakness of the division, I don’t see why we have to count ourselves out right now, especially with the potential that our pitching staff has. And I don’t think we need to make big, splashy moves to contend. And besides, I love proving those national so-called “experts” wrong.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 9, 2009 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
I did say certain things that went wrong in 2009 would have to go right in 2010
…but Inge looked like he was onto something before the knee injury occured, for example. If he can build on that, if Laird can hit closer to his career average of .247, if Maggs is productive all year, if Sizemore hits like the BYB prospect experts say he will…Yes, it would have to be a “perfect storm” of sorts (maybe not that extreme), but it is possible.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
The Tigers didn't exactly light it up offensively last year.
We’re going to score by advancing runners home. Easy peasy lemon squeezey.
small ball.
simple. A little harder without Polly, but Maggs seems to have no problem not hitting home runs.
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Now, according to Rosenthal again,
we’re stepping up our efforts for Gregg in the wake of this signing. Cringe.
When we first acquired Miggy, I delved into the MLB.tv archives and watched a lot of Marlins games to "scout" him
And that means I saw quite a bit of Kevin Gregg. He’s quite Rodney-like, although Rodney seems to be blessed with a bit more luck. Of course, most Tigers fans will remember Gregg as the guy who gave up Ryan Raburn’s walk-off home run in June.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Saw a lot of him here in Chicago.
Couldn’t handle the Cubdom Monster at all. Perhaps a lower pressure situation might agree with him.
Well, they may not be Cubs fans, but Tiger fans are known to be a little trigger-happy themselves
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Guilty.
My biggest fear is this: We win 72 games in 2010. We draw 2 million fans. Therefore, we spend no money next offseason. Death spiral. JV is off to Boston.
Everyone keeps saying we will have all this money to spend next year. What’s the guarantee we spend money next offseason, particularly when we take the upcoming attendance beating? I think everyone is way underestimating the fact that attendance is going to absolutely tank.
2 million is still quite a bit.
You might have to drastically increase your pessimistic attendance outlook in order to hinder 2011 spending.
by StringTheory on Dec 10, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
Okay, maybe 2 million isn't.
It would put us between San Diego and Arizona.
by StringTheory on Dec 10, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Unless we get off to a great start...
I just don’t see anyone coming to watch this team. I hope I’m wrong.
I'll come
It may be only two games (as long as the BYB meetup is still on), but I’ll do what I can.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'll come home for one game.
Plus the meetup. But a lot of people won’t come support a team that’s not competitive, particularly one that no longer has much of a personality.
We still have Inge and JV
They’ve definitely got personalities. In fact, I always thought of Inge as having the most personality on the team. He seems like a fun person.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:39 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking the important milestone we reached
last year was 2 million. But it was 3 million. We have might to plan about 20 BYB get-togethers to boost the number a little.
by StringTheory on Dec 10, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Either that, or start buying a lot more pizza
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
I can do this...
I have yet to meat a pizza I didn’t like.
wait I lied. there was that vegetable pizza. Honestly, broccoli on a pizza?
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That and the fact that I find it hard to believe Mike Illitch would slash the payroll THAT much
With the three-way trade that sent Curtis Granderson to the Yankees and Edwin Jackson to the Diamondbacks, the Tigers now have just $33 million committed to their 2011 payroll. That means that even if they want to cut their overall spending to the $80 million range (it’s far too early to know if that will be the number), they would have $30-40 million to spend for new players.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
It just occured to me...
The Astros just traded for Matt Lindstrom earlier today (In case you’re unfamiliar with Matt Lindstrom, he’s essentially the Joel Zumaya of the National League-both in terms of stuff and in terms of inability to stay healthy). Lindstrom (when he was healthy) had been closing games for Florida. He and Lyon are expected to compete for the closer’s job. Given that, this deal makes even less sense for Houston. Don’t get me wrong, I like Lyon, but still…
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions
Well this stinks
But congrats to Lyon, he pitched very well for us and came to Detroit to prove he should have the opportunity to close and it looks like he’ll be given the opportunity to at least compete for the job in Houston. I’ll miss the SeayLyon combo though.
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Yes, I was thinking of that myself, considering that Seay is likely to be traded/non-tendered
Shall we retire the picture?
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
This off-season is costing the group here all their best visual aids.
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We'll find more
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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions
I really hoping we can come up with good nicknames/images for Scherzer and Schlereth during the season
Their real names are hard to type and they sound really similar.
Though “Scherzer & Schlereth” sounds like it should be the name of a sportsradio talk show.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Extremely disappointed
Oh well. I didn’t like him at the beginning of the season, but he grew on me over time. Good luck. I read above 15mm over 3 years. He got a great deal. He would have never gotten that here. ever.
Damn...
SeayLyon is no more.
I certainly hope we can find someone else to close as well as Lyon would have.
I don't have a signature.
Other than a closer . . .
This team is shaping up to have one of the stronger bullpens around. A veteran closer would be nice, but not essential. What they really need is a decent l-handed hitter.
Closer
Jason Beck reports that the Tigers feel Zumaya is ready to close (as long as he stays healthy).
I say let someone earn the job...
he’s pitched so little since ’06 he might as well still be a rookie.
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I'm not sure I completely agree
Sure he’s got the stuff but does he have the mentality? That’s all that worries me, has he matured because of age and injury? Or is he just a fireballer just trying to blow it by guys?
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worse yet...
does he still think he has the same fireball because he aint gonna be hittin’ no 102, that’s for sure.
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I'll withhold judgement on his velocity until spring training
Zumaya’s very stubborn but if they got JV to learn to pitch and not just throw (sorry, Justin), they’ve got a chance at getting it through Zoom’s thick skull as well.
And if that happens, hopefully he’ll stay healthy long enough so that when he finally goes down again someone else will be all ready to step in.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's hurt himself to much to ever hit above 100 again....
but you’re right. he’s still young and can heal up if he takes care of himself (no rockband/guitarhero/kegstands). Hopefully Rick Knapp can do to Zuma what he did to JV.
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I think he can hit 100mph
it’s his control that concerns me.
by Detroitchik on Dec 10, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not an expert on surgical procedures, but from what I've read, the last surgery wasn't THAT invasive
At least, it’s a lot less invasive than completely rebuilding his shoulder.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 11:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but...
he’s had more than one surgery on his shoulder and has never managed to come back from any of them up to this point except for a small stint.
I’m not saying he’s gonna lose everything but I don’t think rearing back and throwing at 100 is gonna be his lifeline. It all reality it’s not necessarily a bad thing.
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no matter what Zoom Zoom says
he’s fascinated with the radar gun. It’s like a toy to him. He said last time he wasn’t concerned about throwing 100mph, but inside of 2 weeks he was doing it. Not too long after that he was on the DL again.
by Detroitchik on Dec 10, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
Dombrowski says
touch your nose.
(and thank god. The only think I’m gonna miss about the guy is the Rodneycoaster girl.)
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We Are The Knights Who Say NI..
I’m guessing of Seay goes, Ni will fill in as our “specialist”..
I know we don’t have a ton of money to spend, but how about bringing in Vlad to DH/RF for us? He was AMAZING downthe stretch for Anaheim.. and I don’t think he’d pull a huge deal.
We’ve gotta have some sort of protection for Cabby, right?
man, i just LOVE losing players that are good for the team
brb, sleeping pills and whiskey
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I liked Brandon Lyon.
But not enough to overpay him something fierce. Bullpen arms just aren’t worth that sort of money in my eyes – especially for a team that has a GM that loves to acquire bullpen arms. Cheaper options are good for average bullpen guys (which Lyon ends up being).
Exactly
Our entire bullpen might land up earning the major league minimum next year- do you realize how cool that is?
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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Look no further than the A's.
(Also, please choose to ignore Wuertz to help make my point).
by StringTheory on Dec 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
We'll have to ignore Miner/Seay
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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Seay was going to be traded?
Though I’m not sure why any team would give up a player for him if the general consensus is that the Tigers are just gonna non-tender him anyways.
by SabreRoseTiger on Dec 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
I say keep him to close and flip him next year when he has 30+ saves.
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by David Tokarz on Dec 10, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
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