Did Zach Miner Blow His Chance Today?
Apparently, Zach Miner didn't get the memo that candidates for the fifth spot in the starting rotation need to begin pitching better. (Unless your name is Rick Porcello.)
With the job still presumably there for the taking, as neither Dontrelle Willis nor Nate Robertson show a capability to win it, Miner had a chance to show Jim Leyland he should still be considered a viable candidate for the position. If that was indeed the circumstance, and Leyland's recent remarks would seem to say that it is, Miner fumbled the opportunity this afternoon against the St. Louis Cardinals.
In three innings of work today, Miner gave up three runs and seven hits. Four of those hits were for extra bases; three doubles and one home run. On the bright side, Miner didn't walk anyone (definitely a plus) and struck out two batters. But it was hardly the sort of outing that might ease down the throttle on The Rick Porcello Bandwagon.
But maybe it wouldn't have mattered how Miner pitched today. As Kurt posted in the comments of our previous post, Leyland may have already decided that Miner is ticketed for the bullpen. Here's the quote from Alden Gonzalez (filling in for Jason Beck on the MLB.com Tigers beat):
"I think he needs to maybe prepare himself for relief. I'm not talking necessarily about right now. ... We know he can start -- we think he can start and do a decent job. He hasn't shown for sure that he can relieve as effective as he should. So he needs to do that. ... In his case, I think there will always be a situation where somebody may be looking for a little bit more of an edge from the starter, so he needs to learn how to make the adjustments to pitch out of the bullpen."
This is pretty consistent with how Leyland has viewed Miner over the past couple of seasons, however. Whether it's because he's enamored with a sinkerball out of the bullpen or perhaps a contract status that allows the Tigers to use him in a swing role, Leyland's never seemed too keen on Miner as a starter.
However, with the tumultuous performance of the other fifth starter candidates, along with the presumed desire to keep Porcello on a conventional timetable in the minors, there was an opportunity to be seized. Perhaps there still is, but both time ( three-and-a-half weeks remain in Spring Training) and Leyland's patience appear to be running out.
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Interesting article on 5th starters
I was looking for something like this in regards to 2008, but the best I could find using Google-fu is this Sporting News article based on the 2007 season.
Basically, the 5th starters on every team suck. I think if the Tigers want to keep Porcello in the minors (for a little while at least), Miner is good enough to get us through until he’s ready.
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The problem is we can’t assume we don’t have two or three number five starters. We also can’t be too sure our number one and two will pitch like those roles either.
by mattintoledo on Mar 10, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
EXACTLY!!
That’s what I’ve been saying to people. Who cares who the fifth starter is going to be if every spot is weak? Right now, I don’t see anyone close to a sure thing in the rotation. I think the ace, arguably, is Galarraga. He has pitched well for Venezuela and was good last year. Verlander is coming off of a rough season, Bonderman has yet to do anything since June, there is no fifth starter and Edwin Jackson is new to the club.
Enough with this fifth starter talk until the first four are figured out. I smell 100 losses. Then again, I’m a pessimist.
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by spotstarters on Mar 10, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
all the more reason...
to pick the best guy for the 5th spot if everyone else 1-4 is questionable.
by Detroit4lyfe on Mar 10, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, every team needs an ace
Who’s it gonna be? So far, I haven’t seen any of them look like an ace ’cept for RP.
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First of all, the Tigers are not gonna lose 100 games. For anyone who truly believes that, I have waterfront property in the Mojave Desert you might be interested in. With all that went wrong last season, Detroit lost 88 games.
Second, it was one bad start by Miner. Granted, yesterday was a chance to show he can handle the #5 spot in the rotation and he didn’t seize it, but if Leyland has already determined Miner is gonna be in the bullpen, then what difference does it make?
Bottom line: If the Tigers feel Porcello needs a little more work in the minors, then Nate Robertson will probably be the #5 starter. If the Tigers feel Porcello is ready right now, then Rick is the #5 starter.
What's the point?
If Porcello is better than Robertson and the Tigers look like they’re going to win 85 games then I think you let Rick be a part of the rotation. However, if the Tigers look more like an 85-95 loss team then what’s the point of rushing a guy like Porcello? That’s my point.
If the Tigers rotation is a mess from spots 1-4, then why go nuts about the fifth spot?
Also, if I told you the Tigers were going to lose 88 games at this point last year would you have offered up that same lake front property? I bet you would have.
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by spotstarters on Mar 11, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
it's important to remember, THIS IS SPRING TRAINING
http://baybridgebaseball.com/2009/02/play-ball/
The problem is not simply that the players don’t care, it’s the way the games are played. The pitchers generally don’t use any sort of game-like strategy against the hitters. They just throw what they want to work on. Doesn’t matter who’s hitting.
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If you’re asking whether Porcello is better than Robertson, I would hope you already know the answer to that…
To be honest, I would rather the Tigers DONT rush Porcello, but they may not have a choice. I don’t see anyone else in the Detroit rotation lighting it up this spring.
Good point about the lake front property by the way… and I don’t think anyone is going nuts about the #5 spot. It’s just Porcello has shown more than Nate, Dontrelle or Zach up to this point.
And Mack, I realize it’s only spring training and perhaps things will start to look up before we get to April 6, but I don’t want to be sitting here Opening Night and hear people saying “well it’s only one game” and then end up sitting at 0-10 ten games into the season.

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