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"It's impossible to look back at Fidrych's remarkable 1976 -- knowing what we know now about pitch counts and such things -- and not cringe at the way manager Ralph Houk abused him. Of course, nobody was counting pitches in 1976, but even so it's hard to believe a manager would allow a rookie to throw five extra-inning games. Five! Or how about this stretch: From July 29th to August 29th, The Bird threw a nine-inning game, a seven-inning game, a nine-inning game, another nine-inning game, another nine-inning game, a 10-inning game, a nine-inning game and an 11 1/3 inning game -- each one on three-days rest. Imagine that: Fidrych threw 73 1/3 innings and seven complete games in a month.

To give you a comparison, K-Rod threw 68 1/3 innings all last year.

To give you a comparison, Johan Santana has thrown nine complete games in his career."

From Joe Posnanski's tribute to Mark Fidrych for SI.com

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I really liked Joe Poz’s tribute, but I liked yours more because it comes from the heart of a Tigers fan, not some Royal lover :)

by Packey on Apr 14, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

The pitch counts don't really matter

When I interviewed Fidrych as a child, he didn’t blame Houk for overusing him (what man with class would?). He told me that he threw differently after he injured his knee goofing around in spring training, which altered his delivery and then injured his shoulder.

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by toledomudhen on Apr 15, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Pitch count

I agree w/tmh…
His injury, from all accounts, was a result of the knee…not his use. Couple it with the fact that Firych was not exactly the “peak” of physical fitness nor mechanically sound, its no wonder he suffered injury with the change in his delivery.
IMHO, there is way too much emphasis on pitch counts and use. So many of the old timers threw huge numbers of innings: Carlton, Ryan, Niekro, Palmer, Morris, Blyleven and all the generations before them. The Asian pitchers still do as Dice K, for example, came up throwing 200+ pitches per game.
Yet in this country, the “accepted” practice is to extremely limit throwing/innings/pitches, ever since Billy Martin’s young A’s rotation in the early 80’s. Anecdotally, I haven’t seen any real decline in injuries as a result. In fact, I would argue its been worse in some cases.
Evidence: http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/IP_leagues.shtml
No manager will challenge the “norm,” because he’d be blamed for any resulting problems.
Let’s face it, pitching is an unnatural motion and one has to be lucky and pretty sound to avoid problems over the years, but I have yet to see any real research that says the 5 man rotation and limiting guys to less than 250 IP is preventing injury, and in some cases, I would say its contributing to the problems because guys are NOT strong enough for the burden they’re given. One needs to only look at Bonderman or Zumaya from our roster to see how the coddling has NOT helped.

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by rings on Apr 15, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Bonderman or Zumaya?
One needs to only look at Bonderman or Zumaya from our roster to see how the coddling has NOT helped.

Strange examples, because both of them are recovering from non-baseball-related problems—Bonderman’s blood clot , and Zumaya’s accident evacuating his father’s home due to wildfires

by rea on Apr 15, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Strange?

My point on Bonderman is that he’s NEVER made it through a full season healthy – this blood clot from last year is only the latest – and Zumaya has had multiple injuries, including the “Guitar Hero,” broken finger, shoulder soreness, the ATV accident/boxes injury that has not recovered, etc.

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by rings on Apr 16, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

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